Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Enigma]

To me, a player like that is better off being vigged

this needs further explanation

IMO vig null-scum read lurkers who won't aren't so interested in engaging in the game - contributing as town or defending themselves as either alignment. Just my opinion, but the information gain on associative from trying to lynch a lurker (maybe scum, though hard to read due to lack of content) is less compared to lynching someone who is active but scummy.
Not claiming this mafia theory or correct, rather just my thoughts and because I kinda rely more on associative for hunting

[ruru]

What kind of question is that

Dunno

Do you feel like answering that?

Read my embarassingly awkward scum meta I guess

[ruru]

IMO vig null-scum read lurkers who won't aren't so interested in engaging in the game - contributing as town or defending themselves as either alignment. Just my opinion, but the information gain on associative from trying to lynch a lurker (maybe scum, though hard to read due to lack of content) is less compared to lynching someone who is active but scummy.
Not claiming this mafia theory or correct, rather just my thoughts and because I kinda rely more on associative for hunting

But we're voting on the vig shot so that we

do

get associatives from both

it's almost exactly like a lynch except we don't want to hit bp

[Vex Vience]

i mean, for d1, what better information do we really have to work off of apart from hanging the scummiest one?
i agree, hanging the scummiest one each day isnt very optimal, but we dont know if sky is traitor.
i think sky is certainly scum, im not sure if shes traitor, but it would make sense on this if she is

my major thing for wanting frank lynch over sky lynch is that if we hang sky (the presumed traitor), we still have two groupscum left alive.
if we hang frank (the presumed groupscum member), we have a presumed traitor, and a groupscum still alive.
id much rather lose a potential vig kill n1 to ensure we get a vig kill n2 versus having two groupscum alive, and getting no vig kill n1/2 if that makes sense

[ruru]

How is frank scummier than sky if sky is certainly scum wtf

[FrankJaeger]

Man creature ur hurting my feelings

[FrankJaeger]

This wagon on me is horrible guys. Really starting to see vex as scum as well.

[Creature]

Man creature ur hurting my feelings

Sorry, I'm supposed to side with town.

[FrankJaeger]

Man creature ur hurting my feelings

Sorry, I'm supposed to side with town.

Save this post for later lol

[ruru]

id much rather lose a potential vig kill n1 to ensure we get a vig kill n2 versus having two groupscum alive, and getting no vig kill n1/2 if that makes sense

I've read this like 20 times and still don't understand it

[Enigma]

To me, a player like that is better off being vigged

this needs further explanation

I can't really wrap my head around bp equity, but I'm thinking that if it hits a BP it is pretty much scum indicative (bar really bad luck with a rb) anyways - so it's like a cop guilty, and because of game mechanics if a vig existed they don't have to claim to force the guilty because we know who the vig should have targeted anyways (should the vig die)

[ruru]

you're comparing the wrong things

[Creature]

I'd not mind testing a wagon elsewhere though

[ruru]

yes, vigging bp scum is good but if the alternative is lynching bp scum it's not good

it's literally removing a town-controlled kill it would be like intentionally nolynching today

[ofrhz]

@orfhz: i need to replace out

more and more stuff keeps piling on at work and school and i cant reasonably keep up in this game when i'm already ridiculously behind in it. I feel like it's unfair to those actually playing rn

sorry to all :/

Noted

[Vex Vience]

i feel that both frank and sky are certainly scum here
i think that out of {frank, sky} that frank poses the bigger threat than sky
i also think that skys replaceout was tactical
ive done it before

i believe frank is groupscum and that sky is traitor
id rather kill groupscum v traitor
if we hang traitor, we have two groupscum able to talk
if we hang groupscum, we have traitor and groupscum, with only one knowing who the other is, and with no way of talking
whats wrong with that?

pedit:
@ruru
vig shoots traitor n1, they assume they were rbd or hit bp/traitor.
n2, they shoot again. traitor dies at this point, meaning vig gets kill off n2.
the same thing is true if we substitute this with bp, except theres no vig kill n2.

ppedit:
frank care to explain?

[ruru]

it would be like intentionally nolynching today

okay this is hyperbole but it's trading a kill on mafia for a guilty (barring weird rb interaction) on mafia

one of those is way better than the other

[Vex Vience]

the other thing if we substitute traitor with bp, n2 we have two groupscum still alive, but instead of scum being down any numbers, were down the numbers instead because instead of n2 trade, (me for traitor), we just have me dying
do you see my point now ruru?

imo its much better to try to kill groupscum d1/2, and try to nk traitor

[Creature]

i also think that skys replaceout was tactical

Check Ban/Restrictions Announcement thread postgame then.

[skitter30]

:3

im gonna assume a few things here:
i'm assuming you're talking about MD's jungle republic, namely, post 229, made by Korina when you say "the wall o' reads", which would mean, you're thinking my main is Korina.

which, yea, you're right on that. i am korina.
i just needed the right motivation to actually sit down and play knowing i wont get instantly pl'd just for being in the game.
the wonders of not pling me are amazing because you get towngames like this from me where i put forth serious amounts of effort into gamesolving.

yeah pretty much; the first wall o' reads reminded me of the korina post but i dismissed it; than you said you modded a game ap played and from there it was pretty easy to figure out

if you want thoughts on what i think about your alt in comparison to your main lmk

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i like your sky case

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@orfhz: i need to replace out

more and more stuff keeps piling on at work and school and i cant reasonably keep up in this game when i'm already ridiculously behind in it. I feel like it's unfair to those actually playing rn

sorry to all :/

bye sky i like playing with you

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This wagon on me is horrible guys. Really starting to see vex as scum as well.

wrt to his read on you do you think he:

a) is picking something stupid to force a fight over to scumread you and justify the read

b) genunitely believes the rushed-reads thing is scummy

c) other

@frank ^^^^

@frank ^^^^

also why is the wagon on you bad?

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i just want to point out that it's possible for none of the folloiwng to exist at all: traitor, mafia bp, and vig

and that's why i'm not worrying about it too much right now

[Creature]

I'm in support that everyone should announce their hypothetical vig targets (barring me surely).

[Creature]

rn what's the list like?

[Vex Vience]

i also think that skys replaceout was tactical

Check Ban/Restrictions Announcement thread postgame then.

why, is that against the rules?

:3

im gonna assume a few things here:
i'm assuming you're talking about MD's jungle republic, namely, post 229, made by Korina when you say "the wall o' reads", which would mean, you're thinking my main is Korina.

which, yea, you're right on that. i am korina.
i just needed the right motivation to actually sit down and play knowing i wont get instantly pl'd just for being in the game.
the wonders of not pling me are amazing because you get towngames like this from me where i put forth serious amounts of effort into gamesolving.

yeah pretty much; the first wall o' reads reminded me of the korina post but i dismissed it; than you said you modded a game ap played and from there it was pretty easy to figure out

if you want thoughts on what i think about your alt in comparison to your main lmk

yea, i wouldnt mind it when its convent to us.
dont really wanna interrupt the currently flow of the game

[Creature]

why, is that against the rules?

Yeh, I've seen players getting banned for tactical replace out.

[skitter30]

@vex ye that was my thought too; remind me after the game then