Mini Normal 2023 - Game Over

[Akarin]

I feel like this makes the coordinated fakeclaims idea a lot less likely.

[Garmr]

I feel like this makes the coordinated fakeclaims idea a lot less likely.

I don't think it was coordinated. I do believe one is going to be fake through.

[Garmr]

Krazy give me one not more than one just one

1.Town read

2.Null read

3.Scum read

[Akarin]

End of Day 1:

To be honest I haven't really been sring james, but that claim seems fake af.

I don't know tone wise the post doesn't strike me as particularly scummy or particularly townie.

If town though it's a damn shame because I don't know why you'd claim this. Not a role that's important to keep alive plus scum might hesitate to hammer now.

I mean even if this is real we just hammer anyway and then james gets to flip his biggest fos. I see no reason right now not to hammer.

Am I missing something obvious? Otherwise hammmering after my shower.

Vote James

If you're real, shoot Garmr.

Last reads James?

I'm pretty sure if James was town he would have gleefully shot someone by now.

This is the silence of a scum lynch.

yeah given that he seemed pretty opinionated before this is concerning

BJ was already on the James wagon at #2. I initially felt like Krazy had the scummiest response of everyone with his hammer, the disbelieving the claim but needing to talk himself into it, but looking again I actually like BJ's response the least. Would scum Krazy hesitate so obviously to hammer after "scum might hesitate to hammer?"

So much wifom about this whole section but I feel like it's important.

[Krazy]

Townblock is Hiraki, Garmr, Music, DrD

PoE leaves Una, Titus, Akarin, MwNN, Bujab

Do you prefer colors?

These never change:

Hiraki, Garmr, Music, DrD

Serious problems with each of these slots:

Titus, MwNN, Akarin

Best solve:

Una, Bujab

[Titus]

VOTE: Krazy

I'm ok with this. The oddly specific "the lynch will flip vt" irked me after the fakeclaim.

[Krazy]

Clearly you were not in espeonage's game. I am getting a lot better at spotting vts with town's syndrome. When a claim makes no sense but has no scum motivation, and there are no third parties, it is vt with town's syndrome.

[BuJaber]

Not because of anything they said. It was because locke had them as solid town. Same with seal and look how lynching him turned out.

So are you arguing we shouldn't be looking at James interactions with anyone just because we got it wrong once?

Why are you oversimplifying what I'm saying.

I'm saying that my reason for suspecting locke was pretty weak. Of course we need to look at interactions but james calling him town is not strong enough.

James called seal town. Seal fakeclaimed. Seal acted like scum or vengeful but he then flipped VT. That to me was a perfect lynch target but he flipped VT. So yeah we absolutely need to raise the bar. No mediocre cases.

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: Krazy

I'm ok with this. The oddly specific "the lynch will flip vt" irked me after the fakeclaim.

That's it?

[Hiraki]

What scum ability would show no result?

Tracker and rolecop off the top of my head

Right - so my point is that unless you think he's a scum rolecop - then he wouldn't know he was roleblocked. He couldn't be roleblocked N1. I have high doubts on a scum tracker being in this game.

Una will die as doc. If you want me to vow to vote for him if he is alive at Lylo - 1 you got it. He ain't living. That's why it makes 0 sense to lynch him.

1) if you're playing mind games with scum, then you should detail who scum is at this point because my lynch order is Una/[Krazy/BuJaber]/Titus. If it's not Una, it's you versus Krazy.

2) i dont think you're playing mind games

when Una doesn't die tonight, don't blame my RB

@Mod: votecount please

[BuJaber]

That depends on who you RB.
Una should be lynched at lylo+1 if not killed by NK.

You're my 5th lynch preference hiraki. You're in the pool by PoE but I don't think you're scum currently with the info we have.

Lynching akarin drd noname and krazy in some order before you.

Order that makes the most sense is krazy > Akarin > noname > drD > hiraki > music.

This is all assuming titus, una, and garmr are town.
Prove that's wrong without and I'd be happy to reevaluate.

Unlike krazy, akarin and drd your posts don't read like someone with an agenda. I don't know why you believe lynching una makes sense.

[UnaBombaH]

It's frustrating because they were basically my lynch pool anyway, but I'm only willing to vote these people today.
Krazy
ManWithNoName (Gamma)
Bujaber

I've began to wonder whether this is the lynchpool that wins us the game..
Still the off-chance that Hiraki should be on the list too but..Krazy has been one of my most stagnant scumreads so far, and Bujaber seems to be slipping.
Not sure about the Gamma-slot ever being shady, but most of you seem to agree on that so guess I just might be wrong.

[ManWithNoName]

VOTE: Krazy

[Akarin]

Nevermind I've been sort of townreading krazy's hammer

I know you aren't currently townreading krazy, but why were you townreading krazy's hammer?

