Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Enigma]

teehee

[Enigma]

If I go crazy:

01. Almost50

02. HeWhoSwims

03. Skygazer
04. ruru

05. Antihero
06. ManWithNoName

07. Enigma
08. FrankJaeger
09. Creature

10. Gamma Emerald

11. skitter30
12. Vex Vience

OK, we agree on 2/3 and you're conf!Town so your reads are a good reference to me.

VOTE: Antihero

OK, so substitute Sky with MWNN in my initial Scum team formation and that's game over. Scums are Antihero, ManWithNoName & FrankJaeger. I'm a GENIUS!!

A50 (and creature)
I was just checking a few ISOs and realised MWNN has three posts, has been V/LA and essentially contentless. How did we reach the conclusion for MWNN?

[Enigma]

If I go crazy:

01. Almost50

02. HeWhoSwims

03. Skygazer
04. ruru

05. Antihero
06. ManWithNoName

07. Enigma
08. FrankJaeger
09. Creature

10. Gamma Emerald

11. skitter30
12. Vex Vience

/sigh

ok, let's go over why a50 is crossed out i guess

I was expecting you to present something on A50 but you haven't ... any thoughts on A50 and his vote on you?

[FrankJaeger]

Also @frank how are you reading hws?

I guess I should have asked this before my last post

At work right now, will get back to you tonight.

[Vex Vience]

starting to like ruru a bit
dont get the scumread on mwnn. how can u scumread someone whos been on vla the entire game?

[Vex Vience]

how confident are you in sky being the traitor?

About the same level of confidence you are Town in this game.

looking at this quote again it pings me as somewhat odd
a50 was really certain that sky was the traitor at that point (or at least to me it seemed like) while he earlier said that he was tring me, it wasn't a strong one, but he was tring me
i could just be really overthinking this and be totally wrong tho

OK, so substitute Sky with MWNN in my initial Scum team formation and that's game over. Scums are Antihero, ManWithNoName & FrankJaeger. I'm a GENIUS!!

y r u scumreading anti?
hes null/slight tr for me

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

starting to like ruru a bit
dont get the scumread on mwnn. how can u scumread someone whos been on vla the entire game?

with this being said as well, im starting to like anti, unsure on a50, im starting to dislike frank

If I go crazy:

01. Almost50

02. HeWhoSwims

03. Skygazer
04. ruru

05. Antihero
06. ManWithNoName

07. Enigma
08. FrankJaeger
09. Creature

10. Gamma Emerald

11. skitter30
12. Vex Vience

y do u think frank isnt scum creature?
ill also post a wall of reads either later tonight or tomorrow

[Almost50]

y r u scumreading anti?
hes null/slight tr for me

I mean, PoE alone leaves me with only 4 suspects, so he's like 75% scum yo me.

[HeWhoSwims]

Short phone post, I'm dead and need to chill before I hit a few days apathy streak

@Skitter my reasoning was that Vex was at least really engaged and Gemerald had made some posts more plus a bit of gut. (Also didn't read a lot of presidents mafia sadly! I wanted to but got busy. I mostly just checked if brass was holding up)

Ruru why would it be expected town behaviour to copy your vote which iirc was the only one on the wagon

[HeWhoSwims]

And Vex I'm joking about the y and u of course

[HeWhoSwims]

also thinking about it some more, @hws why is asking a lot of questions not townie to u?
the entire point is to get someone to clarify their stance no?
if ur forced to clarify what u mean itd help everyone no?

Not sure if I said this? At least wasn't trying to. Asking questions isn't bad but it can very well get you a scumread from me if it's the vast majority of your iso... I want people's own reads as well!

[Vex Vience]

y r u scumreading anti?
hes null/slight tr for me

I mean, PoE alone leaves me with only 4 suspects, so he's like 75% scum yo me.

explain how u got there plz

also thinking about it some more, @hws why is asking a lot of questions not townie to u?
the entire point is to get someone to clarify their stance no?
if ur forced to clarify what u mean itd help everyone no?

Not sure if I said this? At least wasn't trying to. Asking questions isn't bad but it can very well get you a scumread from me if it's the vast majority of your iso... I want people's own reads as well!

i mean... thats the basis of all my reads is what u reply to me with...
i even said id be posting a wall of reads later tonight or tomorrow

[HeWhoSwims]

You said that after my post though.

And you can base reads on what people say apart from your questions, too. If you're only/mostly asking questions and or discussing the setup it looks like empty busywork to me. If it goes on too long

[Vex Vience]

yes but asking questions helps me get a better idea as to motive
someone whos town is gonna reply to questions than someone whos scum
its just a matter of figuring out which answer is the town answer and which one is the scum answer

[HeWhoSwims]

Might just be a playstyle difference then but in general that pings my scumdar

Although skitter is saying that I might be making a mistake for thinking similarly of Gemerald

[Almost50]

explain how u got there plz

What's to explain, my friend? I said I TR everyone with the exception of Antihero/ManWithNoName/FrankJaeger/Gamma Emerald. Given we have 3 scums over all it follows each of my suspects is 75% likely to flip scum. 3 out of these 4 are the scum team IMHO.

[Vex Vience]

Might just be a playstyle difference then but in general that pings my scumdar

Although skitter is saying that I might be making a mistake for thinking similarly of Gemerald

it is a playstyle difference
i find questioning (to an extend) townie before it becomes just pure "all i do is ask questions and nothing else"

explain how u got there plz

What's to explain, my friend? I said I TR everyone with the exception of Antihero/ManWithNoName/FrankJaeger/Gamma Emerald. Given we have 3 scums over all it follows each of my suspects is 75% likely to flip scum. 3 out of these 4 are the scum team IMHO.

explain ur reasoning on

how

u got there
meaning what is causing u to tr everyone but those 4, and whats causing u to not tr those 4

[Almost50]

@Vex: There comes the part where I really hate it. You want me to rewrite my whole ISO? I know I -at least- explained the TRs on HWS, Sky, ruru & you. I hinted on the skitter read, but to reiterate I know her well enough to notice if she's being manipulative or withdrawn and she's not. Enigma is also posting in a townie manner .. like how am I supposed to explain what "posting in a townie matter" means?

