NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Lapsa]

Because even if you don’t you can say “everything”. As I see it you’re just continuing to be a snake.

no, you are snake! everything snake err... snake everything!

[davesaz]

An explanation of why I suspect Umlaut (now Saudade):
So my first game with Umlaut I recall someone making a similar RVS vote. I don't recall the alignment of that person (my first thought is that they were probably town) but I do recall someone somewhere saying that sort of reasoning for an RVS vote is scummy.
I'm explaining this not so much to convince anyone as of yet, but more to open the discussion to where if I'm wrong, people can refute me.

Painfully awkward. So awkward that I think it's likely to be genuinely so, and not an act. He sees something that he vaguely remembers having been called scummy in another context, but can't remember the context or probably the explanation of why. And he's aware that it could either be important or silly, and if it's silly it will make him look bad as a person and in the game. So he approaches it very cautiously by indirectly asking if it's a load of bull or the real deal. Being uncertain on the validity of the "tell" isn't AI though, people are uncertain about all kinds of things. And being worried about being uncertain isn't AI either.

I may have mentioned this already, but outside of the awkwardness, it's rather funny that anyone read anything into Umlaut's vote because it was clearly a RVS joke about how Umlaut (and almost everyone else) ends up voting mislynchbait me at some point.

Looking at some possible motivation of the post from both alignments:

town!Gamma makes this post because if he's remembering things right it shows that someone else (Mala I think) may also be town and he's onto Umlaut as possible scum, where if a bunch of people say it's meaningless then perhaps (Mala?) is scum.

scum!Gamma makes this post to plant seeds for an Umlaut mislynch while trying to avoid responsibility or make a commitment until he knows whether it flies or not. It is site meta to automatically and vehemently scumread people for this potential motivation, but I'm not named "site meta".

How does scum!Gamma make this type of post knowing the type of backlash it generates? OTOH ditto for town!Gamma. It probably isn't well though out, probably written in a hurry and submitted without a re-read and edit. Hence it's probably a quick reply to something -- reviewing it in isolation is inadequate, and I having taken time to actually process it I probably would not base a push or read (either way) on this post alone.

The people who insist that any waffling post is fence sitting and scummy are now prompted to rip me up for posting my thoughts.

[Gamma Emerald]

I may have mentioned this already, but outside of the awkwardness, it's rather funny that anyone read anything into Umlaut's vote because it was clearly a RVS joke about how Umlaut (and almost everyone else) ends up voting mislynchbait me at some point.

This actually is a decent point. I’d ask Umlaut about this but he’s not here so I’ll give him botd here

[tictac]

How does scum!Gamma make this type of post knowing the type of backlash it generates? OTOH ditto for town!Gamma. It probably isn't well though out, probably written in a hurry and submitted without a re-read and edit

So ya seen this type of awkward from scum-gamma then? I tend to think genuine=town generally, so kinda pulled in 2 directions on that read.

[Lapsa]

How does scum!Gamma make this type of post knowing the type of backlash it generates?

^ here's where your excuse fails, dave

[davesaz]

Define excuse?

Reading back from that point I think it’s genuine and town. Is there a different reason to suspect gamma?
Hitting the shower y’all can discuss while I’m gone.

[tictac]

Is there a different reason to suspect gamma?

yeah..

[tictac]

VOTE: Scion
This is scum too tho, and makes my head hurt less.
fatrt noises.

[Lapsa]

@dave afaik you are leaning town!Gamma

fine, whatever

yet you shouldn't be basing such lean on:
- scum!Gamma would know his post would cause backlash
- town!Gamma wrote his post in a hurry

which is why I'm calling it an excuse

[Scioness Sajj]

So why aren’t you voting me?

I can't vote both at the same time

+ it doesn't have to be that ai just silly thing to do

[Nosferatu]

lick my balls you defensive emo scum dumbfuck. go ahead and replace out to another dimension

im not gonna lie this came out of nowhere and i fucking laughed so hard i think i punctured a lung

[Scioness Sajj]

can we stop trying to make this game even more miserable thanks

[Completly Trustworthy]

Tictac, what is this other reason you think Gamma is scum? Also, why did you change your vote? What makes Scioness more scummy than Gamma to you?

[Nosferatu]

How does scum!Gamma make this type of post knowing the type of backlash it generates?

the simpler explanation is that gamma is simply an awkward person. I don't see how playing as either alignment would change that aspect of him.

can we stop trying to make this game even more miserable thanks

ill pretend to accept any responsibility for stuff that happened while i was sleeping. good talk my dude.

[Nosferatu]

will vote whoever in {gamma, dave, sajj} has the most votes btw

[davesaz]

@dave afaik you are leaning town!Gamma

fine, whatever

yet you shouldn't be basing such lean on:
- scum!Gamma would know his post would cause backlash
- town!Gamma wrote his post in a hurry

which is why I'm calling it an excuse

Actually for those two specific things you're calling out, I said I can't judge the slot on that specific post anyway.
And technically what I said in the next post was that the things Gamma did immediately before 192 made 192 lean a little town. Or at least that's what I meant by it.
Tictac's other reason, whatever it is, might be adequate to tip the lean the other way. Leaning is very accurate as a modifier.

[davesaz]

I might be wrong on Nosferatu. People who scumread me for bad reasons turned up scum in 4/4 of the most recent games I was in, on this and an alt. Gambler's fallacy applies though so Nos might just be the odd one out who is simply bad.

[Nosferatu]

oh? how are they bad?

[davesaz]

Remind me, not sure you’ve given a coherent one.

[Scioness Sajj]

My gut reads are not at all like that. Comments on this from others please?

i guess what gamma means is that the rvs vote itself isn't really that ai but he feels it's more likely coming from scum

[Nosferatu]

Remind me, not sure you’ve given a coherent one.

how's my reason supposed to be bad if you don't even know it

[davesaz]

By definition all reasons are bad given I'm town.

TBH I don't even know if you've given a reason. I'm going to work. You can do us all a favor by enlightening me and the thread, or you can be an ass and make me look it up when I'm not working.
Guess which one I'm betting on.

[Gamma Emerald]

My gut reads are not at all like that. Comments on this from others please?

i guess what gamma means is that the rvs vote itself isn't really that ai but he feels it's more likely coming from scum

no
the RVS vote felt AI and I had a reason for it, but I had a gut "this looks wrong" feeling, rather than actually feeling like it was logical.
Maybe I should just use illogical in place of gut from now on
...
Wait what. What the fuck am I, Spock? (fyi I think the idea is fine I just wanted to make that joke)

[Gamma Emerald]

By definition all reasons are bad given I'm town.

TBH I don't even know if you've given a reason. I'm going to work. You can do us all a favor by enlightening me and the thread, or you can be an ass and make me look it up when I'm not working.
Guess which one I'm betting on.

Why would you say he has bad reasons then?

[Lapsa]

Spoiler: not related

Remind me, not sure you’ve given a coherent one.

how's my reason supposed to be bad if you don't even know it

By definition all reasons are bad given I'm town.

TBH I don't even know if you've given a reason. I'm going to work. You can do us all a favor by enlightening me and the thread, or you can be an ass and make me look it up when I'm not working.
Guess which one I'm betting on.

Why would you say he has bad reasons then?

9:11 pm
9:17 pm

HEY DAEV!!! I HAS NEWS FOR YOU!

YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE CASE NOSFORATU W/O KNOWING IT!!!11