Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

ISO · Post Post #12450 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:15 pm

freezing pretty clearly says any abilities not any superpowers..... if you're town are you literally capable of stopping your tunnel bullshit and working with me?

Sando · Post Post #12451 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:16 pm

In post 12448, the worst wrote:uh sorry freezing yourself?

Ask the mod "what happens with freezing if x" and see what happens.

ISO · Post Post #12452 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:20 pm

what happens with freezing if x?
I'm really not following

Sando · Post Post #12453 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:21 pm

In post 12452, the worst wrote:what happens with freezing if x?
I'm really not following

One sec, waiting on mod.

I mean the plan still fails horribly, but lets see if the mod will confscum you for me

Sando · Post Post #12454 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:22 pm

Spoiler: Day 1 Lynch

Spoiler: Day 2 Lynch

Spoiler: Day 3 Lynch

Spoiler: Day 4 Lynch

Spoiler: Day 5 Lynch

Spoiler: Day 6 Lynch

Ok so:
the worst - Lynched scum D1, lynched town D2, did not scum lynch D3, lynched town D4, did not town lynch D5, lynched town D6
Sando - Lynched scum D1, did not lynch town D2, lynched scum D3, did not lynch town D4, did not lynch town D5, lynched town D6
Creature - Lynched scum D1 (pre replace), did not lynch town D2, did not lynch scum D3, did not lynch town D4, lynched town D5, did not lynch town D6
Gamma - Did not lynch scum D1, lynched town D2, lynched scum D3, did not lynch town D4, did not lynch town D5, did not lynch town D6

Lynches	Scum(2)	Town(4)
the worst	1	3
Sando	2	1
Creature	1	1
Gamma	1	1

Of note:
Titus was the counter-lynch to 129 on D1
Sando was the counter-lynch to Mylo on D2 (led by FA, failed primarily due to time)
Sando was the counter-lynch to Titus on D3 (led by Titus, the worst put Sando to L-3 nakedly)
The worst has literally only naked voted, he's NEVER given coherent reasoning for his votes before today. Even yesterday his defence of Tora wasn't coherent, just flat out statement of town-Tora and refusal to consider mechanics.
The worst says Sando is town D2 and says Titus is town in a roundabout way (says Sando is TvTing, Sando was antagonising Titus)
The worst completely 180s and naked votes Sando D3 to put him to L-3 (Titus is the CW)
The worst suggests the bomb-everything plan, which he works up with Math - this was D4, when Mathblade was leader...
Creature was early on the 129 wagon (this was before Creature replaced in)
Creature very briefly was on Sando before getting onto the Mylo wagon, before coming back to Sando, before trying to hammer Mylo
Creature basically lurked all D3, don't think he ever voted
Creature basically flops around D4 between Hebichan and the worst, until finally getting the hebichan lynch on D5
Gamma basically naked voted Titus, although followed with a sheep of Sando
Both Gamma and the worst claimed to not vote for leader N1, which was when Titus won the leader vote
Gamma basically tunnelled Titus D2, spent time wanting Sando lynched, and fell onto Mylo once time was up
Gamma put the Sando wagon to L-2 on D3
Gamma went from tunnelling Titus D2 to scumreading Sando over Titus (and them never being partners) D3, and actively defended Titus in the Sando v Titus dustup 6205 and 6212 before begrudgingly voting Titus
Gamma pushed/voted Toog most of D4 but unvoted to sort things out

Spoiler: Just some fun the worst progression on Creature

ISO · Post Post #12455 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:23 pm

this is exhausting.

ISO · Post Post #12456 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:24 pm

12454 is a good case for scum!you

I have been pro wagon and pro lynch and have continuously offered my thoughts on reading players when I had them

you've been hyperfocused on mechanics and avoided town mislynches while being set up as a deepwolf

:S

Sando · Post Post #12457 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:25 pm

In post 12456, the worst wrote:12454 is a good case for scum!you

I have been pro wagon and pro lynch and have continuously offered my thoughts on reading players when I had them

you've been hyperfocused on mechanics and avoided town mislynches while being set up as a deepwolf

Just you wait

Sando · Post Post #12458 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:25 pm

Ok so why TW is scum:

Spoiler: Progression on Sando

In post 664, the worst wrote:hmm of those who've really struck me
Sando obvtown
you cerb fine

In post 3478, the worst wrote:I'm having a hard time sorting Hebichan rn and I think I want some shiny shiny flips.