[BuJaber]

Because I flet that I baited him into it. He felt like he was genuinenly not sure if he wants to do it.

But since then I've remembered that I used that "scum won't hammer" line and he could easily have done it for WIFOM. And then the PR stuff came and that's all that matters now.

[Garmr]

Going to be honest I'm a bit lost on who may or may not be scum at this point.

[Krazy]

Bujaber is seriously pinging me. This is a good wagon.

[Krazy]

That depends on who you RB.
Una should be lynched at lylo+1 if not killed by NK.

You're my 5th lynch preference hiraki. You're in the pool by PoE but I don't think you're scum currently with the info we have.

Lynching akarin drd noname and krazy in some order before you.

Order that makes the most sense is krazy > Akarin > noname > drD > hiraki > music.

This is all assuming titus, una, and garmr are town.
Prove that's wrong without and I'd be happy to reevaluate.

Unlike krazy, akarin and drd your posts don't read like someone with an agenda. I don't know why you believe lynching una makes sense.

Hiraki and DrD are both town and he's not even considering Titus. Music before Titus? Are you kidding me? HIRAKI before Titus? GTFO

This guy is scum.

[Krazy]

It's not that Titus is scum. It's that there's no reason to be confident Titus is town. But there's about a billion reasons to see Hiraki as basically locktown at this point. This is a scum lynch order.

[DrDolittle]

Im not seeing scum Krazy. He's out of my lynch pool today.

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: Krazy

this though....

[DrDolittle]

It's frustrating because they were basically my lynch pool anyway, but I'm only willing to vote these people today.
Krazy
ManWithNoName (Gamma)
Bujaber

I've began to wonder whether this is the lynchpool that wins us the game..
Still the off-chance that Hiraki should be on the list too but..Krazy has been one of my most stagnant scumreads so far, and Bujaber seems to be slipping.
Not sure about the Gamma-slot ever being shady, but most of you seem to agree on that so guess I just might be wrong.

Una what about akarin

[Garmr]

Was thinking there is ten people left and out of those ten there are atleast 2 scum. That gives us 2 mislynches

So there's ten people left.

1)

Garmr

-I'm pretty much confirmed town at this point.

2)

UnaBomba/ Locke113

-Claimed to doctor titus/gustavo. It's pretty clear day 2 that Locke113 was hinting at being a doctor/protective role. Showed to be clearly influenced by their results as well. If Unabomber was making it up on the spot then I wouldn't of expected Locke113 to be there.

3)

Hiraki/Kop

Note- can't rule out Hikarai but I will bold it since they seem to be town.

4) ManWithNoName/ Gamma Emerald

5) DrDolittle/ Golden Robster

While DRDoLittle reads clashed with me Golden Interactions with james Don't read as bussing. Also james

Actually, my position on GR depends on Garmr’s flip. If he flips scum, GR is prob bad town. If he flips town tho, GR is most likely scum. But I don’t see a Garmr/GR world making sense.

Was setting up GR as a mislynch further down the line.

6) Titus/Gustavo

Gustavos argument with me and his clash with others makes me think town. Also I can see Titus neighbouring me. The role claim is odd through.

8) Krazy

9) Akarin/FrenchAchilles

12) BuJaber

13) Music

So that gives us 5 to lynch from.

[BuJaber]

It's not that Titus is scum. It's that there's no reason to be confident Titus is town. But there's about a billion reasons to see Hiraki as basically locktown at this point. This is a scum lynch order.

Dude titus is gustavo. I have more evidence in thread to confidently townread gustavo than any other PR claim.
Like apart from meta, and his tone, he'd be literally the biggest asshole on MS if he did all that crap about 'reporting' people as scum. If he flips scum I don't think I can play with him ever again. Heck it might even be against the rules because he's threatening people with real life implications just to gain some in-game advantage. If I were an admin of the site I'd ban him if he flips scum. But I don't set the rules. Regardless I townresd the crap out of that slot. Also less strong but if I recall correcrly titus doesn't try too hard if he replaces into a scum slot.

Why is hiraki locktown holy shit. All the information we have is based on believing all claims. It also assumes scum targeted a protected person. That means either titus or una HAS to be town. So since you think una is scum, it's weird you're not locktowning titus.

You guys are rownreading hiraki and drd because X has no scum motivation to do Y. Well looking like town is a scum motivation even if it is by doing something not optimal for scum. But I'm not even saying we should be scumreading them. I'm saying lynching a PR today is dumb. Liars will get what's coming to them.

[BuJaber]

Krazy when I flip town do me a favor and take a picture of your face because I'd love to see it.

Read what I'm actually saying and think about it. You're advocating for an anti-town lynch. Plain and simple.