NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Lapsa]

@tictac as if you cared

[Purrcocet]

this town isn't big enough for the three of us, mala
that's right you and Lapsa are going to have to fight to the DEATH

[Lapsa]

can't wait

[Lapsa]

VOTE: tictac

ugly enough

[popopopopopopo]

vote:garmr

[Completly Trustworthy]

Hello everyone, this looks like it will be a very good flavor game. I always prefer those over regular games.
VOTE: Nosferatu
Also, Umlaut, why do you always vote for Davesaz as you said in 21?

[Io]

VOTE: CT

Nice scumslip page 2.

At least I don't have to try to scumhunt the rest of the day.

[Nosferatu]

Oh, boy! More people that prefer to use proper grammar and follow conventions of the English language. I love it when people talk like essays.

[davesaz]

I always vote him eventually so I may as well do it now.

sadly, too true

[tictac]

@Laps Race to obtown sounded like fun.
Looks like Nosf took a seat on the starting line tho.
VOTE: Nosferatu

[Purrcocet]

Oh, boy! More people that prefer to use proper grammar and follow conventions of the English language. I love it when people talk like essays.

and then i fall into the trap of scumreading everyone who has the tone of a graphing calculator

[Completly Trustworthy]

Here are some questions I like to ask people at the start of a game:
1. What is your experience at Mafia?
2.What do you think is the optimal town strategy?
3.What do you think is the optimal scum strategy?
4. What are good ways to scumhunt?
5. What are bad ways to scumhunt?

My answers:
1. I have some experience at playing mafia in real life, but this is only my third game on the site and I don't know all the players yet.
2.I believe a good way to play as a town member is to call out those who are flying under the radar or lurking and trying to question them about their reads and stances on the game. Often times, coming up with fake logic and reads is stressing and difficult for scum players, so asking everyone to constantly explain themselves should catch bad scum very quickly and generate content. Another good tip is to pay attention to people who use meta tells or indecisiveness to justify voting. Those are common methods for scum players to explain why they are voting people without casing them or pointing out specific posts.
3. Being scum is all about looking towny enough that you are not the most suspicious. An easy way to do that is to suspect players throughout the game and then follow up with votes instead of waffling or voting somewhere else. As long as it seems you are trying to solve the game and are reacting to new posts, the lurkers and sheepers in the game will get lynched instead of you. There is no reason to make your fake reads agree with the towns or for them to be good, seemingly bad play is excusable as long as it appears you are trying. Towns aren't as united an enemy as they may seem, they will quickly tear themselves apart if you don't make mistakes.
4. People who dodge your questions somewhat, urge a suspicious player to be voted "later", or give hard defenses are almost always scum in my experience. Scum try to defend their teammates and buddy others, knowing everyone's allignment. Therefore; people who white knight for others or give hard defenses are usually evil. Also, scum love to set conditions on which they will vote their teammates, like a certain player flipping scum, which they know will not happen.
5. Meta tells are bad due to a player's meta being under their control. In addition, doubting someone because they are paranoid or hesistant to vote is usually bad because townies don't know peoples allignments and would be hesitant to trust, so it is perfectly in character for a townie to behave like that. It is far more suspicious if a player is unaturally certain than if a player is hesitant to commit to a wagon.

[Lapsa]

[Lapsa]

My answers:

[tictac]

1. little over 10 games
2. read a lot. try to figure out what motivates people to do what they do. I don't like people being forced into things because it hides their natural motivations. Dig when ya wanna find out something specific. vote for things ya wanna lynch.
3. don't get lynched. lynch town instead.
4. reading
5. looking for bad logic instead of bad motivations.

what do ya think if IOs vote on ya? Is it a joke or serious? What is the logic behind it?

[Nosferatu]

Oh, boy! More people that prefer to use proper grammar and follow conventions of the English language. I love it when people talk like essays.

and then i fall into the trap of scumreading everyone who has the tone of a graphing calculator

deadass

[Completly Trustworthy]

I think IO's vote is too early to be completely serious, but they do probably want me to answer why I questioned Umlaut. It's because I dislike meta being used to justify votes and try to discourage it or question the players doing it more. Also, I thought that it could be a form of early game bussing or a way of setting up negative associates, so I didn't want it to go unquestioned. I've seen members of the scumteam vote for themselves in RVS a lot.

[Nosferatu]

@Laps Race to obtown sounded like fun.
Looks like Nosf took a seat on the starting line tho.
VOTE: Nosferatu

eventually you'll get better enough at the game to have reads on page 2
im here to tell ya this aint it chief

[Lapsa]

please, somebody take over Completly Trustworthy. my eyes are bleeding

thanks

[Completly Trustworthy]

Now I wish I had named my account pocket calculator, it would have given me a good theme like The Worst or Meme Man.

[tictac]

@CT so what does she mean when she says "scumslip"? Just a word?
@Nosf I have reads! Sometimes even correct ones. I'd think it would be hard not to have any.

[Nosferatu]

I think IO's vote is too early to be completely serious, but they do probably want me to answer why I questioned Umlaut. It's because I dislike meta being used to justify votes and try to discourage it or question the players doing it more. Also, I thought that it could be a form of early game bussing or a way of setting up negative associates, so I didn't want it to go unquestioned. I've seen members of the scumteam vote for themselves in RVS a lot.

do you talk exactly like this in your real games

[Completly Trustworthy]

Yes, nos, look at Newbie 1882. Its a completed game where I behaved similarly.

[Nosferatu]

@Nosf I have reads! Sometimes even correct ones. I'd think it would be hard not to have any.

ok, ill pretend i implied you didnt have reads

pedit: i meant in your real life games

[Completly Trustworthy]

It's not as bad in my real life games, I don't have as much time to think over what I want to say in my mafia playgroup. My posts are a product of me trying to explain my reasons for doing things in ways that make as much sense as possible.