Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Enigma]

teehee ofrhz

[Skygazer]

still at work so i cant make an effort post but if you want even more of a mindfuck one of the layers of my avatar is from the show avatar

[FrankJaeger]

It's also awkward that I've ended those last 2 post's with "for now"... I'm tired, goodnight.

no one cares. Why do you care?

*tries not to cry*

[FrankJaeger]

Sky's entrance to the game is alarming. Everything she said so far "could" be interpreted as a mere joke. However -in my experience- joking about lynching the IC always comes from scum. And her last post/joke is even more alarming. I feel like it's been made for the sole purpose of declaring herself as the true traitor. It's as if she took ruru's earlier post about the traitor as an inquiry and is responding to it in fashion.

So,

my case on Sky is she is the Traitor

Sir, don't do this to me.

I will not hesitate to tell

the class why I think this is wrong, especially from you.

idt i see it
care to explain?

It's a meta read, but I

prefer not to give

it unless necessary because it involves outing an alt

Which is it?


P.s And meta reads are usually garbage

[FrankJaeger]

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frankjaeger's entrance is kinda meh

I see you've never played with me before

[Antihero]

gamma's entrance has a stick-up-the-ass feel

i don't like it

gammas null for me rn.
y dont u like his entrance?

i think 153 and 154 are a weirdly clinched way to shut down a legitimate thought train

155 also specifically bugs me bc i answer that in a later post but he doesn't bother to revisit it even though he apparently thought enough of it to ask in the first place

the rest of the posts are these collections of one-liner responses to meh posts that sort of exist just to take up space

[ruru]

VOTE: FrankJaeger

[FrankJaeger]

VOTE: FrankJaeger

I thought we moved beyond rvs

[Creature]

Frank feels town

[Creature]

what about ruru is telling u she's town?

Hey guys I'm traitor no shoot pls

VOTE: Almost50

Also how about we stop talking about how many prs we think scum can claim

[Creature]

If I go crazy:

01. Almost50

02. HeWhoSwims

03. Skygazer
04. ruru

05. Antihero
06. ManWithNoName

07. Enigma
08. FrankJaeger
09. Creature

10. Gamma Emerald

11. skitter30
12. Vex Vience

[Almost50]

If I go crazy:

01. Almost50

02. HeWhoSwims

03. Skygazer
04. ruru

05. Antihero
06. ManWithNoName

07. Enigma
08. FrankJaeger
09. Creature

10. Gamma Emerald

11. skitter30
12. Vex Vience

OK, we agree on 2/3 and you're conf!Town so your reads are a good reference to me.

VOTE: Antihero

[skitter30]

If skitter is still scumreading me at eod, correct play is to lynch me and then lynch her, and scum.her is probably aware of that and therefore probably won't try to mislynch me

I mean that is a bit reachy regarding lynching skitter if she scumreads you (correctly) and you end up being lynched. Why are you suggesting the correct play is to lynch her after you are lynched (regardless of flip) - yes scum can bus, but (town) skitter can and should also be able to scumread you (correctly or incorrectly) without dooming her to being PLd after you are lynched?

@ruru can you respond to this please?

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You should probably read more of my early d1 meta if this is a serious concern

ok maybe i'll do a more thorough metadive at some point

from the games i have played with you this seems kinda atypical

Historically you read me accurately on d1, so it would be similar to a guilty

idk i wouldn't really call something like this a guilty; more like a fairly-strong meta-based read

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Me being IC or the font?

Looks like my browsers weren’t rendering the font properly so it looked okay to me. Let me know if it is still hard to read, since I can’t tell the difference.

the curly font is a little bit hard for me to read actually

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Because it factors into me townreading skitter

wait now i'm confused; i thought it was a factor in how i read you; how does it factor into how you read me?

==

After all, it takes someone overly eccentric (like myself) to even try to decipher that post the way I did.

i don't get it - why is that townie of her?

==

P.s And meta reads are usually garbage

eh, disagree

==

VOTE: FrankJaeger

idk he feels kinda meh but i don't think he feels *scummy* meh

just kinda generally underwhelming but i don't know if that's inherently scummy

[Almost50]

After all, it takes someone overly eccentric (like myself) to even try to decipher that post the way I did.

i don't get it - why is that townie of her?

You think Scum!her (or even Scum!ME) would go that far (speaking in riddles) just to say "I'm Town"?? Come on!

You need to look at the whole thing: I said it was am eccentric move, so I view it from the PoV of myself making that move, and I don't think that >I< would have thought of THAT -as Scum- to say I'm Town. I might have done it as Town though (admittedly never actually did go that far, but I do speak in riddles and crumb my role is strange ways, so that's what I'm seeing and that's how I'm feeling.

And if I'm wrong it still is funny!

