Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Nero Cain]

How glad are you that I replaced Kats?

[Sando]

I don't know what that is.

For this game, I specifically had them resolve simultaneously only if they were in conflict, meaning they were affecting each other. If they weren't in conflict, then it followed the path of minimal conflict that you quoted (in that the first player in the chain gets resolved first and you just resolve left to right).

It's from the Natural Action Res wiki page, am I reading the wrong place?

Also specifically why I wanted my plan instead of TWs. My plan was mechanically sound, but read-flawed.

[Myloninja13]

Oh my. I'm so sorry. I didn't send you a link to the graveyard. But I swear I gave you access. I checked several times wondering why you didn't come in to post.

Yeah don't worry, it's not terrible haha. But I think you did try to send it to me, but it was 'removed by its author before being delivered' lol.

[The Dream Weaver]

I don't know what that is.

For this game, I specifically had them resolve simultaneously only if they were in conflict, meaning they were affecting each other. If they weren't in conflict, then it followed the path of minimal conflict that you quoted (in that the first player in the chain gets resolved first and you just resolve left to right).

It's from the Natural Action Res wiki page, am I reading the wrong place?

Also specifically why I wanted my plan instead of TWs. My plan was mechanically sound, but read-flawed.

I think it's on the Roleblocker Page. The first example is consistent with how I understand NAR to work. The second one where the Roleblocks all happen simultaneously doesn't make sense to me.

[the worst]

So yes, TW just correctly hit a 50/50 between Creature/Sando

in fairness me not receiving a power was like Drixx's voice booming from the stonedlife saying "SANDO IS TOWN YOU MORON" so... only kinda my decision

[Sakura Hana]

because i mean, technically, an hypothetical Creature town could have gone against the plan and frozen an hypothetical Sando scum.

[The Dream Weaver]

In fairness, you did send me this long PM during the Night Phase that the only way town has a chance of winning is if you were wrong and Sando was town. Which was mechanically correct.

[MathBlade]

Gg all I am tired

I had written something a few times to go here but I hated how it sounded

I am taking a break from MS for a while after this

[Sakura Hana]

I still need to figure out how the hell to get good reads and not second guess myself on them.
And yes, Tora WAS right that i was scared of pushing Math D5. It's some sorta anxiousness that's kinda hard to explain.

[the worst]

I don't know what that is.

For this game, I specifically had them resolve simultaneously only if they were in conflict, meaning they were affecting each other. If they weren't in conflict, then it followed the path of minimal conflict that you quoted (in that the first player in the chain gets resolved first and you just resolve left to right).

I was absolutely banking on this. thinking somewhere between NAR and RAR etc. etc. to the path of "let people actually use and enjoy their powers".

sorry for the irritating way I phrased my question but going into the intricacies of what was going through my head would've resulted in like 3 or 4 questions b2b2b and my poor thumbs needed a rest.

[Sando]

I think it's on the Roleblocker Page. The first example is consistent with how I understand NAR to work. The second one where the Roleblocks all happen simultaneously doesn't make sense to me.

Sorry yeah, RB page.

My reading was that the two viable readings of RB chaining is

A>B>C>D>E results in:

a) All except A getting roleblocked
b) Only B gets Roleblocked

Since you confirmed the circle resulted in a block on all, I thought that meant we were using (a).

[Sakura Hana]

Btw contrary to everyone's belief, I actually trusted duckling more than Sando come time to give people powers, but I thought either of the 2 would be too obvious so I thought of giving Kokichi time to shine.

[Sakura Hana]

A>B>C>D>E

For it to be a circle it'd necessarily need to be A>B>C>D>E>A, then THAT is a circle.
In your current example A blocks B, C blocks D. A,C,E are unblocked.

Putting it down to what you actually had
TW > Sando > Creature > TW = All are blocked
Sando > Creature > TW = Sando blocks Creature. Sando and TW unblocked.

[Sakura Hana]

It's much like when you're using Counterspells in magic the gathering i guess.

[the worst]

I'm 100% sure scum!Sando submits a kill there even if he knows for a fact he'll be blocked just to see what happens. xD

[Sando]

I'm just getting to the end of the dead thread, what the fuck are you guys on about with the RB rules?! Like me and Duckling at least are clearly furiously PMing the mod who is giving us answers so we can formulate a plan. You can't go back on that, if it's "wrong" it's wrong, but it doesn't matter since the mod defined the rules to us as clearly as we asked (not very it turns out ) and we went from there.

We had our chance to ask, we did, a lot, and we all live and die by that decision.

[the worst]

#YOLO

I'm about 10 pages into the dead thread content quality of anything random post is way higher than main thread

[Brian Skies]

Sorry yeah, RB page.

My reading was that the two viable readings of RB chaining is

A>B>C>D>E results in:

a) All except A getting roleblocked
b) Only B gets Roleblocked

Since you confirmed the circle resulted in a block on all, I thought that meant we were using (a).

I believe A was Roleblocking B and C was roleblocking D in the example, so both B and D would be Roleblocked.

The circular roleblock is simultaneous because all of the abilities affect each other. So if one player breaks the chain, then we go back to the path of minimal conflict.

[Sando]

Putting it down to what you actually had
TW > Sando > Creature > TW = All are blocked
Sando > Creature > TW = Sando blocks Creature. Sando and TW unblocked.

I mean I get that this is the "rule", but I'd argue that's definitively NOT clear from the wiki.

Yes I extrapolated from incomplete data (badly), but then I also specifically knew it was incomplete data (two different RB roles) so I wanted to avoid the confusion.

@TW yeah most def, what's the harm in trying?

[Sakura Hana]

I gotta admit, i got super worried when everyone was locktowning Creature and im like... "what".
Admitedly TW did see Creature's game wasnt like his normal town games and was off, but was too tunneled with Sando at the time.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean I get that this is the "rule", but I'd argue that's definitively NOT clear from the wiki.

The circular roleblock resolution was something that Brian decided at the start of the game should it come up ever.
The other is just the golden rule of NAR which i showed in bold earlier.

[Sakura Hana]

You know.
I keep forgetting I fake claimed Masons with Katsuki this game.

[Sando]

So if one player breaks the chain, then we go back to the path of minimal conflict.

Yeah it's this bit that I didn't get.

I was like "oh golden rule, nah that didn't work, next!" and never revisited the golden rule. I was reading it like a list that you check off, when it should be a loop function.

[Sando]

You know.
I keep forgetting I fake claimed Masons with Katsuki this game.

You guys keep calling us end-game town terrible and keep forgetting the sheer amount of random bullshit that we had to deal with. Nos fake-claimed guilty on me as well

[Sakura Hana]

Subject: Heroes Wanted! League of Alisae

would it break any site rules if i pmed a leader asking them to change their avatar every day?

you know, just to mess with you

Funnily enough, I chose that avatar specifically coz it was cute and I wanted it to appear on the vote counts. Would've been funny if I didnt actually become leader in the end.