Open 734: Paris Mafia (13-player variation) - Game Over

[GuiltyLion]

He wants to lynch me but with little in the way of why (that read goes back to me not jumping on a wagon on page 1 - something that is pretty standard for me and is clearly lazy) and ignores the mime and entertains the idea that lynching on the wagon would be a good idea - a wagon he is on.

see this is yet another scumpost from FA_Q2

- you haven't asked/engaged/thought about why I'm scumreading you at all, you just assume it's only what I've posted in thread. for the record I am scumreading you not at all for "not jumping on a wagon", but for early empty shade/fake scumhunting at both Thor and DT early game, a total lack of engagement with any of the more relevant threads of conversation, the laziest of all lazy sheeps onto the lane wagon at EOD, and your generally hostile/stiff tone. you also haven't expressed any townreads at all this game
- I was not on the lane wagon, so the second point makes no sense whatsoever

[GuiltyLion]

I think thor's actions yesterday make him a prime candidate for the other mime. GL is still pinging me hard as well. He wants to lynch me but with little in the way of why (that read goes back to me not jumping on a wagon on page 1 - something that is pretty standard for me and is clearly lazy) and ignores the mime and entertains the idea that lynching on the wagon would be a good idea - a wagon he is on.

wait unless all of this is about Thor and the thought about me is just sandwiched in there awkwardly?

that actually makes a lot more sense

[GuiltyLion]

{Nero, Jingle}
{Rocky, Eragon}
{iv}
{Aris, Thor, Fink, FA_Q2}

i'm thinking mime and both mafia are in that bottom tier but not particularly confident on a mime vs mafia read for any of them yet

[Thor665]

I think thor's actions yesterday make him a prime candidate for the other mime.

Is there any reason for that outside of me scumreading a slot that was intentionally trying to be scumread and pointing it out?
If it's just 'Thor is on the wagon' yeah, I get the point, though singling me out seems awkward - but is there more to this case you're trying to sell here?
Because I don't think there is, and would challenge you to prove me wrong.

From the moment I replaced in you were shading me for keeping my vote on sesq when you wanted it on lane instead. The simple explanation of "I find sesq scummier even if you don't" wasn't good enough.

Your explanation was far weaker than that at the time since I asked 'why' and you responded with nothing - and I was shading you for the weak explanation and unwillingness to move, not specifically for where the vote was.
How is any of that not me scumhunting exactly?

[Thor665]

Frankly, as I recall, I was willing to get you onto DT too - is he my other Mime partner?

[Aristophanes]

In order:
Hypo claim means we all claim who we would have seen targeting whom last night.





Goddammit man, why do I always want to lynch you?

I don't know, but it's not just you XD

[Eragon]

{Nero, Jingle}
{Rocky, Eragon}
{iv}
{Aris, Thor, Fink, FA_Q2}

i'm thinking mime and both mafia are in that bottom tier but not particularly confident on a mime vs mafia read for any of them yet

these reads are solid.

[RockyHorror]

Frankly, as I recall, I was willing to get you onto DT too - is he my other Mime partner?

Except you really weren't pushing DT.

Also, would you vote either Lane or DT over Sesq? I would happily argue that the extent of the case on Sesq could be applied to either of them by simply changing the names, and then I've presented other aspects against both of them in addition to the Sesq case - so wouldn't that make my push on both of them superior to the Sesq one?

This is the only time you attempted to get me to switch to DT (and even then you offered lane as another alternative), but after this you never actively pushed a lynch for the slot. You said later on he would be an "okay" lynch, but you spent most of the rest of the day tunneling on lane.

How do you compare that from Sesq with, for example the nearly identical behavior of Lane who voted me for reasons he can't describe, attacked me for reasons he couldn't support, went back to the non-describable reasons, then hard moved to Sesq in support of your basically unexplained case there?

I don't know where you're getting that from. I specifically said that I was okay with a lane vote because of his lack of activity, and even mentioned that I saw him potentially buddying me with his sesq vote. I just think my vote is better positioned as is at the moment.