[ruru]

I mean that is a bit reachy regarding lynching skitter if she scumreads you (correctly) and you end up being lynched. Why are you suggesting the correct play is to lynch her after you are lynched (regardless of flip) - yes scum can bus, but (town) skitter can and should also be able to scumread you (correctly or incorrectly) without dooming her to being PLd after you are lynched?

@ruru can you respond to this please?

... because I'm town and I'll flip town? Like seriously this is a stupid question and I'm kinda having a hard time getting into the game because the majority of the playerlist seems to be having trouble understanding where I'm coming from wrt mafia theory when I don't think I'm being particularly unclear or particularly wrong in what I'm saying

I'd much rather answer sorting questions than mafia theory questions

I actually want to policy lynch like everyone right now

Historically you read me accurately on d1, so it would be similar to a guilty

idk i wouldn't really call something like this a guilty; more like a fairly-strong meta-based read

Are you calling your current read on me a fairly-strong meta-based read ("this")?

wait now i'm confused; i thought it was a factor in how i read you; how does it factor into how you read me?

If I thought I'd obvtowned already I would be scumreading you

Unfortunately I don't have strong reads and I don't feel like talking to anyone so basically I haven't done anything and I understand the scumread on me

[Enigma]

Welcome to A50 theories ... true madness, this is why I take them with a grain of salt ahaha

A50, re Sky's avatar do you think she changed it just because of this specific game and the wagon on her (considering she is playing in several other games rn)?

Well, I haven't checked her other ongoing games and I dunno if she said she'd be watching avatar in them, so I can't return a reliable answer. However, I do think that post had something to do with that avatar edit in this game, and thus more inclined to buy it. After all, if I lose to her because of THAT move I'd still be laughing hard at how cute of a move it was.

You think that she thought to changed her profile pic, because she said she was watching avatar in a post? Ahaha, gotta hand it - this is far beyond the bounds of my reasoning lol .... brain can not compute .... guess I gotta just leave Sky as is for now.

[skitter30]

You think Scum!her (or even Scum!ME) would go that far (speaking in riddles) just to say "I'm Town"?? Come on!

this doesn't mean anything to me tbh; i don't think it's ai at all

it just kinda is

like it's so far from anything that i'd do like ever as either alignment that it just doesn't register as being ai either way to me, more of a curiosity that kinda happened

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Are you calling your current read on me a fairly-strong meta-based read ("this")?

no atm i'd call it a vaguely-there meta-based-read that i'm still hashing out that i haven't come to a firm conclusion on

i meant in more of a general sense; even if i *was* fairly confident on meta that you were scum i wouldn't call that a guilty

i'd just call it a fairly-strong meta-based read and would probably just argue it until you or me were dead, but i wouldn't put it in the same category as a guilty in a general sense

like a guilty is mod-given info and/or mechanical info that tells me that you aren't town (of course there's varying levels of guilties; tracker-guilties aren't the same thing as cop-guilties)

whereas a fairly-strong meta-based read is just that; it's something i'd feel strongly about but i don't have evidence from the mod informing the read or anything

[Enigma]

I mean that is a bit reachy regarding lynching skitter if she scumreads you (correctly) and you end up being lynched. Why are you suggesting the correct play is to lynch her after you are lynched (regardless of flip) - yes scum can bus, but (town) skitter can and should also be able to scumread you (correctly or incorrectly) without dooming her to being PLd after you are lynched?

@ruru can you respond to this please?

... because I'm town and I'll flip town? Like seriously this is a stupid question and I'm kinda having a hard time getting into the game because the majority of the playerlist seems to be having trouble understanding where I'm coming from wrt mafia theory when I don't think I'm being particularly unclear or particularly wrong in what I'm saying

I'd much rather answer sorting questions than mafia theory questions

I actually want to policy lynch like everyone right now

Tbh, you make an assumption that we think you are town for your logic to work, and then at the same time you continue to claim that you are intentionally playing somewhat scummy and can understand why people are scumreading you.... So you can perhaps see why people are "having trouble understanding you"

Unfortunately I don't have strong reads and I don't feel like talking to anyone so basically I haven't done anything and I understand the scumread on me

Can you explain your Jager vote then?

[ruru]

you continue to claim that you are intentionally playing somewhat scummy

I'm not playing intentionally scummy and I didn't claim to be playing intentionally scummy

There's a difference between playing intentionally scummy and not bothering to intentionally craft the towniest-sounding post possible (which I sometimes do as town)

For example, when I voted skygazer, I thought it might look like a scummy vote, but I also thought it had positive utility outside of just "is this going to get me townread or not"

Can you explain your Jager vote then?

I'm not townreading him

[Almost50]

Like, I want to interfere here yet I don't want to (!!).

