A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Rylai and Lina]

[Rylai and Lina]

So for all purposes Rylai = Frozen Angel = Sora

and Lina = Shiro = Shiro

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

yes I'm sora and shiro is shiro

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so mastina do you have a plan for using your gladiate or what?

also are you trying to convince you should not be seen as town for the way you claimed to others? like how is that the most important thing for you right now?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Ok I actually think what mastina claimed might be legit. I need to write down scenarios of the way it can interact with my role and talk about this to shiro more.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I really can't talk about this more atm but this is just weird. I'm going to sleep thinking about this.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I don't know which head I'm talking to but hi o/

and jjh there might be mechanical reasons that makes that claim useful for scum and for town

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I really need to sleep -.-

I'm a mess rn.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Sora is frozen angel yes

shiro is shiro

I posted my guide in the post right before that!

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Nii....... Too many..... People.

[Rylai and Lina]

Insufficient..... Data, to properly.... Analyse.

[Rylai and Lina]

My analysis says..... Town potential.

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm at page 6 or something like that. I totally forgot I was in a game on ms that I must check and I haven't been talking to shiro about this :faceplam:

On the other hand I have some guests over tonight in my house and I must prepare things and dinner and don't have time to catch up right now. but I'll check things first thing tomorrow morning and I'm setting an alarm on my phone for this game.

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm at page 6 or something like that. I totally forgot I was in a game on ms that I must check and I haven't been talking to shiro about this :faceplam:

On the other hand I have some guests over tonight in my house and I must prepare things and dinner and don't have time to catch up right now. but I'll check things first thing tomorrow morning and I'm setting an alarm on my phone for this game.

obviously ~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I'M BACK and reading this finally. gonna start from first page cause last time I read first 6 pages it was really late

I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.

I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator

.
Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.

I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...

OK Serious question: when you say if they are not town it will fail do you mean the gladiate will not happen or that the gladiate will happen and you will get lynched

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

JJH flip flop on mastina gives the vibe that he was not prepared for the claim so its likely that they are not w-w but I'm not confident to even bet on that. I still have them both at null pile here.

Also this is the proper time to use this gif not last time

As I also said that night, I don't like how mastina was fighting against people who were saying her role is towny by pushing the "Role != alignment" narrative at all. it feels forced and over the top.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

who seemed forced? sorry

mastina when she was doing self meta and making posts about how role!= alignment to go against people who were saying her role is towny.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

So here is the thing I feared that night. we have a modifier that will help us strongly if someone gladiates us. What if she is lieing about being loyal thing or is saying that cause she is scum and she has a modifier like that. also why should I have the modifier if the gladiator is town.

~Sora

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but yeah Idk why she would claim when the danger of role cop might exist so I give that claim some validity.

~Sora

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Why the fuck are you rolefishing

Who was role fishing?

~Sora

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anime gifs are a towntell btw

TW, made a comparable post in Heroes - something about someone’s posts giving him warm fuzzy feels or something and he flipped town.

In any case, early townblocking is more likely to be townie, so long as it’s not over the top.

This can't be serious

nancy randing scum two games in the row and dumb telling the same way?

VOTE: Innocent Children

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

anime gifs are a towntell btw

This is called a joke

You can be town though, IC

I can't believe this thought process about that post is real.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

rando isnt tw

Obviously not but I don’t recall scum!random doing much of this in Labrynth - townblocking. Whether it’s AI or not would depend probably on how much of it he does.

calling something a towntell isnt townblocking
plus i think rando was joking

Looking for town tells, isn’t townblocking?

But if he was joking, then yeah, NAI.

"But if he was joking, then yeah, NAI."

This is Fake

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

did you just say if he was joking

glad to see someone else is not blind.

anime gifs are a towntell btw

This is called a joke

Do you speak for random?

I can't even ...

Nancy is NOT a naive player who can't understand jokes. Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

wanting to look like they're being a townie gamesolving

No

she does this to look like whatever she looks like after that. she wants to make people underestimate her. It's her thing.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

anime gifs are a towntell btw

TW, made a comparable post in Heroes - something about someone’s posts giving him warm fuzzy feels or something and he flipped town.

In any case, early townblocking is more likely to be townie, so long as it’s not over the top.

This can't be serious

nancy randing scum two games in the row and dumb telling the same way?

VOTE: Innocent Children

~Sora

That’s because I didn’t. Do I have to replace out of every game you’re in to avoid being mislynched?

Serious question.

Where did I ever mislynch you?

and I'm treating you like a good player now. don't you like the compliment? I strongly believe that you were faking this attitude just like you were faking it in last game.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

wanting to look like they're being a townie gamesolving

Like...

your tone here is screaming fake to me. I don't even understand how couldn't more people call you out then

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

From town to scum:

Spoiler: Alive:

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
16) Vaxkiller
17) Wh4t
18) Ginngie
19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu
21) jjh927
22) randomidget

why am I 12?

idk im a little salty RC put me at 8 myself

well, I'm not salty at all. I'm where I should be. always XD

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Gawd, first the fake Nero daykill and now this? Is it too much to fucking ask to be judged on my play in THIS game? First SB freaking deathtunels me in Sukilmas and now this?

