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[ruru]

Start of page 6, going to sleep

I think you should claim first then

[ejjinami]

VOTE: ruru

ok idk any of u but i did some theorizing pregame
mafia likely took two modifiers pregame, joat and daytalk meaning we have at most 4 townprs.

No offense but imo theorizing like this is kinda pointless; its basically impossible to know what scum has picked at this stage of the game; i think its a bit premature to guess the number of prs we have or what scum picked

I do agree that they prob didnt take three modifiers

scum don't know what powers town are going to get and joat is useless against many of them; 1s ninja is useless if tracker isn't in the game, even then it's only worth one shot. 1s strongman is good against bg; i don't know how strongman and rb interact but again it's only one shot while town is given full tracker/bg/rb

(well i suppose to be fair it's good against goon cop)

on balnace i don't think it's worth it for scum to take prs when they don't know which prs town will get or how those prs stack up against scum's prs

like i think any 4 of {tracker/bg/ic/rb/vig/goon cop} is kinda weak against scum joat from a scum perspective, as is 5 of the town prs against joat + daytalk

the only scum modification that i think is kinda worth giving town more prs as scum is daytalk and that's like the only one i'd take i think as scum

Skitter writing that "

theorizing about the setup is useless

", while placing such attention on it later is noted.
Considering her motivation and attention to detail in her posts later, I think it’s kinda unlikely that she didn’t bother considering the setup when someone already wrote their theories about it

The first post doesn't feel sincere. Possibly mimicking another, more experienced player (not necessarily AI) or aiming for some sort of lamist wifom
(Sort of: “People sometimes say that talking about mechanics is LAMIST/useless/scum motivated, so I’ll do the opposite. That should be a more townie move).
That's not a strong read though

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[snipped most of the setup reasoning posts… -_-
I agree with mafia having no use of scum PRs if they don’t plan on having the [daychat / maf traitor] updates.
I was going to say that if there’s ever a maf PR flip, I’d lean on there being an additional town PR (other than the IC)
(cuz of the combination of [flipped maf PR]+[day talk / maf goon]= [IC]+[random PR])

but seeing the statistics made me lose faith in it… god, that’s just dumb, that’s just seriously dumb, but lol]

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Vex seems to be very enthusiastic early on in a way that isn’t very productive. That’s only the first few posts, but I didn’t get a great first impression tbh

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to answer ur points:
if i do say im an alt, what does that mean for u?
out of 6 prs, joat counters 3 of them: tracker because ninja, bg and rber because strongman, (strongman ignores bg and rber)
also i do agree that daytalk is something scum will 100% take however i feel that joat may be a very close second pick
i dont think scum would wanna take bp or recruit traitor because with 3 modifiers, the odds of vig appearing is 47%, basically a coinflip, and regardless its a useless modifier
vig just outs themselves once they hit a bp and then the bp mafia goon flips
sure if theres an rber that could fuck things up a bit but thats so unlikely that its negliable
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also to expand on why i dont think maf would recruit traitor:
it puts them down a mod first off, plus if theres no vig (and they took two mods), they can instantly tell if they hit the traitor barring any rber fucking with their results
traitor is 1s bp, and if the person they hit didnt die and they know they werent rb'd, they know instantly who the traitor is
i could see scum taking it as a third mod if they really really wanted it, but other than that, i highly doubt they would’ve recruited traitor
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i think scum were very likely to take:
daytalk, joat and rolecop if they took three
i don't think they did, and im 100% sure they did take daytalk meaning for me its between {joat/rc} for scum second mod

Vex’s ideas about the setup seem stupidly honest. -_- I don’t think he’s faking the confidence in his logic, so if he’s scum I think it’s likely that he doesn’t have teammates that would be able to correct him.
That’s giving me more town vibes though. The logic has a really honest vibe to it and I think it’s unlikely that scum would be so enthusiastic to give out the role list choices, especially with that level of confidence. (ugh, mostly taking that back cuz of the statistics… but I got mostly townie vibes from him anyways, so the read doesn’t really change much)

[the worst]