OK, people are not reading what ruru said correct, so the back(s) and forth(es) are justified from "their" PoV, but seem a bit ridiculous to me. Let me go fetch the quote.. here it is:

If skitter is still scumreading me at eod

, correct play is to lynch me and then lynch her, and

scum.her is probably aware of that and therefore probably won't try to mislynch me

Now let's see.. check the underlined. Is it EOD yet?? I don't think it is, and thus discussing what follows while "ignoring" the condition sounds ridiculous in the first place.

Then, someone said something about "regardless of the flip" which I fail to find here (maybe it's somewhere else, so please be kind to point it out). As it is, what I got here is "if skitter still fails to that ruru is Town

by the end of the day

, then ruru will assume skitter is scum and faking a read on her, thus offers herself to be lynched and

when she flips town

to lynch skitter next, because -in ruru's mind- skitter knows her too well to still be SRing her after "what's to come".

However, the bolded tells me ruru isn't that confident skitter is faking at this point. On contrary, she thinks skitter's read

at this point

might be justified, for ruru herself admits she hasn't yet obv!towned. She thus thinks skitter SRing

now

is a sugn skitter is Town, but if that read is still there

after ruru "does her thing" and obv!town

(which should be sometime betwee now and EoD, THEN you can all assume one of them is scum for sure and proceed with the "lynch ruru and -if town- lynch skitter" plan.

Now, where did I go wrong? What am I missing??

@skitter: As for you not ever doing what Sky did as either alignment; I 100% believe you. I said >I< would, because I'm that eccentric. You are more of an orthodox player, while I'm the exact opposite. (You know how to obv!town for starters, while if I tried that I end up looking far more scummy than if I deliberately tried to act scummy!!)

So, it's very normal .. very natural to me that you, Enigma and most others would fail to see it my way (regarding what Sky did) for you would have to be me (or someone crazy) to even look at it that way.

[Vex Vience]

UNVOTE: sky

@mod v/la for 48 hours

apparently i have like 2 essays due in like 3 days
will try to post when i have a minute
quick thought as well: was thinking that sky couldve been using the changing avatar to have "im town" as a method of confirming herself as town but i found that too angleshooty to be true
good play regardless sky

Thanks for the heads up -ofrhz

[ManWithNoName]

I picked a bad set of days to have to go to court hours away from the home office multiple days in a row, I don't want to read 9 pages, stop being jerks.

[Enigma]

Like, I want to interfere here yet I don't want to (!!).

OK, people are not reading what ruru said correct, so the back(s) and forth(es) are justified from "their" PoV, but seem a bit ridiculous to me. Let me go fetch the quote.. here it is:

If skitter is still scumreading me at eod

, correct play is to lynch me and then lynch her, and

scum.her is probably aware of that and therefore probably won't try to mislynch me

Now let's see.. check the underlined. Is it EOD yet?? I don't think it is, and thus discussing what follows while "ignoring" the condition sounds ridiculous in the first place.

Then, someone said something about "regardless of the flip" which I fail to find here (maybe it's somewhere else, so please be kind to point it out). As it is, what I got here is "if skitter still fails to that ruru is Town

by the end of the day

, then ruru will assume skitter is scum and faking a read on her, thus offers herself to be lynched and

when she flips town

to lynch skitter next, because -in ruru's mind- skitter knows her too well to still be SRing her after "what's to come".

However, the bolded tells me ruru isn't that confident skitter is faking at this point. On contrary, she thinks skitter's read

at this point

might be justified, for ruru herself admits she hasn't yet obv!towned. She thus thinks skitter SRing

now

is a sugn skitter is Town, but if that read is still there

after ruru "does her thing" and obv!town

(which should be sometime betwee now and EoD, THEN you can all assume one of them is scum for sure and proceed with the "lynch ruru and -if town- lynch skitter" plan.

Now, where did I go wrong? What am I missing??

@skitter: As for you not ever doing what Sky did as either alignment; I 100% believe you. I said >I< would, because I'm that eccentric. You are more of an orthodox player, while I'm the exact opposite. (You know how to obv!town for starters, while if I tried that I end up looking far more scummy than if I deliberately tried to act scummy!!)

So, it's very normal .. very natural to me that you, Enigma and most others would fail to see it my way (regarding what Sky did) for you would have to be me (or someone crazy) to even look at it that way.

Yeh that was me with the quote. Tbh when I first wrote that I was looking at it thinking that ruru could be scum and it set off alarm bells. In my 217 where I kind of revisited the quote from the assumption of a town!ruru chain of thought, it made more sense. However, the logic in ruru's post only works out if you approach it thinking that ruru is town.

A50, you townreading ruru then?

[Creature]

How are we doing?

[Vex Vience]

Can you explain your Jager vote then?

I'm not townreading him

i mean y else would u be voting him past rvs unless u were scumreading him / not townreading him?