Open 734: Paris Mafia (13-player variation) - Game Over

[lane0168]

I PROMISE I will say something that I think is useful tomorrow. Or at least say smelling that I hope will be useful.

Pedit. Hi Ari. Long time no see

Does it really take you that long t think of something?

Yes

[Nero Cain]

vote: FA_Q2

[lane0168]

yeah it's feeling more and more like Sesq is more likely a mime with scum!FA_Q2 voting it

honestly I'm still fine with lynching the slot, if it's a Mime flip that's not the end of the world

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here; how do Sesq's Mime status and FA_Q2's scum status connect in your mind?

@A50 - Sure.

@Lane - I'm amazed that there is difficulty getting a wagon on you.

But honestly you can't be that amazed considering the quality of game being produced so far by most.

I just read through. This is a very "careful" game. I'm noticing that every other page has a "there's not much to talk about so far" post. Which leads me to believe there may just not be much to talk about. Or every single one of them is scum. Doubt that. It's essentially a whole bunch of gut reads and "shit posting" reads.

I can't proceed until I find something that I think is concrete evidence of scum thinking. That is when I get aggressive, but I don't see it. I just don't see it. Why?

[Kmd4390]

Vote Count

Sesq - 5 - RockyHorror, lane0168, innocentvillager, GuiltyLion, FA_Q2
Nero Cain - 4 - Fink, Thor665, Almost50, sesq
Almost50 - 1 - Eragon
FA_Q2 - 1 - Nero Cain

Not Voting - UnrealSeal, Aristophanes

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

UnrealSeal is being replaced.

Deadline is suspended. A new deadline will be announced when the replacement that is currently needed is found.

[GuiltyLion]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here; how do Sesq's Mime status and FA_Q2's scum status connect in your mind?

They're both not showing me any evidence of being town

Sesq is aggressively playing scummy whereas FA_Q2 looks a lot more like he's trying to avoid the spotlight while sheeping onto the convenient wagon

It's not a connection between the two necessarily, it's just how I feel about assessing their slots and a possible explanation for the gamestate

[Thor665]

But honestly you can't be that amazed considering the quality of game being produced so far by most.

Considering the relative willingness most other wagons have felt for reasons that basically describe what you're doing - yeah, I'm a bit amazed.
Are you *not* noticing that? Like, you're amazed that Sesq has a wagon on him and is pushing a wagon on Guilty both of which can be described as 'meh, low content posting' while you sit there openly admitting you're low content posting with me being the only one bothered by your play?
Honestly?

I can't proceed until I find something that I think is concrete evidence of scum thinking. That is when I get aggressive, but I don't see it. I just don't see it. Why?

Considering that, if you're town, that there are two Mafia as well as two slots that should be actively trying to get you to scumread them...well, that just goes back to my reason for wanting to lynch you

[Thor665]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you here; how do Sesq's Mime status and FA_Q2's scum status connect in your mind?

They're both not showing me any evidence of being town

Sesq is aggressively playing scummy whereas FA_Q2 looks a lot more like he's trying to avoid the spotlight while sheeping onto the convenient wagon

It's not a connection between the two necessarily, it's just how I feel about assessing their slots and a possible explanation for the gamestate

What makes FA_Q2 stand out from the other lazy voters on the lazy wagon?
I mean, basically half the game is lazy votes, so why him over, say, Fink doubling down on an RVS position, or IV voting Sesq because Sesq gets reads when voted, or me sticking to cases I last described eight pages ago?

[lane0168]

But honestly you can't be that amazed considering the quality of game being produced so far by most.

Considering the relative willingness most other wagons have felt for reasons that basically describe what you're doing - yeah, I'm a bit amazed.
Are you *not* noticing that? Like, you're amazed that Sesq has a wagon on him and is pushing a wagon on Guilty both of which can be described as 'meh, low content posting' while you sit there openly admitting you're low content posting with me being the only one bothered by your play?
Honestly?

I can't proceed until I find something that I think is concrete evidence of scum thinking. That is when I get aggressive, but I don't see it. I just don't see it. Why?

Considering that, if you're town, that there are two Mafia as well as two slots that should be actively trying to get you to scumread them...well, that just goes back to my reason for wanting to lynch you

I most certainly am noticing that. But what's not amazing to me, is people not jumping from a leading wagon to a non wagon for essentially the same case.