In short, some of her posts made me feel that she cares a lot about her tone and about the way other people see her. There are stuff which indicate that she put in effort to make her posts “tonally good” or “tonally read in only one way”, which is generally more scum than town motivated.

can you throw me some quotes which support this? i'm not totally convinced i see it coming from scum before it comes from town but would be keen to get in behind your eyes here

setup stuff is 5% interesting in this particular setup
for example scum taking no powers whatsoever is slightly beneficial for scum
as scum depending on who my partner was (if they were someone i prolly wouldn't jam super well with for example) i'd probably take recruit traitor and nothing else
if they were someone i have really good synergy w and wanna play scum with i'd take daytalk and nothing else


but ya there's a billion different opinions on which powers to take/not take in this setup so whatever

back to getting red flips

[ejjinami]

Start of page 6, going to sleep

I think you should claim first then

If I don't need to, then I wouldn't want to claim. That's not meant to be a soft btw
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Regardless of my role, I'm town, so giving out my role as VT would only make it easier for scum to PR-hunt (if there are any additional PRs) and I obviously shouldn't claim as a PR.

I don't really care how scummy my previous slot owner was, if I manage to save the slot without having to claim, then it's obviously more beneficial than if I do claim

so nah

[the worst]

dat's one sassy cow

[ejjinami]

In short, some of her posts made me feel that she cares a lot about her tone and about the way other people see her. There are stuff which indicate that she put in effort to make her posts “tonally good” or “tonally read in only one way”, which is generally more scum than town motivated.

can you throw me some quotes which support this? i'm not totally convinced i see it coming from scum before it comes from town but would be keen to get in behind your eyes here :P

setup stuff is 5% interesting in this particular setup
for example scum taking no powers whatsoever is slightly beneficial for scum
as scum depending on who my partner was (if they were someone i prolly wouldn't jam super well with for example) i'd probably take recruit traitor and nothing else
if they were someone i have really good synergy w and wanna play scum with i'd take daytalk and nothing else


but ya there's a billion different opinions on which powers to take/not take in this setup so whatever

back to getting red flips

ehh, there's not that much of it, but wait a sec... it's 5.50 AM rn... and I'm not really thinking
I just have to do a grammar check and I'll post the rest

and yeah, not that it matters, but I'd most prob aim for a mountaineous setup as scum here
either that or 1 update max, but lol. ┐(￣ヘ￣)┌

[ejjinami]

dat's one sassy cow

why am I scum?
let's talk about that first

or if you think the logic is wrong, then we can talk about it
not sure how much longer will I manage to stay awake though, but lol, go for it

[the worst]

i'll be real, i can't even remember who you replaced rn

[ejjinami]

i'll be real, i can't even remember who you replaced rn

f-sth, I don't remember his name
but he's the main wagon rn, so there should be a lot of reads him

[the worst]

OHHH FraJa

[the worst]

I'm not totally sure if I'm honest he just kinda feels lynchable

someone I'm TRing really wanted him dead, I wanna say skitter maybe had some kinda solve around his flip??

[ejjinami]

This game is so easy. Skygazer, Antihero & FrankJaeger are the perpetrators.

VOTE: Skygazer

Pretending to counting the stars and not paying attention to what's going on in this room. Well, you are staring at the CEILING!!! Those are SPOTLIGHTS up there. Nice try though.

Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.

@ruru: Scum can't claim a TPR bc I rolled ALL TPRs (with the exception of Creature's IC). :P
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Also, what do you think about my case on Sky? I think it's very convincing and I would appreciate your vote there. Thank you.

Whoever casts the third vote on Sky gets a free pass from me for the rest of the day!

I’m also kinda getting the vibe that Alm’s early read on skygazer wasn’t a honest one. His TR on vex was written in a serious tone, so I see absolutely no reason for town to fake a joking tone in a serious SR.
His early reads on her are either shitposts or really shitty reaction tests.

