Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[ceejayvinoya]

do you know why tw is scumreading you?

Uh meta I guess? He never directly read me like this before.

[the worst]

it's my first strong read in the game

am I right?

[ceejayvinoya]

I sorta don't wanna deflate you ego...

[skitter30]

just gonna set the record straight.

your read on me here feels really over keen as hell.

those posts are me being me and just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment (and nor does it mean I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck)

currently slightly more likely a bad taken from town!you than a bad setup from scum!you but either way it's bad and I'm not sure how to feel about that yet

having said that you do have experience misreading town!me so it's probably earnest

i mean you're also forgetting the fact that i was scumreading sky before you repped on; i spent like three hundred posts or so voting your slot earlier this game and i've been actively arguing that your slot is a good vig shot for several days now; it's not like my read on the slot is just about you

also i'm noting that you're kinda downplaying my tonal read accuracy on you when we both know i can read you tonally (ie in jungle republic - yes you were town but you were trying to act scummy - and american presidents; 'just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment' feels like spin)

do you think i'm treating this like 'I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck'?

[FrankJaeger]

also i'm noting that you're kinda downplaying my tonal read accuracy on you when we both know i can read you tonally

Yea im not seeing how someone wouldnt down play a "tonal" read. What does that even mean anyway? Looks like something to say without needing to support it

[FrankJaeger]

these ones feel off tonally; i don't think i can explain it better than literally just 'feel off tonally'

Now how could anyone "downplay" this lmao

[ruru]

cj is legitimately scummy here having essentially no reaction to a scumread from someone he just finished playing scum with

[FrankJaeger]

Going to rehash some reads tonight

[the worst]

just gonna set the record straight.

your read on me here feels really over keen as hell.

those posts are me being me and just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment (and nor does it mean I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck)

currently slightly more likely a bad taken from town!you than a bad setup from scum!you but either way it's bad and I'm not sure how to feel about that yet

having said that you do have experience misreading town!me so it's probably earnest

i mean you're also forgetting the fact that i was scumreading sky before you repped on; i spent like three hundred posts or so voting your slot earlier this game and i've been actively arguing that your slot is a good vig shot for several days now; it's not like my read on the slot is just about you

also i'm noting that you're kinda downplaying my tonal read accuracy on you when we both know i can read you tonally (ie in jungle republic - yes you were town but you were trying to act scummy - and american presidents; 'just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment' feels like spin)

do you think i'm treating this like 'I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck'?

not rn no I'm just concerned you're undervaluing me.

you're very tunnelled on my slot and it doesn't feel like you're giving me any room to do my thing.

[the worst]

these ones feel off tonally; i don't think i can explain it better than literally just 'feel off tonally'

Now how could anyone "downplay" this lmao

#goodposting
I'm pocketed now gz Frankie

[the worst]

cj is legitimately scummy here having essentially no reaction to a scumread from someone he just finished playing scum with

That's what's irking me I kinda wanna pressure harder but even more so I feel like he should be volunteering... like SOMETHING....

[ceejayvinoya]

Idk what I should say about that.

Was I expected to do something like "omg he's scumreading me he must be scum"

I don't have anything concrete to say except that his read is wrong.

[ceejayvinoya]

Like forcing me to read somebody based on their read on me tires me

[ruru]

it's more like I would think you would want to know why he's scumreading you if you think he's town or before giving out a townread

[ceejayvinoya]

But he already said why?

Idk how exactly to remedy that other than to keep playing.

[skitter30]

also i'm noting that you're kinda downplaying my tonal read accuracy on you when we both know i can read you tonally

Yea im not seeing how someone wouldnt down play a "tonal" read. What does that even mean anyway? Looks like something to say without needing to support it

no, it means that i'm good at reading him tonally; i can cite him saying that if you need me too

what i meant by donwplaying is that he was using loaded words like 'doomed slot', which imply that i was only right there because his slot was in a bad place; i don't think that slot was 'doomed' though when he repped in; that's an exagerration and the way he used it kinda indicates that it's not particularly interesting or noteworthy that i caught him there given that the slot was scummy

Subject: American Presidents, the War Room Mafia PT

so skitter is highly aware that she already knows how to read me tonally so I might need to make a lot of noise for a bit

from the scum pt of that game; i'm not just making stuff up

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not rn no I'm just concerned you're undervaluing me.