I still like Sando for town and feel like all the crap hurricanes he's leaped into just feel like t/t gameplay related shenanigans. either he's town or he's scum who's intentionally seeking out gameplay related fights to get into with people to make it look like he keeps getting involved in t/t shitfights anddddd out of the two I feel like its 5he Yorker

In post 4860, the worst wrote:VOTE: Sando

my brain feels like its full of nails

pedit: too much information

Yes, this is literally the next post referencing me

In post 4885, the worst wrote:
In post 4879, Sando wrote:
In post 4875, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4873, Sando wrote:Duckling is scum here btw, and that vote was disgustingly obvious there buddy
why is worst's vote scummy but not mine?
Iso both of you, ctrl-F "Sando" and it's really, really fucking obvious
oh are my reads not allowed to change

fuck my bad, I might be on the wrong forum

Doesn't actually say WHY or WHEN they changed

In post 4987, the worst wrote:
In post 4981, Sando wrote:
In post 4979, the worst wrote:maybe? idrc to look

why's that?
Lol, claiming you're lynchbait with 0 votes ever is pretty much the definition of troll

Also I've called 1 of the 7 votes on me opportunistically scum, funnily enough it's the person I know best on the player base.
ya but I think you've seen and heard enough about me that you shouldn't.....be jumping to the assumption that i'm scum here? like i can't find any way to parse why you have arrived at the conclusion that you believe i'm aligned with the mafia lmao

Still hasn't explained his changed read to Sando by this point

In post 5030, the worst wrote:I feel bad bc like I feel like Sando's actual reads on other players should be more advanced by now considering he seems like he's really really into this game but by the same token I don't really know where else to vote so I'm kinda still voting Sando because my head is stuck in a plastic bag.

Literally the first hint of a case against me, this is my post articulating case against him btw:

In post 5006, Sando wrote:VOTE: the worst

I can't see any lynch but me going through unless something comes out of left field, so I'll make this super easy for town to see tomorrow.

Duckling doesn't coast through games like he has and not engage with people
The idea that because other people have voted me he shouldn't have to post reasoning is pretty lol
Duckling has played with me quite a bit on open-queues, he doesn't naked vote me out of no-where and play dumb like this

The true paranoid part of me also notes that the D2 push on me was while I happened to be overseas and couldn't read/respond to anything. Only one person on site knew that definitively, duckling.

In post 5929, the worst wrote:
In post 5719, Frozen Angel wrote:I really like sando's vote that is on the worst. the worst was scetchy as fuck back then.
creepy post

Suddenly changes on me, yep, still no reasoning:

In post 6003, the worst wrote:Sando go have a squizz at open 733 if you're bored (just finished, I was scum and it was a short game).... I actually think you're wrong!town here but your idea of how I approach a game as scum is off point

In post 6126, the worst wrote:zMuff am I completely wrong on FA and Titus here?

my only interactions with both of them felt isolating and like they were utterly self serving and they both keep posting tonnes of crap I can't parse. I'm at a point where I actually can't decide if they're both scum shitting up the thread or if their playstyles are just rubbing me the wrong way

Sando I still feel is town who is just carried away and playing worse than he usually does but the quantity>quality is real af

FINALLY GET AN ANSWER:

In post 6137, the worst wrote:
In post 6135, Sando wrote:
In post 6126, the worst wrote:Sando I still feel is town who is just carried away and playing worse than he usually does but the quantity>quality is real af
You've still never actually posted a reason for your vote on me. You got called out for it and now you've backed off and want people to forget it.

pedit: If I'm right about my paranoia D2 so help me fucking god dude...
You didn't feel lucid enough. Everything I read from you was going on about mechanics and crap and I know that's a strength of yours but it is never alignment indicative. I poked the bear and hey guess what you're goodposting so I'm happy.

Who are your strongest scumreads?

In post 6168, the worst wrote:
In post 6158, Frozen Angel wrote:What are your reads on sando and titus
Sandi is town.

Claims that he naked lolvoted me.