P.Edit:
The read might have been wrong, cuz he did explain the read in his posts later. Rn it feels a bit more like a planned reaction test / seeing who’d jump on the wagon, but it doesn’t really give me a solid read.
(feels rather planed than spontaneous and that’s generally likely to come from meta, not necessarily alignment)
But tbh as of this page I’d say he’s fine. Dunno if I’m being overly cautious cuz I’m tired, or w/e, but the read can stay like that for a while

That’s def not SvS btw, regardless of the possible traitor.

Ok, first one that I tripped on (not the one I was looking for, but it'll do). We (myself and Chara as a hydra) were revealed as the IC, and we received 2 votes on page one. NSG wasn't Scum (actually she was the Cop, and sometimes.. just sometimes.. TPRs do some scummy stuff). Elmo was the other vote and she was indeed scum.

But that's NOT my only point. I have 2 other points against Sky now: Her meta and her Traitor claim. I;ve already explained the later. As for her meta, I think skitter (for one) would agree this isn't the way way Sky enters her games as a Townie. She tends to be pushing the game forward from the word go. It'd make my like much easier if you just went to her profile and clicked her topics and took a look on how Town Sky usually enters the game. This is some weird entrance by her to say the least. She's likely the Traitor and she simply didn't know how to play it.

That read doesn’t come from scum on scum imo.

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And yeah, I agree with ruru being ok for now.

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Enigma is still doing nothing. That’s ok fn, cuz it’s the beginning of the game and he’s more or less reacting to random stuff, but that has to get better later on. Looked through one of his latest town games, in which he seemed to lurk a lot more, rather than shit-post, but idek if that’s AI
But again… it’s up to page 6… so idek why I’m writing that tbh

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Nothing good from antihero early on

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Skitters’s case on ruru is good imo. Not sure how it influences my read on him, but wanted to note it

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There were a lot of votes on skygazer, but tbh I doubt it’s AI. Defending her in from her early game shit-posts would have been risky (regardless of her role), so the situation wouldn’t be weird regardless of her alignment and the alignment of the voters

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Meta note: A lot of skitter’s posts give me the feeling that she’s a player who tends to care about how her posts look like.

what do u expect from town!ruru?

i don't know exactly; it's still gut and i need more from her but i'll try to explain

i expect town!ruru to be more opionated/stubborn almost? like if she thinks you're wrong about the pr stuff i kinda expect a long novel about why exactly you're wrong. like she wasn't as forceful about it as i'd expect her to be if that makes sense

i said a couple of times that i wanted to pressure her and i kinda expect town!her to engage with that in some way, or to like respond to me? she knows i can locktown her pretty easily as town so avoiding that feels kinda wrong?

i think scum!her doesn't really want to engage me i think (given newbie 1859 where i caugth her and she just didn't want to have arguments with me; read the scum pt ; + open 721 iirc where i was able to locktown her on like three posts in rvs)

and in 721 we mindmelded pretty hard as town so i think town!her engages me and i think scum!her probably doesn't want to

fe, the beginning of that one was most prob heavily worked on.
It feels more like a story than random/spontaneous thoughts
You can even tell the tone clearly in the first sentences, which is REALLY rare in posts that weren’t tonally worked on
Possible cautious/try-hard scum
I might be a bit too tunnely here, cuz tbh I don’t think she did anything extremely bad, but I don’t really trust that atm

ugh P.Edit: Now that I'm reading it, she did write that her read was mostly gut. It would kinda make sense for her to work on the case more than usually, cuz she would have been forcing herself to write it anyways
the analysis should be good, but it's not as ai anymore -_- kinda missed that before

[ejjinami]

In short, some of her posts made me feel that she cares a lot about her tone and about the way other people see her. There are stuff which indicate that she put in effort to make her posts “tonally good” or “tonally read in only one way”, which is generally more scum than town motivated.

can you throw me some quotes which support this? i'm not totally convinced i see it coming from scum before it comes from town but would be keen to get in behind your eyes here :P

and lol, I misread that post too -_-
I understood that you see my point of view, but it's not enough… I'll prob have to reread the posts tomorrow, cuz I'd be surprised if there wasn't more of it

regardless of the case, why do you think caring about the tone of the posts comes from town rather than scum?

