Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 1.17

Almost50 (3):

BuJaber, Gamma Emerald, FrankJaeger

HeWhoSwims (0):

the worst (0):

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

ceejayvinoya (4):

the worst, Almost50, ruru, Vex Vience

Enigma (0):

FrankJaeger (2):

Enigma, skitter30

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (1):

HeWhoSwims

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (2):

ceejayvinoya, Creature

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-10 09:40:00)

Other

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[ofrhz]

I think I'd prefer to hang sky, shoot frank, but even then I'm tentative on Frank
VOTE: Skygazer
HURT: frank

I'm not counting this vote, since Skygazer has been replaced.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'd prefer to hang sky, shoot frank, but even then I'm tentative on Frank
VOTE: Skygazer
HURT: frank

I'm not counting this vote, since Skygazer has been replaced.

VOTE: the worst

[Gamma Emerald]

i mean, for d1, what better information do we really have to work off of apart from hanging the scummiest one?
i agree, hanging the scummiest one each day isnt very optimal, but we dont know if sky is traitor.
i think sky is certainly scum, im not sure if shes traitor, but it would make sense on this if she is

my major thing for wanting frank lynch over sky lynch is that if we hang sky (the presumed traitor), we still have two groupscum left alive.
if we hang frank (the presumed groupscum member), we have a presumed traitor, and a groupscum still alive.
id much rather lose a potential vig kill n1 to ensure we get a vig kill n2 versus having two groupscum alive, and getting no vig kill n1/2 if that makes sense

this is the post that made me not on board with the vig plan anymore btw

[Gamma Emerald]

i also think that skys replaceout was tactical

Check Ban/Restrictions Announcement thread postgame then.

huh?

[Gamma Emerald]

FOS Buj as well but despite being a friend I don't have as strong a feel for his scumgame

skitter is pinging town on second impressions but I will only have a good read on her when I read the game chronologically T_T

explain the Bu fos?

[Enigma]

can we prod BJ

His vote on A50 is useless and I want to see where he puts it and why by EOD

[ofrhz]

BuJaber has been prodded

[Enigma]

I'm holding off voting for a Vig shot. My choice would greatly depend on the CJV flip AND who is on/off the wagon then.

That said, I'd recommend leaving Frank alone for tonight. Tomorrow we can pursue our quest in light of the flip(s) of both CJV and the night kill(s).

I don't like the vig plan anymore
traitor is bp right? so that means trying to vig the traitor probably isn't smart play, and that also means a lack of vig kill may lead to bad speculation about the setup.

So who do you think is the traitor then? And what makes you think the traitor exists?
You are voting sky based on vex's case, which said that sky/tw is probably the traitor - you are voting for this slot, which is the optimal play if that is correct. If you believe sky/tw is the traitor, then why disagree with the vig plan?

Any comments on tw's entrance and play so far?

[Enigma]

like you weren't like 'my point on a50 isn't valid so i now read him as ______ and i'm going to vote tw instead because i think his slot is scummy because _____'

you were like *quotes vex's sky case but don't talk about it at all* *votes sky who isn't even in this game anymore without talking about how you read her at all* *mentions that your point on a50 is invalid but don't explain how that affects how you read him*

like the thought process just seems kinda going-through-the-motions-y, not like something you thought about yourself naturally

Add in *completely omits mention of sky being replaced by duck, and comments on duck's play*

[Enigma]

*and doesn't comment on duck's play*

[Creature]

i also think that skys replaceout was tactical

Check Ban/Restrictions Announcement thread postgame then.

huh?

If Sky's replace out was tactical something will show up, but I don't think it is.

[ruru]

okay, I see what you mean about groupscum being a more valuable kill (I'm not sure yet if I agree) but even if that's the case we can lynch sky d2 and vig someone else

shooting someone you think is traitor is like 100% wrong.

this is one that feels off to me, not because of burnout, but just because it doesnt seem right
killing off groupscum is much better to do, because if they didnt recruit traitor, theres two disconnected mafia

Associative tells tend to get scum caught so even if you're right it's not obvious to me: maybe scum would perform better if they didn't know each other's alignments.

either way vigging a traitor is still completely, factually idiotic.

what makes you think frank is definitely scum and not just badtown

again, this post just feels off, why wouldnt ruru bring this up earlier, why only bring it up now?

my vote on frank was 70% policy and 30% scumread and I think sky ellitelling is probably much more scum-indicative

read the game before you call my posts scummy.

also, vig shot does have investigative utility:
player doesnt die: bp / traitor, meaning 100% of the time, they are scum
player does die: anything else

I'm a math major please just sheep me on this being the wrong way to think about the game

I will allcaps if I have to but I'd really rather not

[ruru]

my assets as a town player are being obvious town because I'm really bad at scum and making mechanically correct decisions

my reads tend to be mediocre and heavily rely on other people's opinions so I need those two things to succeed.

if you're trying to tilt me out of the game by undermining both of those assets then congrats.

[ruru]

whatevetr I'll read the rest later

[ruru]

I townread enigma now at least

[the worst]

FOS Buj as well but despite being a friend I don't have as strong a feel for his scumgame

skitter is pinging town on second impressions but I will only have a good read on her when I read the game chronologically T_T

oops I hard townread Antihero's early ISO
Read tentatively redacted

@Gamma I'm not feeling the Buj thing much anymore
want me to like go and try to work out what was going through my mind or

I don't want to

[ruru]

VOTE: frank
HURT: hws

ceejay wagon was fun but I think I'm back here

maybe leave tw alive today in case he's town, and if we actually arrive at a townread on tw then we can lynch ceejay with more certainty

ceejay is like nullscum to me but it's conceivable that scum.tw would try to push through a 1 for 1 with a lynchbaity player after replacing into an almost dead slot

they could also be s/s but anyway I don't want to lynch tw today and I don't think it actually makes sense to lynch ceejay when he's not as scummy as tw-slot

[Enigma]

I townread enigma now at least

I think I town read you too. For some reason I start games off scum reading you then it changes near end of D1

Anyways comments on a few other players I didn't mentioned earlier before eod and because its the weekend and I finally have some time (finished huge work project yesterday yay!)

Duck - Dunno sky was scummy, he might be scum (and he is good at playing scum so I can't figure him yet). Though he is good company so don't mind hanging around with him a few more days though wouldn't really want to see him in lylo (in this current gamestate)

A50 - On the deal with them at a later date as well, and at any rate if his complaining about his early night meta is correct (being targeted) we will figure out soon anyways

Vex - Town read through through sheer posting and activity. With the amount that he is posting, if he was scum I feel like it may be easy to notice - but haven't really seen that yet

Skitter - I can't read skitter future me problem

Creature - Not sure about this guy. (Also I just want to put it out there, you kinda think you might get NKd though I don't think this is certain. Scum could want to hunt TPRs, and no offence you haven't really put a lot of pressure in this game so far to really threaten scum.)

As mentioned earlier would like to see more content: HWS and BJ, both should be back from V/LA or prod soon hopefully before EOD.
Lynch/vig pool: {GE, CJ, Frank}

[the worst]

Ruru town so far

Also I'm 30% sure she's only √7 of a ¾ math major but don't sheep me on this

[Enigma]

Tbh, kinda just wanna keep tw because I haven't played with him yet

[the worst]

I'm gonna walk past a certain uni and say hi to some ducks later
A duck hung out with me near a fountain last night
so many duck friends

[Enigma]

Why are those ducks so nice to you? They always chase and quack at me.

[Enigma]

And also poo everywhere where people sit on those lawns

[the worst]

quack