In post 7220, the worst wrote:uhh I felt like every time I saw SANDO'S posts they were just an endless wall of mechanics. not knowing a lot about his scumgame I figured he was just avoiding posting AI stuff because he was scum so I naked lolvoted him to L-2 and he entered the deathtunnel. he did case me before that but his case is heavily fuelled by the fact he's consistently awful at reading me and has no idea how I approach the game as scum

part of why I'm ok with my lunch is because it'll force Sando to reengage since I'm p sure he's town and he's actually invested in this game

Sando is mechanically focused as town:

In post 7227, the worst wrote:
In post 7223, Creature wrote:
In post 7220, the worst wrote:uhh I felt like every time I saw SANDO'S posts they were just an endless wall of mechanics.
This is what I felt earlier about him (somewhere near end of D2).
turns out this is probably a towntell for Sando. not something I'm keen to put a lot of stock in given how easy it is to replicate, but he is indeed more likely to hyperfocus on mechanics as town

In post 7498, the worst wrote:scum!Sando would involve such a tremendous and passionate crossbus between Titus and Sando that I really doubt it's within either of their scumranges

In post 8215, the worst wrote:
In post 8214, stungun0404 wrote:@the worst, if there is anyone in our current scum pool outside yourself that you would bet the game on being town, who would that be, if anyone? and why?
Doubt I'd bet the game on anything rn. Sando is probably town tho ig. Who else is in the pool?

In post 10722, the worst wrote:Yeah I jumped on Sando d2 for it to get readable content and he townspewed reasonably hard. Trodden ground my dude.

In post 11247, the worst wrote:
In post 11243, Sando wrote:
In post 11241, the worst wrote:Uhhhhhhh I think Sando is actually town bee tee dubz
If anyone still thinks I'm scum after going hard at Titus and calling out the Math+Titus precog bullshit days ago...
right
just reiterating mid table-flip

ALL of this is pre D7. So basically Town> Lolnaked vote > Town.

Then Day 7, after I post a plan to get two lynches instead of 1.

In post 12319, the worst wrote:sando please explain why you openly scumsided d6 for me?

In post 12338, the worst wrote:all signs actually point to scum!Sando which I hate so much and it makes me wonder if I'm wrong

Spoiler: Terrible Bomb Plan with Mathscum

In post 7610, the worst wrote:
In post 7604, MathBlade wrote:Self Detonation (available during the day)
we should use this to blast the lynchpool

Note at this point that Mathblade, now conf!scum, is leader at this point.

In post 7875, the worst wrote:
In post 7872, Sando wrote:
In post 7871, the worst wrote:I'm talking the selected people would detonate within the first like 7 days of the phase or be lynched.

In post 1, The Dream Weaver wrote:Each Day Phase after lasts approximately 7 real life days.
You you might want to flesh that one out a bit more...cause that's a terrible idea.
Within 72 hours then, basically first half of the phase

It's not a great plan, but he's getting there

In post 7950, the worst wrote:
In post 7947, MathBlade wrote:
In post 7946, stungun0404 wrote:... but what if nancydrew has been deepwolfing us all along? does that factor in?

too much of a risk to have locktown slots suicide bomb
Nancy drew in that case loses.

Me FA Sakura Drixx stomp her butt.
Q F T

this is an exercise, first and foremost, in force advancing the shit out of the gamestate (which has basically been a stagnant lynchpool + primarily-mechanical circlejerk for agessssssssssss) and secondly, in testing the integrity of the lynchpool

it literally just tells us how many deepwolves we have and nukes the shit out of the other scum.

i keep getting prouder and prouder of this!!

Duckling agreeing with scumMath helping out scumNancy deepwolfing...

In post 8817, the worst wrote:
In post 8811, MathBlade wrote:
In post 8809, the worst wrote:O btw we should not ever say who's gonna get a bomb it's prolly better to say like for example

one of:
{tw, mith}
{zoraster, ut}

etc. etc.

sorry still strung out on how fucking good this idea is

pedit: I heartily condone Sakura>FA fwiw
We need to say who gets a bomb and who explodes on who for two reasons
1) If everyone explodes on the same person that is a lot of needless death to kill one person
2) For accountability reasons if someone is supposed to go off on a player and “hero” suicides or takes out a member of the town block we can then trace it back. I have no idea how they are going to flip if it’s “X suicides and kills Y” or just “Y dies overnight”
I agree and got distracted half way thru that sorry

say whichever of tw/mith gets a bomb must asplode the other
whichever of zor/ut gets a bomb must asplode the other before the night phase

then leader fullclaims the list of actual recipients at start of the next day

Spoiler: TWs current terrible plan

ISO · Post Post #12459 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:26 pm

I've been open as fuck about how I haven't seen this as Creature's town game. the main reason I'm starting to think he's probably town is because of how fucking obvious your agenda was yesterday and the fact that the scum motivated bullshit that's gone down isn't consistent with scum having his low level of engagement.