I'm pushing you based on your play in this and nothing else. What sb did to you in Sukilmas is irrelevant.

You faked being naive to make people townread you. yes or no?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

I mean, you didn't pick up on random's fairly obvious joke and took it seriously, and then you still didn't really pick up on it when 2-3 people insisted it was a joke, then you didn't pick up on Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, twice.

Oh and the savage thing was me saying that Nos was being a savage and also because he flavourclaimed A it was wordplay

So your track record is pretty bad rn, I've got to say

And it didn't occur to you that she is faking this attitude to make you underestimate her?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Occam's Razor. If a role provides no utility for town in any theory, then it's scum. If there's no scum utility, it's probably town. Those suppose honesty. Yet marina's claim makes zero sense for town as claimed. It does not help scum either. Given mods do not design roles that lack utility, we're looking at mastina lying about some part of her claim or something novel that mastina role counters.

This is a strange line of thinking to evaluate roles but it's a titusy way of doing that so it warms my heart a little bit about titus.

Mastina role is most definitly incomplete and I think that the last part is the part that shows what alignment it is not what was claimed. but yeah I still see no reason for scum her to claim like this unless if she wants to use the gladiate.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

wanting to look like they're being a townie gamesolving

Like...

your tone here is screaming fake to me. I don't even understand how couldn't more people call you out then

~Sora

Yeah, well I get told that a lot as town, so that’s completely NAi. “More people” actually don’t have a bias based one ONE freaking game. Wtf happened to every single other game I’ve been town in on here or MU. Why don’t you actually familiarize yourself with my meta or is that too much to ask of you?

I played with both town you and scum you. The points I made has nothing to do with your meta. What meta adds to this is that: I saw you faking this attitude as scum once before so if you're town this time and you're doing this, you're faking it for credit and it's still not real.

so which one is it?

~Sora

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Nero very slight towny from that fake shooting thing

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

One of us 4 is scum.

The Oracle rose. As one, the three witches bowed XD

can you explain this read?

pedit: it's not that hard to say Rylai or Sora instead of saying "the other people posting"

~Sora

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why

Why not? Chick is pretty scummy and maybe scum, she's scummy as town as well so getting her checked is a good idea. Also, leaving Mastina with a 1 shot claim that she'll lord over us the entire game doesn't seem like the best idea.

This post is really bad though.

What is your read on chick and why did you chose to do this on IC?

~Sora

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Nero, I’m town here, so if this is real, you killed a villa. Congrats - yeah, you’re obviously town here - based on meta. I doubt you pull this crap as scum. Just because I was scum in one game, doesn’t mean I’m scum in every game after that. *sigh*

This reaction is really scummy. I'm actually a little more confident in my vote rn.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Since there's a 30 smilie limit I'll just do x30.

Also, are you asking me something invis?

my face hurts so bad after all those facepalms.

So, you can’t reverse it now? Oh well. Gl town. .

Come on

...

~Sora

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well now that's all over

i don't like how kuroi popped in with a fairly structured post and ignored all of what just happened

that's my one independent read, i'm done for the day bye

~dis

That is a really bad read

~Sora

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Nero why do you think we chose VT? Because of our hydra account name?

~dis

You could choose IC. why did you choose VT

pedit: I'm catching up and Nancy happened to be here to post some stuff about my scumread on her. What is your read on Nancy and stuff I said about her and why?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I will send something to the first person to do so.

This is interesting.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Did we actually have a dayvig less than a day into D1?

This has the potential to be a real derp unlike what nancy did. for people who want to compare a real and fake derp compare this with stuff that nancy did.

~Sora

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I'll take

VOTE: Ginngie

if you're gonna take the path of least resistance

Slightly scummy omgus

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Nii....... Too many..... People.

SHIRO SAN!!!!!!!!

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I have no bias against you nancy. Let's throw meta in trash can, shall we?

I'm just treating your slot like every other slot in the game. I strongly feel those repeated derps were faked so I'm scumreading you for it.

Stop acting like this is personal or if there is more to this. If I see something towny from you that will change my read ofc. what are your current reads?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

i can probably look at playerlist but am to lazy so is this a FA hydra?

yes and that was FA posting

~Sora

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seem a bit iffy to me

Shiro is role-playing xd don't you watch enough anime?

~Sora

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Nero why do you think we chose VT? Because of our hydra account name?

~dis

You could choose IC. why did you choose VT

pedit: I'm catching up and Nancy happened to be here to post some stuff about my scumread on her. What is your read on Nancy and stuff I said about her and why?