Gamma hasn't given me that Town vibe just yet, but he hasn't obv!Scummed either, so he's more of "backup" candidate for scum, but I treated him as an equal to the other 3 to be fair to them.

Now what exactly is townie in any of Anti/Frank/MWNN's ISOs? The latter is a strong scum lean for the very fact you would null read him: NO CONTENT. I know he can do MUCH better than this if he wanted to.

[Vex Vience]

Now what exactly is townie in any of Anti/Frank/MWNN's ISOs? T

he latter is a strong scum lean for the very fact you would null read him: NO CONTENT

. I know he can do MUCH better than this if he wanted to.

so ur scumreading someone on vla?

[skitter30]

>my gut rxn from his "omg i'm this eccentric and random wizard from the moon, isn't that cute?" shtick is that it's overwrought for the purpose of showmanship given i haven't seen any flashes of it that feel... natural...? idk what the word is

idk i think he's just a moon-logic-y player tbh and i can buy that he's using this sort of thing to form reads; the first game with him i scumread him for it because i didn't know any better but this is like the sixth(?) game i've played with him and this is kinda characteristic of him i think

as scum he's also moon-logic-y but i think he's less likely to commit to either of his sky reads this strongly as scum; i don't really feel like early game as scum he tries to take control of the gamestate, he's just more kinda there; ime he becomes more galvanized into action as scum when he's under pressure

like the moonlogic-y behavior you're describing i think is just his playstyle, and i think that being *convicted* of it is more likely to come form town

>the whole initial angle on skygazer felt like pointing out things that are antitown (hypoclaim traitor and call to lynch the IC) but don't really even have superficially apparent scum motivation

what do you think about the people following him there (ie me + ruru + someone else i forgot)?

i kinda think that there's traitor-motivation of being conspicuously scummy tbh; i don't think there's regular-scum motivation really

i absolutely believe that this is a thing that a50 would use to form a read

i agree that he feels kinda like overly confident in his 'i've poe'd the game already to these four people' but at the same time i kinda agree that i don't really townread those people yet and also i don't know if he poe's like most of the game this early as scum

this is the sixth(?) game i've played with him and i've only been wrong once - the first game i played with him where i scumread him for the moonlogic and claiming bg on the like fourth page of stack-the-deck (mathdino's stack the deck; open 711 iirc)

two jungle-republics ago (open 712 maybe? i forget the number; the mod was mutantdevle), he repped in day1 and basically as soon as he did i death-tunneled him until we lynched him day2

he also has a known alt - ap - who i've played with twice

open 721 - i was kinda wavering on reading him for a while and tended to town on him but as soon as i figured out who ap was an alt was i had him as hard-town

last jungle republic (open 725 maybe? mod was arcangel9)- he also played under ap i think. i was kinda undecided day1 but i started day2 casing him and death-tunnelled him there too (to be fair i don't know if he would have gotten lynched there if he hadn't incidentally been guiltied n1, but i kept prodding the seer to wagon him with me to the point that the seer kinda gave up and outed the guilty; see ap's 'plan' after that for another example of moonlogic)

so all-in-all i think i'm fairly decent at reading him and overall i think he's town here

[skitter30]

y r u scumreading anti?
hes null/slight tr for me

I mean, PoE alone leaves me with only 4 suspects, so he's like 75% scum yo me.

like idk i don't really see him doing this as scum?

i don't know if he's this ... cocksure as scum either

[Vex Vience]

im not sure on a50
im currently scumleaning him
i find the scumreading the vla player the scummiest out of all of them tho
also @a50, only use latter for two people

[skitter30]

Short phone post, I'm dead and need to chill before I hit a few days apathy streak

@Skitter

my reasoning was that Vex was at least really engaged and Gemerald had made some posts more plus a bit of gut.

(Also didn't read a lot of presidents mafia sadly! I wanted to but got busy. I mostly just checked if brass was holding up)

Ruru why would it be expected town behaviour to copy your vote which iirc was the only one on the wagon

this post feels kinda off tonally

idk i can kinda buy the bolded tho; i agree with ruru that it's probably more pro-town to join her on the frank wagon but i also don't think it's anti-town or scummy to have voted gamma over frank at that stage; it's entirely possible that hws doesn't take this sort of thing into account when voting, especially not at this stage of teh game

[skitter30]

You said that after my post though.

And you can base reads on what people say apart from your questions, too.

If you're only/mostly asking questions and or discussing the setup it looks like empty busywork to me. If it goes on too long

do you currently think that vex is doing the busy-work sort of questioning?

[skitter30]

Now what exactly is townie in any of Anti/Frank/MWNN's ISOs? The latter is a strong scum lean for the very fact you would null read him: NO CONTENT. I know he can do MUCH better than this if he wanted to.

uh ... he's been v/la since the agme started, why are you scumreading him for lack of content ....?

like how can you have somebody as a strong scumlean for lack of content when the game started 3 days ago and they've been gone the whole time

i can understand a nullread or a lack of a townread but i don't understand a scumread here

[skitter30]

im not sure on a50
im currently scumleaning him

i find the scumreading the vla player

the scummiest out of all of them tho
also @a50, only use latter for two people

yeah i think this is kinda scummy too