Sando · Post Post #12460 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:28 pm

In post 12456, the worst wrote:you've been hyperfocused on mechanics and avoided town mislynches while being set up as a deepwolf

Literally called Titus D1, D2 and then lynched her D3 using these so called "mechanical" posts while you naked lolvoted me to L-2

ISO · Post Post #12461 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:28 pm

all you're casing is that I've been disengaged and we have different playstyles. I think I said that 400 pages ago. you are openwolfing for the second day in a row in MYLO.

ISO · Post Post #12462 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:28 pm

In post 12460, Sando wrote:
In post 12456, the worst wrote:you've been hyperfocused on mechanics and avoided town mislynches while being set up as a deepwolf
Literally called Titus D1, D2 and then lynched her D3 using these so called "mechanical" posts while you naked lolvoted me to L-2

yes you bussed Titus we've established that

ISO · Post Post #12463 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:29 pm

we can use your plan if you can lay down a reason why a 3 way roleblock doesn't work. but that plan never involves you. you are today's lynch, even if you are somehow town you've shown yourself to be blatantly incapable to push a town agenda the last two day phases.

Sando · Post Post #12464 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:30 pm

In post 12462, the worst wrote:
In post 12460, Sando wrote:
In post 12456, the worst wrote:you've been hyperfocused on mechanics and avoided town mislynches while being set up as a deepwolf
Literally called Titus D1, D2 and then lynched her D3 using these so called "mechanical" posts while you naked lolvoted me to L-2
yes you bussed Titus we've established that

In post 7498, the worst wrote:scum!Sando would involve such a tremendous and passionate crossbus between Titus and Sando that I really doubt it's within either of their scumranges

There's a

post for everything!

Sando · Post Post #12465 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:30 pm

In post 12463, the worst wrote:we can use your plan if you can lay down a reason why a 3 way roleblock doesn't work. but that plan never involves you. you are today's lynch, even if you are somehow town you've shown yourself to be blatantly incapable to push a town agenda the last two day phases.

I did, it's in my case on you.

Sando · Post Post #12466 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:32 pm

In post 12465, Sando wrote:
In post 12463, the worst wrote:we can use your plan if you can lay down a reason why a 3 way roleblock doesn't work. but that plan never involves you. you are today's lynch, even if you are somehow town you've shown yourself to be blatantly incapable to push a town agenda the last two day phases.
I did, it's in my case on you.

Your roleblock plan literally guarantees a scumwin btw, and you say I'm openwolfing?

Like...dude...if you somehow are town here...holy shit.

ISO · Post Post #12467 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:32 pm

god forbid my read changed (and my expectations were exceeded) across F I V E T H O U S A N D posts

bro what the hell are you even trying to achieve with this...?

Sando · Post Post #12468 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:32 pm

Aaaaaanyway, I'm done for a while, this back and forth is boring. Case and recap is there, have fun.

ISO · Post Post #12469 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:33 pm

Creature and Gamma are both too experienced and too smart to fall for this, lol. bye Sando

Sando · Post Post #12470 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:49 pm

@Drixx

Absolutely do NOT give (all) 3 people powers, scum probably have Negate+MindControl from nights 2 and 6. They'll negate their freezer and kill, and probably submit MC as well in case there's some fuckery going on with "did they pick BP?!" for the win.

You have to pick 2 people and give them powers. One of them will be Creature, hopefully Creature can produce a TR he trusts enough to communicate to you. If not, the person you give it to (your best TR out of the alive non-Creature list) should target the person other than Creature. If I'm the lynch Creature will hopefully figure out overnight that my plan is the only option that gives town any chance and pick one of the other two to freeze. If they double up, GG win, if not, eh I tried.

Sando · Post Post #12471 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:50 pm

VOTE: the worst

ISO · Post Post #12472 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:54 pm

Doubling up on freezing doesn't do anything tho? like the person is roleblocked anyway? I don't see what you're trying to achieve besides being townread and not blasted by freezing tonight which has super obviously been your plan all along

Sando · Post Post #12473 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:00 pm

In post 12453, Sando wrote:
In post 12452, the worst wrote:what happens with freezing if x?
I'm really not following
One sec, waiting on mod.

I mean the plan still fails horribly, but lets see if the mod will confscum you for me

Twas wrong, mod didn't confscum ya...yet.

The Dream Weaver · Post Post #12474 (ISO) » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:00 pm

Bump.