~Sora

What? I didn’t choose vt, you can’t even do that in this game - choose roles. I chose a flavour.

I am neither a vt nor an IC in this game. Labrynth was so much fun because I got cop checked N1 and was for all intents and purposes was the IC in that game.

What did your hydra partner meant?

I thought he is saying you chose VT as flavor

~Sora

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I’m not a fan of Chick’s posts but the sheer number of players currently sr her - without any apparent opposition makes me hesitant to vote there.



@Chickadee , what are these “gifts” that you keep offering to send to anyone who sr you? Can you please elaborate some more on that?

Or, you know, maybe they are scum and scum dont want to save them...

You can’t both be sr Chick and also believe this.

Scum always want to save scum? Or your thinking they are town and scum would be white knighting them?... but then they would be town. Im confused.

This is a really weird interaction.

~Rylai

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Yes, I can confirm I received a “gift” from Chick. Based on her play on Labrynth, I doubt she’d do that as scum.

Is this claim that "I doubt she’d do that as scum." based on the type of gift you got or her action to give you a gift?

can you elaborate the meta

~Rylai

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How are people getting items on day 1 in a game with daystart? That's the weird part to me about Chickadee's role.

VOTE: Vecna

I actually need this slot to talk more and clarify how much experienced they are. they are confusing me atm

Why aren't the people I want to talk to posting

who did you want to talk to?

Alright, I'm caught up personally. let's see if I can wake shiro up too and I will get back to you with a more hydra-thought process



~Sora

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I have no bias against you nancy. Let's throw meta in trash can, shall we?

I'm just treating your slot like every other slot in the game. I strongly feel those repeated derps were faked so I'm scumreading you for it.

Stop acting like this is personal or if there is more to this. If I see something towny from you that will change my read ofc. what are your current reads?

~Sora

I have no issue with meta, so long as it’s accurate. And once again, you’re wrong. I derp as either alignment and it’s not faked either. I legit thought that Siren’s call was initially some type of doc/vig and later bodyguard. So, this is the kind of thing that annoys me. You think you know how to read me but you don’t. When did I ever even remotely suggest this was “personal”? I have no issues with you afaik? That’s fair. I just hope you are able to actually see that but your sr me for being fake and misjudging my derps, aren’t exactly overwhelming me with confidence atm.

I think Gamma, Nero are town. I think this is probably town!Titus we are seeing here.

I’m kind of wondering about Wheme wanting people to sheep him on Vis - who didn’t seem to have much of a reaction to it and Wheme pretty much dropping it soon after. I’m thinking they could possibly be w/w and this was maybe some attempt at early distancing?

I’m trying to wrap my brain around Mastina claim. Initially it read townie to me but her recent post is making me walk that back. Something may be off there but whether that is AI or not, I couldn’t really say.

It's interesting to me that these are the reads on top of your head. what is your read on jjh? and why do you think gamma, nero and titus are town?

~Sora

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I think vax is slightly scummy. I heavily disliked his stance on chikaede and I didn't like his conversation with IC

Also, I didn't say my reads on those three names I mentioned when I asked her reads on you. I have a medium TR on you and slight tr on titus for some reasons but I never bet on my town reads and like to keep my reads change-able especially at the very start of the game till I find a good grasp of the game state.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Why is Shiro listed as not voting when his hydra is voting me?

Shiro never voted you. I did

Also the heck happened

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Spoiler:

I’m not a fan of Chick’s posts but the sheer number of players currently sr her - without any apparent opposition makes me hesitant to vote there.



@Chickadee , what are these “gifts” that you keep offering to send to anyone who sr you? Can you please elaborate some more on that?

Or, you know, maybe they are scum and scum dont want to save them...

You can’t both be sr Chick and also believe this.

Scum always want to save scum? Or your thinking they are town and scum would be white knighting them?... but then they would be town. Im confused.

This is a really weird interaction.

~Rylai

Not my point, which is clearly based on logic but I’ll bite anyway. Why?

It was weird cause it was like you two were biting each other without showing real motivation to make anything out of it. and well idk what about scum wanting to save their partner and not wanting to save their partner even worthed this discussion.

I'll take

VOTE: Ginngie

if you're gonna take the path of least resistance

Slightly scummy omgus

~Sora

Do you read all omgusses as be defined by voting someone who either sr or votes you as necessarily scummy or was it something specific about this vote in particular?

of coruse not. I'm a firm beleiver that no action is inhernetly scummy or towny and the only true scum hunting is motivation hunting. I also omgus scums who vote me without double thinking. I just can't see any motivation in solving in the way jjh reacted to ginggie when he claimed a scum read on him which is a slightly scummy attidue.

~Sora

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Is it bad that I want to vote IC for his nonsensical walls?

Yes. And wt actual f is “nonsensical” about them? Is this even a serious thought?