I was being fairly clear I thought - I quoted you describing your primary Sesq suspicion and made a direct compare/contrast of it to Lane's play and asked why one was a primary suspect and the other was kind of a "meh" read by your own words.
It's great that you suspect him, I think you *should* suspect him. What I want to know is why I can't get your vote on him when the case is basically identical to your other case - and the extent of your answer is "my current vote is better positioned" which is nonsense because the best you've argued for that is "pressure to get content" and, frankly, Lane could do with that just as much as Sesq could, so again - what's the point in not moving if asked?

@Lane - I'm amazed that there is difficulty getting a wagon on you.

I most certainly am noticing that. But what's not amazing to me, is people not jumping from a leading wagon to a non wagon for essentially the same case.

Yeah, but that they chose Sesq over you is a thing.

Probably done engaging with Thor for a while.

[Thor665]

If that case represents your best argument I'm fine with dropping it also.
It's pretty laughable.

[innocentvillager]

sorry im pretty behind but basically i have no reads since sesq and a50 died and they were the ones i had reads on

[Fink]

uh, if I were scum you'd realize I'd have no need at all to post the fact that I thought I might die?

By that logic scum have no need to post anything.

[Fink]

sorry im pretty behind but basically i have no reads since sesq and a50 died and they were the ones i had reads on

Other people have reads, what do you think of them?

[Thor665]

Dead thread is dead.

[Aristophanes]

Dead thread is dead.

How do you know?
You're not dead yet!

[Thor665]

How do you know I'm not dead?
Sounds like you have a kill power - mafia found.

[Aristophanes]

Shiiiiiit ya got me! XD

[Thor665]

I'll expect my Scummie noms to start rolling in.

[Aristophanes]

You've got my vote!

[Aristophanes]

I'm not really caught up, but Thor, do you think that case by Rocky makes him scummy or makes him just laughable?

[Fink]

So does anyone have any thoughts at all on what I'm saying about GL?

I'm saying that his feeling that he might die seems like an easy thing to say as an excuse for not having more to say and a feeling he might generally have but didn't make sense if he was actually paying attention to how yesterday went. Does anyone think GL was the likely kill?

GL responds that he has no reason to say that as scum, which is just the most weak-ass response ever. And scum would never say they thought they'd be the NK? Really? Does anyone think that's a good response?

Eragon seemed to agree that this was weird but is more interested in saying how good GL's reads are.

[Fink]

The whole point of having a "fake" day is so that we get people interacting with each other and talking about what cases are good and bad, for the benefit of the vig and for the benefit of later days. If we're not going to do that we may as well just end the day and not burn everyone out, but I really think we should get 2 wagons going so if the vig isn't one of the arrogant hyper-confident-in-their-reads players, they could choose between them. We don't need to fake lynch someone, but getting to that stage where we have the two wagons and no one wants to budge seems very useful. Sitting around seeing who can get prodded first less so.

[Jingle]

Eh. It’s a weak scumread reason, more indicative of not paying any attention to the thread than anything else imo. The response is dumb (why avoid claiming NAI tells as scum) but I don’t think it’s so much scummy as lazy here. And lazy has pretty much been established.

[Fink]

It’s not like we have to differentiate Mime from Mafia here by the way, not-town is good enough because we’re not actually lynching.

“Vote” Count

FA_Q2 (2?):

Nero, GL?

GuiltyLion (1):

Fink

Not even “vote”ing (7):

Jingle, Thor, Eragon, FA_Q2, Rocky, IV, Aristo
9 Alive

Thor for scummie (2):

Thor, Aristo

[Fink]

Eh. It’s a weak scumread reason, more indicative of not paying any attention to the thread than anything else imo. The response is dumb (why avoid claiming NAI tells as scum) but I don’t think it’s so much scummy as lazy here. And lazy has pretty much been established.

It's almost like we're back to that point right after RVS, weak reads are the strongest reads anyone has on anyone. But if it isn't an open-and-shut case no one wants to talk about it.

[Fink]

Actually, Jingle, I feel like you're dismissing that response a bit too easily. It's not not claiming an NAI tell, it's responding with "why would I say that as scum?" to something that any player not paying attention might very well say.

I think that's a bit stronger than you're making out.