[ejjinami]

and fck, 6:30 AM
gn, should have prob done that sooner

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it bad to mention that I think the Vex Frank argument was sorta stupid and that I think scum in general would be bad off arguing against it as hard as Frank did? Except if it's bussing?

I think that’s a fair statement to make coming back into the thread actually

[Gamma Emerald]

I currently have magikarp as a pet

though if I ever decide to make psyduck my pet I could name it after you

Ducklett works better imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Start of page 6, going to sleep

I think you should claim first then

If I don't need to, then I wouldn't want to claim. That's not meant to be a soft btw
┐(￣ヘ￣)┌
Regardless of my role, I'm town, so giving out my role as VT would only make it easier for scum to PR-hunt (if there are any additional PRs) and I obviously shouldn't claim as a PR.

I don't really care how scummy my previous slot owner was, if I manage to save the slot without having to claim, then it's obviously more beneficial than if I do claim

so nah

I think this mindset is town-oriented, I replaced into a newbie with a similar mindset (was SE/IC level replacing a newb slot iirc)

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE: Ejjinami

[BuJaber]

Start of page 6, going to sleep

I think you should claim first then

If I don't need to, then I wouldn't want to claim. That's not meant to be a soft btw
┐(￣ヘ￣)┌
Regardless of my role, I'm town, so giving out my role as VT would only make it easier for scum to PR-hunt (if there are any additional PRs) and I obviously shouldn't claim as a PR.

I don't really care how scummy my previous slot owner was, if I manage to save the slot without having to claim, then it's obviously more beneficial than if I do claim

so nah

I think this mindset is town-oriented, I replaced into a newbie with a similar mindset (was SE/IC level replacing a newb slot iirc)

What would you expect scum's mindset to be here?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’d expect them to be more slippery about it
Ejjinami seems to be taking the burden on his shoulders

[ruru]

it's interesting that ejjinami + frank both scumread skitter, whose posts tend to naturally get townread by town
probably >rand scum regardless of skitter's alignment?

I do kind of want more ejji posts but we have serious deadline issues if ceejay's slot fills

[ruru]

why is everyone so hard to townread in this game

[ruru]

ejji's posting is otherwise kinda townish though

Whatever

gamma is probably town

VOTE: bujaber

enigma push feels extremely lazy from someone who's played with town.enigma before

one big wall + lots of explaining the wall but not really doing anything else is probably the easiest posting style for scum to fake

I kinda think scum are a bit more likely to be too busy to catch up quickly too; business is a question of priorities

Sky - start was overly jokey in a way that's very in-your-face. Seems like something that only comes from relaxed town. 89 made me laugh. 452 good town list for this point in the game. I hate 595. Big post from Vex about sky is quite convincing.

It still feels weird that she's being so obvscum. TW's entrance seems pretty good though. Coupled with the too scummy to be scum thing I say this is likely to be a townslot.

also this is really bad

[BuJaber]

What's bad about the bolded? I acknowledge her posting was weird but overall the reasons to townread her outweigh the reasons to scumread her.

As for enigma yes we just finished our first game together as far as I recall and yes he was town and maybe he grabbed some pagetops there but he was not on a personal mission to grab pagetops like he seems to be on here. It felt more casual/situational in that game instead of deliberate.

[Enigma]

What's bad about the bolded? I acknowledge her posting was weird but overall the reasons to townread her outweigh the reasons to scumread her.

As for enigma yes we just finished our first game together as far as I recall and yes he was town and maybe he grabbed some pagetops there but he was not on a personal mission to grab pagetops like he seems to be on here. It felt more casual/situational in that game instead of deliberate.

Dude when the game first started I made a few page top grabs, mainly to get back at ofrhz for taunting me pregame about pagetops. Outside of the first rl day I've only made two page top posts (because I kinda got bored and forgot about it). The fact that you are still pushing this one issue whilst largely ignoring the rest of my post confounds me.

I'm not so keen on lynching the ejji if he is making an effort rn, so would prefer to give him the opportunity to catchup and post, and I'll try to re-read his slot tomorrow.

I will do this in the meantime though
VOTE: Bujaber