I wonder if I voted you, would FA consider that a scummy omgus? Lol

Because seriously, you really do look like you’re trying to solve based on little to none content.

why do you care if I would consider that as scummy or towny? like if it was scummy why didn't you vote them and if they were not why are you talking about it in first place?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Null for now - very slight townlean but not very confident about it.

I have others but I defacto dislike those kind of questions in general - general readslists, I prefer to discuss my reads more organically - which I have done. ISO me, if you doubt this. I currently feel the most confident about those 3, likely being town in this game.

I also don't give general reads. I asked you about your current reads and some elaboration on reads you gave never asked about a general readlist in first place

so why do you keep changing what I say? And why didn't you elaborate on those 3 reads?

~Sora

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Did we actually have a dayvig less than a day into D1?

This has the potential to be a real derp unlike what nancy did. for people who want to compare a real and fake derp compare this with stuff that nancy did.

~Sora

Okay this you’re gonna need to back up, why would Nancy not be baited by a fake day vig?

That was in refrence to her derping when she was acting like she doesn't understand a joke and people explaining it was a joke when it was so obvious it was a joke.

not the fake dayvig thing

on mu there are no fake day vigs as its against the game rules most of the time so its normal if she took that siriously

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Did we actually have a dayvig less than a day into D1?

This has the potential to be a real derp unlike what nancy did. for people who want to compare a real and fake derp compare this with stuff that nancy did.

~Sora

Okay this you’re gonna need to back up, why would Nancy not be baited by a fake day vig?

There is no legitimate reason for her to think this as she knows you can’t fake day vig on MU, so I am beyond baffled by this.

lmao you were there when I posted it chatting with me about your derp and joke and stuff and you knew what I was talking about. You just face palmed at a post about that and you jump on his thought process without even thinking about it?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I think vax is slightly scummy. I heavily disliked his stance on chikaede and I didn't like his conversation with IC

Also, I didn't say my reads on those three names I mentioned when I asked her reads on you. I have a medium TR on you and slight tr on titus for some reasons but I never bet on my town reads and like to keep my reads change-able especially at the very start of the game till I find a good grasp of the game state.

~Sora

Current thoughts on Mastina?

I said that in detail already

let me grab it

just go iso me and cntrl f mastina and read things.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

on mu there are no fake day vigs as its against the game rules most of the time so its normal if she took that siriously

fake day vigs are against the rules? What kind of silly place is that?

On mu some hosts add this rule against faking a day action or command for mod in game thread so you can't use bold red or say shoot x fakely or stuff.

when I mod games there I don't use such silly rules but its a thing for some reason

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Spoiler:

did you just say if he was joking

glad to see someone else is not blind.

anime gifs are a towntell btw

This is called a joke

Do you speak for random?

I can't even ...

Nancy is NOT a naive player who can't understand jokes. Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

~Sora

No

she does this to look like whatever she looks like after that. she wants to make people underestimate her. It's her thing.

~Sora

Whatever. I could write a wall about how this is wrong and how you don't understand how Nancy plays mafia. You do not understand how Nancy Drew plays mafia if you believe that Nancy intentionally fakes derps to get by as scum (and this is opposed to making major plays, which I believe she did do in Heroes Wanted, but is not the same type here). You do not understand that Nancy Drew just unintentionally does this regardless of her alignment.

In my honest opinion you sound upset that you believe you caught Nancy Drew as scum in Heroes Wanted but could not push it, and want to replicate that performance by scumreading Nancy Drew for doing things that she would've done anyways as town.

It gets pretty clear you're tunnelled on us when you start quoting a whatever post about my read on Kuroi, which is not garbage - in fact I'm still holding onto it and am still surveying Kuroi's subsequent few posts - and is just you being biased. I recommend you lay off and go read a town game of Nancy Drew's like Labyrinth Mafia, because it's pretty clear that you don't know a stitch about how Nancy plays the game and just want to catch her again for your own reasons.

And don't say meta isn't a part of it. Because you don't go and ride any regular slot into the sunset because of supposed "fake derps". You're on our slot because you want to be right.

~Disquieted

My case on your slot and nancy has nothing to do with heroes wanted. my case is about how I see her reactions to people fake when she is talking about

but yeah meta is a part of this and effects the read as if nancy is always like this then it's NAI but what I said about I seeing that as a gambit that she is pulling off to make people townread her in all games is a sirious read based on things she did in this game alone and how she reacted to people who were explaining that to her. or her reactions when she was pushed for it.

and I'm not tunneling her. I'm actually pretty open to vote someone else if they are scummier or to talk about this read or other reads or change my read if I see anything towny from your slot.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

You're killing me girl

I've been playing mafia for so long now

will you stop treating me like someone who is trying to get vengeance or some shit over a game that means nothing to me and I didn't even join its dvc and I won it anyway?