There isn't a solid case to be found... There hasn't been a shocker moment (Aside from a50 telling us all someone claimed scum, which if I had that same feeling is be extremely aggressive towards that spot) for me. A moment of confidence that what was just said came from scum.

I believe what I said about eragons post though. But it's got no legs to stand on in itself

[Thor665]

I most certainly am noticing that. But what's not amazing to me, is people not jumping from a leading wagon to a non wagon for essentially the same case.

Yeah, but that they chose Sesq over you is a thing.

[Nero Cain]

I most certainly am noticing that. But what's not amazing to me, is people not jumping from a leading wagon to a non wagon for essentially the same case.

Yeah, but that they chose Sesq over you is a thing.

Is is strange that ppl want to lynch scum over Lane? Also, you seem content sitting on a not scum wagon so your whine that we aren't lynching Lane seems odd.

[Kmd4390]

Jingle replaces UnrealSeal.

Deadline will be Sunday September 2 at 10pm EST, approximately 48 hours from now.

[lane0168]

Thank god for true hero's like jingle

[Nero Cain]

[Fink]

Lynch Mime -> chance to vig/NK other Mime = 18%
Lynch Town/Mafia -> chance to vig/NK other Mime = 33%

It’s worth trying to avoid lynching Mimes.

[Fink]

Umm...Vig shoots a Mime claim. Always.

Lynching a Mime claim is idiotic XD

You're missing my whole argument, please keep reading

No way Mimeteam comes in and does something that immediately screams Mime,

but those first silly posts seem like a bit of a "please lynch me" Jester thing, and I think that's more likely to come from Mafia than Town or Mime.

Mime opens their PM and comes up with complicated ways to get lynched, Mafia opens up their PM with Mimes on the brain, the idea occurs "what if I do something really Jestery at the start of Day 1?" Odds of actually getting lynched aren't that high

I just don't think those posts were all that "please lynch me", like it's literally just RVS song lyric posting. this feels like a reach and you haven't done anything beyond this vote

This, on the other hand, feels like deliberately missing the point, especially given that GL and I already had an exchange about this, he asked me to repeat my reasoning, and here is complaining that I'm not talking about other things. And as I try to get into the game and things pick up, GL pushes harder on this "Fink hasn't done anything" narrative, in a significantly harder way than Thor has, without placing a vote.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

And Thor, it was never an RVS vote.

[lane0168]

@thor your asking what my vote does?

Shows who I think is scum

I get the impression that eragon had this long elaborate response typed up, then got concerned about how it would look, deleted it, and came up with this.

Disregard this

[Fink]

@thor your asking what my vote does?

Shows who I think is scum

I get the impression that eragon had this long elaborate response typed up, then got concerned about how it would look, deleted it, and came up with this.

Disregard this

What were you thinking when you said it and why aren't you thinking it anymore?

[Almost50]

Jingle replaces UnrealSeal.

Hmmm.. this player list id getting stronger by the minute. Here's for hoping this is a Town slot though (otherwise, we're in deep deep trouble).

@Nero: (Aside from me bc that's a given) who do you thing are MAFIA here?

[Almost50]

Oh, you're voting FA_Q2. My bad.

Do you have any other suspect, just in case you are wrong about either of us?

[Nero Cain]

Do you have any other suspect, just in case you are wrong about either of us?

your sole scumread is town so I think you should care more about your reads than mine.

[Jingle]

VOTE: a50

Aggressively serious vote, am caught up, can discuss when not mobile.

[Aristophanes]

Oh yay!

[lane0168]

@thor your asking what my vote does?

Shows who I think is scum

I get the impression that eragon had this long elaborate response typed up, then got concerned about how it would look, deleted it, and came up with this.

Disregard this

What were you thinking when you said it and why aren't you thinking it anymore?

I was thinking what I said when I said it, but doing an iso and seeing the whole picture, I really don't think eragon is scum

[Almost50]

Do you have any other suspect, just in case you are wrong about either of us?

your sole scumread is town so I think you should care more about your reads than mine.

Well, let's put it this way: I am more familiar with your play and I am considering my read on your slot based on your play. However, I am not sold on FA_Q being scum, so I am reaching for you to try and find mutual ground. Do you have any suggestions?

[Almost50]

VOTE: a50

Aggressively serious vote, am caught up, can discuss when not mobile.

Good vote! I also suspect this guy, but I've been a victim of conf!bias before so I'm reluctant to vote there myself.