you're very tunnelled on my slot and it doesn't feel like you're giving me any room to do my thing.

i mean i'm not actively death-tunneling you or pushing your lynch right now, and i did say that i think it could be because you haven't really gotten into a groove yet

i do think that you feel a bit off tho and i wanted to note taht

i also think that i can give you some space to catchup and that i don't know if you're my ideal lynch candidate atm because i would feel kinda bad if town!you got vigged before you really got into the game

and i think i know how to read you and that with a bit more time after you get into the game i can sort you confidentally

[FrankJaeger]

it's more like I would think you would want to know why he's scumreading you if you think he's town or before giving out a townread

Is this alignment indicative

[FrankJaeger]

these ones feel off tonally; i don't think i can explain it better than literally just 'feel off tonally'

Now how could anyone "downplay" this lmao

But when you say this you make it sound like it's your opinion. That's clearly his opinion.

So your read... is based on his reads... of your reads...

Not buying it.

[skitter30]

i don't even know what you're trying to say by that

my read isn't based on his reads of me; i didn't say or imply that anywhwere

i'm stating that him calling his slot in that game - american presidents mafia - a 'doomed slot' seems like loaded language to me because such language implies that i caught him because the slot itself was scummy becaue of his predecessor, not because of his own play; i don't think that's why i caught him given that i wasn't particularly scumreading his slot before he repped in, and i think it's an exagerration to describe his predecessor that way

i'm saying that in other places where he wasn't trying to mislead people as scum he said that he thinks i can read him tonally, so i think it's slightly disingenuous of him to accredit my read on his slot in that game on to his predecessor's play when i caught him on his play and that i should thus discount a toneread on him here

[Enigma]

do you know why tw is scumreading you?

Uh meta I guess? He never directly read me like this before.

CJ, I know you have played with tw before in ruru's open 722 as scum. Are there any other games where tw plays, where you have been scum? Interested to try to see where tw is coming from (as I only know town CJ).

ruru this was your game ... do you understand where tw is coming from?

[the worst]

i also think that i can give you some space to catchup and that i don't know if you're my ideal lynch candidate atm because i would feel kinda bad if town!you got vigged before you really got into the game

and i think i know how to read you and that with a bit more time after you get into the game i can sort you confidentally

I'll take this

who do you see as my scumbuddy/ies and who's my traitor? this setup is well suited to your analysis style imo, are you kinda sensing anything fishy?

[ruru]

I thought ceejay wasn't that scummy in 722 except for a specific thing that he hasn't done here (but that I wouldn't expect to show up frequently anyway)

I default scumread lurking but ceejay does it every game

I didn't have much of a read on him this game but I think his non-reaction to tw's read is scummy

so I'm not sure where tw is coming from

[ruru]

or "was" I should say

[skitter30]

i also think that i can give you some space to catchup and that i don't know if you're my ideal lynch candidate atm because i would feel kinda bad if town!you got vigged before you really got into the game

and i think i know how to read you and that with a bit more time after you get into the game i can sort you confidentally

I'll take this

who do you see as my scumbuddy/ies and who's my traitor? this setup is well suited to your analysis style imo, are you kinda sensing anything fishy?

i don't have strong associative-based reads right now

i think that traitor-hunting is silly given that i don't know if a traitor even exists (two stack-the-decks ago there wasn't a traitor, and i'm pretty sure that in the last one there wasn't either); i'm just looking for general scummy behavior

{creature}
{a50, vex}
{ruru, enigma}
{hws, bujaber} ---- > null
{gamma, cj}
{you}
{frank}

[the worst]

my creds with cjv incoming

mini normal 2021 - scum!tw & VT!cjv. he was the d1 mislynch
newbie 1878 - I was scum and a late rep in, witnessed d1 cjv lynch as town tracker
open 733 we were s/s with Ircher and had a perfect win and it was very, very funny
open 725 I was town seer cjv was werewolf, I caught his buddy n1 he survived and won
open 720 I was detective killed n1 cjv was VT lynched d2 (we don't talk about open 720)
Newbie 1870 I was vt and endgamed, cjv town tracker killed n1
newbie 1866 cjv was VT lynched d1, I survived and won as VT
Newbie 1882 I read, cjv was town mislynched
Open 730 I spectated, cjv was town RB and survived and won
Newbie 1864 I spectated, cjv was VT and survived and won