Stop ATEing the fuck out of this.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I already told this in that post

"and I'm not tunneling her. I'm actually pretty open to vote someone else if they are scummier or to talk about this read or other reads or change my read if I see anything towny from your slot."

so what's your deal? do something towny and I will back off. atm I'm leaning that you were trying to fake naiveness to get easy credit and its my best lead to find a scum in this game so my vote will stay. When I talked with shiro she is puzzled about your slot and counts you as null - slightly scummy too

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

OK Serious question: when you say if they are not town it will fail do you mean the gladiate will not happen or that the gladiate will happen and you will get lynched

The former. It will fail. And to my knowledge, the mod won't acknowledge it happened at all. There won't be a mod post announcing a lack of successful gladiate; it'll just be as if there never was one, making it indistinguishable between me faking a gladiate claim and me having used the gladiate but it failing due to targeting scum.

The actual role says my action will fail if I target scum, so. I'm presuming failed action when the action is gladiate is identical to failed action when the action is a non-investigative: no acknowledgement in any way whatsoever of it having failed, it just failed.

we have a modifier that will help us strongly if someone gladiates us. also why should I have the modifier if the gladiator is town.

Um.

You having that modifier is actually proof of my claim being real?

Like.

You, as town. Having a modifier that helps you when gladiated.
Is evidence corroborating my claim. Of being unable to gladiate anyone except for town.
Because if you are town.
And I am town.
I could only succeed when using it on you.

No the modifier proves you have gladiate

The odd part is why would we have that and you have gladiate if we both are town. you understand me? The part you're saying you can only target town makes this weirder. Why would RC put so much town on town violence tools in a game. just to make us not use them?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Which makes it more likely that you are a scum gladiator and you said you can only gladiate town cause you don't want to end up gladiating your scum buddies or something. it also makes more sense if you have a modifier that helps you after gladiating people to win those gladiate like our modifier. which is why I was suspicious of the claim since the start.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

nancy says shit like that regardless of alignment.

FA, take note. This is coming from someone who has played 2 other games with me: Minuet and Hourglass. I strongly advise you to ISO me in those games as well as Necromancer.

Yeah I'm not jobless. I would do that a year ago since I had way more free time but good old days are gone.

I Strongly believe that you fake naiveness even as a town to get free town cred and your such a person to do this and non of these things you did even in those games are real which is why I'm hesitant with my scumread on you rn. I'm gonna check your play from more angels, later on, to see if I want to move or stay there but your defense didn't convince me to move tbh since it's all annoying ate and missrep

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Being conf’ed would just be a waste for me

This sounds a nervous response to that situation tbh and it alarms me a little bit.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

maybe skygazer received those songs later than when they were actually sent to them cause RC was not around initially.

@Skygazer can you check with rc the timing of those songs you recieved. maybe chick muti submitted after you said you can't recieve stuff and you didn't receive stuff. but thats also odd. why would chick try that again if you were ascetic? unless if she have to do that for another reason /to activate something else

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

If spatula can activate stuff I would like to have some too.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

So chikade did you send multiple messages of same song to skygazer?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

So chikade did you send multiple messages of same song to skygazer?

~Sora

Did sky gazer claim that? If so then essentially yes. But I cannot know for sure.

yes they claimed that

iso them and check it please

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

You're killing me girl

I've been playing mafia for so long now

will you stop treating me like someone who is trying to get vengeance or some shit over a game that means nothing to me and I didn't even join its dvc and I won it anyway?

Stop ATEing the fuck out of this.

~Sora

I’m not saying anything that isn’t true. Call that an AtE or whatever, it doesn’t alter the facts.

It is not true!

I'M NOT SCUMREADING YOU BASED ON HEROES WANTED GAME.

like maybe caps help it?!

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

nero your vote count is wrong

Sora is voting IC slot. Shiro is not voting.

check RC vote count.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I feel ok with lady angel wagon. after that latest post.

~Rylai

[Rylai and Lina]

Oh I definitely believe Shiro is trying to correctly sort me but he will obviously get overruled. You aren’t going to see anything “townie” from me, because you don’t want to. Let’s just call a spade a freaking spade here, shall we?

nah shiro can do whatever shiro wanna do this game.

and I can see townie things from you if you do them cause I want to. you're saying otherwise is just the ridiculous ATE I was mentioning.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

@FA

-what were you reading me as in heros and why?

in heroes, you were towny cause you were open and you had this spark of solving in your posts trying to figure out drixx. We haven't interacted that much in that game but you were in my slight towny list and definitely not in my poe list till I replaced out. why are you asking about that?

Sora is voting IC slot. Shiro is not voting.

you guys split?

i'll fix it on the next page.

yes we have 2 votes.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Your AtE is not conving, sorry.

If you had been desperado over Wh4t, I’d probably be IC for realz rn. Lol.

I'm not a native English speaker and my English is self-learned. I missuse you're and your frequently.

But at least I can understand jokes like what rando did and apparently you can't?

and I would desperado you. I don't think. at least I'm not sure I would go with you.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

And I still have no salt and I still claim I'm not tunneling you and I still like my vote on you. IDK why are you wasting your time talking to me when you think my read is based on an old game. and why you keep saying that over what is actually my reason to vote you. and I don't know why you don't change your focus instead of talking to me if you just want to say the same crap accusing me of tunneling if you're a town.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

What? How the fuck do you guys get 2 votes now?

Are you doublevoter or ???

I just said the same thing didn't I? yes we are a double voter. we have separate votes as its pretty obvious from the RC vote count.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Your AtE is not conving, sorry.

If you had been desperado over Wh4t, I’d probably be IC for realz rn. Lol.

I'm not a native English speaker and my English is self-learned. I missuse you're and your frequently.

But at least I can understand jokes like what rando did and apparently you can't?

and I would desperado you. I don't think. at least I'm not sure I would go with you.

~Sora

Shame because if the 2 of us somehow wind up in MYLO/LYLO together, town is fucked.

lmao

it's day 1 and you're talking about me "tunneling" you in mylo/lylo? and you wonder why I'm not changing my vote lol.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

ok vecna has a restriction to say the sentences in that wiki nico posted earlier about Cornholio.

or he is pretending to have something like that.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

my vote is perfectly fine and my read is great and on point about your gambit even if you're faking it as town in your games too. but feel free to bang your head as much as you like. I won't stop you.

I didn't made up my mind about your slot. and I have no new questions from you. if there is anything you want to discuss I'm more than happy to talk about it and answer

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

How? FA just said they get separate votes. Great, so 2 wasted votes on our slot every freaking week we stay alive. \o/

Are you fucking kidding me?!

UNVOTE:

is this better now?

Just fucking move on.

The following is 100% happening:

I will vote you at eod if you post one more shit about this in

I will vote you at eod if you fail to show me towny content - the thing your slot lacks so far

and I will vote you at eod if you show another fake naiveness gambit thing again.

and yes this time I will for real tunnel you

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

If FA and me were scum in this game, I’d have replaced out.

No please if you feel like that replace out already. I don't care about your alignment when it's about how not fun you are to play a game with

I said ONE THING about you being scummy and you wrote a novel about it

and YOU KEEP ACCUSING ME OF TUNNELING when I'm the only one voting you and it was only for less than 2 days.

You keep doing this ate shit like it means anything and for some reason, no one else finds your attitude scummy but me

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

my vote is perfectly fine and my read is great and on point about your gambit even if you're faking it as town in your games too. but feel free to bang your head as much as you like. I won't stop you.

I didn't made up my mind about your slot. and I have no new questions from you. if there is anything you want to discuss I'm more than happy to talk about it and answer

~Sora

I did ask you questions, you just never answered them. I asked you about your current thoughts on Mastina.

I did

I told you to iso me and click ctrl f and type mastina.

Also I gave you space and promised to vote you back if you started this shit again and I will deliver

VOTE: Innocent Children

now this is a real tunnel and I won't unvote till you or me is gone from the game. gl gl

If FA and me were scum in this game, I’d have replaced out.

No please if you feel like that replace out already. I don't care about your alignment when it's about how not fun you are to play a game with

I said ONE THING about you being scummy and you wrote a novel about it

and YOU KEEP ACCUSING ME OF TUNNELING when I'm the only one voting you and it was only for less than 2 days.

You keep doing this ate shit like it means anything and for some reason, no one else finds your attitude scummy but me

~Sora

Well, if it makes YOU feel any better, I’m also not having any fucking fun? Wanna take a wild guess, why?

That is most certainly your own problem and has nothing to do with anything I did in game

since I did nothing

and you wrote a novel about it lol.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

@Chickaede why did you send multi videoes to someone who claimed ascetic. Is there a reason you must spread gifts?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

BTW I will ignore every IC post from now on

and no I won't change my vote

I just want to give them real reasons for headaches and bashing their head to a wall for a change.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

And for clarification on 100000th time. I definitely had no death tunnel on IC before this page and now I want them policied. My read on them was basically I think they are faking an attitude for getting free cred and if they are doing it in other games as town too they are trying to use that fake cred when they are town too which was why I voted them in the first place. I expressed hesitation on my read even then.

And no. I'm not certain they will flip scum. but their reaction that one vote and clusterfucking the thread with ate and misrepresenting me repeatedly makes me want to slap myself in the face. hence why I want them ploicied.

Thats all about it

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

So Isoing lady angel and noticing she has only 62 posts on her account she seems way more informed about how mafia works than a newbie but she is so lost in-game and her comments lack the scummy agenda. even that post about vecna since no sane scum would think they can get a vecna lynched like that and would stop her

but then scums do what scums do and she is so eh opportunistic with lack of the spark of solving the game which means she might be scum.

I would still call her a coin flip (as I think its 50-50 to flip scum based on what I can see).

I hope we get some clarification about their proficiency in this game.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

@randomidget you never commented about that whole mastina thing but you commented about RC setups

I wonder why

also what is your current take on that whole situation?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Reading titus iso, I stand by what I said about them earlier. I think this is toward their town meta but still this is underwhelming and I can't make a strong read on the slot.

Like when she is scum she does calculate derps and tried to string shit up - for example, look at heroes wanted day 1. she is in my town pool for the moment depending on how she develops her game after this and I want more titus in game.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

So many people shown concern over chick early posts that it kinds of pings me. I feel like there is some meta related reason that I didn't digg yet

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I told you to iso me and click ctrl f and type mastina.

That doesn’t work on my iPad. *sigh*

Spoiler:

No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

so mastina do you have a plan for using your gladiate or what?

also are you trying to convince you should not be seen as town for the way you claimed to others? like how is that the most important thing for you right now?

~Sora

Ok I actually think what mastina claimed might be legit. I need to write down scenarios of the way it can interact with my role and talk about this to shiro more.

~Sora

JJH flip flop on mastina gives the vibe that he was not prepared for the claim so its likely that they are not w-w but I'm not confident to even bet on that. I still have them both at null pile here.

Also this is the proper time to use this gif not last time

As I also said that night, I don't like how mastina was fighting against people who were saying her role is towny by pushing the "Role != alignment" narrative at all. it feels forced and over the top.

~Sora

who seemed forced? sorry

mastina when she was doing self meta and making posts about how role!= alignment to go against people who were saying her role is towny.

~Sora

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

So here is the thing I feared that night. we have a modifier that will help us strongly if someone gladiates us. What if she is lieing about being loyal thing or is saying that cause she is scum and she has a modifier like that. also why should I have the modifier if the gladiator is town.

~Sora

Occam's Razor. If a role provides no utility for town in any theory, then it's scum. If there's no scum utility, it's probably town. Those suppose honesty. Yet marina's claim makes zero sense for town as claimed. It does not help scum either. Given mods do not design roles that lack utility, we're looking at mastina lying about some part of her claim or something novel that mastina role counters.

This is a strange line of thinking to evaluate roles but it's a titusy way of doing that so it warms my heart a little bit about titus.

Mastina role is most definitly incomplete and I think that the last part is the part that shows what alignment it is not what was claimed. but yeah I still see no reason for scum her to claim like this unless if she wants to use the gladiate.

~Rylai

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I just ISO’d LA in Lynch the Wolves and her posts were much better there. She was scum in that game, so maybe she was coached in that game?

Her ISO in this game and LtWs are strikingly different. I’m starting to think she could be a mislynch here.

I still hate her Vecna vote though.

can you link me this game

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

@Sora , what are your thoughts on Skygazer? I really don’t understand the srs since Chick hasn’t contradicted anything they’ve said and I don’t think they’re likely w/w but that whole mulple identical video thing is really weird. Could the number of videos be significant? And the title of the video is about breaking hearts.I dunno but I think the specific number of videos Skygazer receives from Chick could possibly have some significance. I’m pretty sure the one video, she sent me did.

Yes, it was an animated cartoon video.

I think I saw nothing AI from them

disliked the part they were calling themselves a good scum player and the part asked for desperado to talk about how that's a towny thing to ask.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

just to be clear she sent videos BEFORE Sky claimed flavor ascetic.

Why did she send multiple videoes of same thing and when she sent them? this is my question

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

BTW I will ignore every IC post from now on

and no I won't change my vote

I just want to give them real reasons for headaches and bashing their head to a wall for a change.

~Sora

You’re officially being rude in the same way I feel RC was being rude to you in the Kingdom Hearts game and I want you to maybe be a little more respectful of Nancy’s feelings.

I have not been disrespectful to them in any manner and I regret nothing I did. I actually did absolutely nothing. she just made a case about me tunneling her and she went on and on about it by herself. I'm sorry if I hirt anyone feelings about it /shrug

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I didn't want to mention it but since Gamma brought it up.... As someone who is not Nancy, seeing Rylai bring up our slot as a scumread because they assume something blatantly wrong of Nancy's playstyle aggravates me to no end... let alone what Nancy thinks.

~Disquieted

Sorry that I aggravated you. I won't unvote your slot though. It seems that the vote worked and she started to actually do other things besides shit talking about how I'm tunneling her.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Really, cos I feel like you were baiting her

No I didn't

I said one thing about their slot and they kept going on again and again about how I tunneled them

so I unvoted them and asked them to not talk about it and they talked about it again so I voted them again. as simple as that.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

if you want to accuse me of baiting, show where did I do that ok?

just show everyone here where did I bait her alright?

Saying things like that is easy, isn't it? What about how I felt about them misrepresenting me and ateing and accusing me of tunneling repeatedly when I was only voting her for a weak thing and I was checking possibilities pushing things/ and when I was saying that as loud as possible? If anyone got baited in this shit it was me.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I think Vecna is town. I feel like that post restriction once demonstrated enough is a good excuse for scum to lurk. But Vecna is present and keeps posting. Nothing solid but putting Vecna in my town pile for today.

This is a really bad post

Does Shiro often get scum read?

Tell why are you scumreading shiro so I can summon them. for some reason, they are not around and available atm.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I have an ability that makes mastina claim like a town check on my slot. she claimed she can only target town with gladiate. I have an ability that helps in gladiates. 2+2 = 4

but if you doubt that you can make mastina gladiate my slot to see what will happen. (hint I won't stop or retarct the gladiate and it will happen so day will end with her lynch as a result of this but my ability will be confirmed and if she is telling the truth I'll become ic)

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Porkens is a good vote.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Its simple

why don't we ask vecna if they are sending a message or not

@Vecna if you're trying to tell us something post your next sentence in green.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

If they aren't around then how can you summon her? Also, I asked if she normally gets scumread, why assume that I'm scum reading her?

him*

I have his discord and I can tell him that people need answers from him about some specific things and he is reading the game as much as he can.

Then why would you question the gladiate claim if you knew there was a gladiator in the game?

I never questioned the claim. I questioned her alignment

Why should I have a modifier that wins gladiate if the gladiator is town? The fact she claimed she can only target town makes me obvtown.

read all my posts about mastina again since it seems you don't remember anything

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

and this is not sorting vecna. it's using the content he can provide through this post restriction. I don't know why do you think it should stop? Ofcourse this shouldn't stop other discussions in game.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Why wouldn't you bring this up when Mastina claimed some 30 pages ago? Also, what do you mean "claim like a town check"?

I did bring it up, I was looking at different scenarios my role can interact with it. I softed this immediately. I also asked people to not give conf town to mastina for claim since my role exists.

she claimed she can only gladiate "town". I have a modifier that helps me when my slot is gladiated. if she is town and telling the truth that means my claim is mechanically town. if she is scum and she is lieing and can target everyone, again that means I'm town since why would a scum gladiator exist with a scum role that has modifiers that help them when gladiated? hence why her claim is like claiming a town check on my slot.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

can you explain those reads a little more

like why nero-sky felt tvt to you? can you elaborate this a little more? or what about titus and chick are alarming you?

It's more interesting for me to know how you're making your reads.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Prod received

We both have been kinda busy which is why we dropped from the face of earth.

We will participate more day 2 love ya all<3

~Shiro

[Rylai and Lina]

Prod recieved.

I had a work deadline and had to prepare an application for today. Its currently being used but I must still work on it (so it doesn't go down - if a bug happens)

I'll be checking here way later. Sorry for disappearing like this

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

sorry for my disapearence again. I've been skimming this so fast and have some stuff to say

I think vecna is towny. I'm confused with korui I think chick is a bit scummy but I need to iso read her and concentrate for a better read

For testing mastina we can force her to gladiate my slot later in game or flip/check her later. I'm not worried about it rn.

VOTE: No lynch

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Is there any questions from me you want me to answer tonight?

As I said earlier I had to literally code and launch an application 24/7 in past few days (I was the project manager) and then live support period started.

I'm exhausted to the very core and want to watch a movie and sleep -.- I'll be around more next day phase

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Why is Vecna towny?

I mean I believe his ic claim and his "wait a day" thing

if you remember I was the first one who even suggested a way to communicate with him and I disappeared right after that. I was not around when the whole debate about him started.

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I don't find his bunghole towny no

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I don't find his bunghole towny no

~Sora

That's just NAI

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm so behind in this game and my hydra partner dumped the account completely it seems

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm not scum and I can confirm it. how many votes are on me

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

I'm a double voter town with one shot investigation ability of some sort who will win gladiates if a gladiator targets us. I just had a crisis in life and had to flake and whenever I was online on ms this thread was locked.

I will need till night to catch up and read stuff about this game and to try to communicate with my hydra partner. If I can't get that to work I will replace out

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Actually, scratch that I don't have time to read 40 pages of mafia tonight. nor I have that sort of time tomorrow. I will be around for real-time interactions.

I need an updated vc to look at stuff. Since we no lynched yesterday there is nothing to look there.

I'll probably start by checking Innocent children iso since they were my yesterday main vote and the only name on top of my head

was vecna confirmed town already? I can see that he is talking now so I assume yes

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

ok so toranaga is on ic now?

~Sora

[Rylai and Lina]

Hey dumped sound so cruel

~Shiro