NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Gamma Emerald]

im referring to the train wreck known as forgotten hourglass my boy

Thought that our included me, my b

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald, why do you think 258 is towny? The length of a person's posts does not affect whether they are likely to be scum or town, so I don't see why you would like his vote so much.

Tictac, can you give a readslist as I asked you too in 531?

That’s not what I meant. If you were making it harder for him to read to vote makes sense

[Nosferatu]

Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon with

both popo and lapsa.

I might be okay with one, but not both.

UNVOTE: Nofs

Just scanning through the thread this post rubs me up the wrong way.


So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.

This shows

1-That her reasoning to vote nosf wasn't very strong anyway. (she never claimed it to be through)
2-She really doesn't care that much about figuring out nos's alignment. Because Popo and lapsa votes would of added pressure to the slot.
3-Neither slot has any bearing on her read on nos at all. They don't post much content to think if one is scum they are lynching town over bussing.
4-She never intended to start a wagon on nos at all.

Potential Motives

1-Could be concerned about her image with two low content poster sheeping her on a vote that was low content.
2-Wanted to appear like she pushing by voting nos. Quite obvious she didn't care about the nos read.
3-Felt like it was dangerous to stay on Nos so wanted off and to feel safe.

VOTE: MalaKittens

are you serious

[Nosferatu]

So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.

she voted me cause i started a wagon on her for literally no reason at all

and then two scumreads jumped on the wagon

WHY would town stay on. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME.

[Garmr]

Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon with

both popo and lapsa.

I might be okay with one, but not both.

UNVOTE: Nofs

Just scanning through the thread this post rubs me up the wrong way.


So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.

This shows

1-That her reasoning to vote nosf wasn't very strong anyway. (she never claimed it to be through)
2-She really doesn't care that much about figuring out nos's alignment. Because Popo and lapsa votes would of added pressure to the slot.
3-Neither slot has any bearing on her read on nos at all. They don't post much content to think if one is scum they are lynching town over bussing.
4-She never intended to start a wagon on nos at all.

Potential Motives

1-Could be concerned about her image with two low content poster sheeping her on a vote that was low content.
2-Wanted to appear like she pushing by voting nos. Quite obvious she didn't care about the nos read.
3-Felt like it was dangerous to stay on Nos so wanted off and to feel safe.

VOTE: MalaKittens

are you serious

So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.

she voted me cause i started a wagon on her for literally no reason at all

and then two scumreads jumped on the wagon

WHY would town stay on. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME.

Can you even read? Guess not at all otherwise you wouldn't of posted that.

.......
If you actually read malakittens posts which you probably haven't

lapsa is more annoying than a scum/town read to me right now.

Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon with both popo and lapsa. I might be okay with one, but not both.

UNVOTE: Nofs

do you scumread them or something?

Nope, but they have been doing this all game so far.

I don’t really have a read on them because the lack of content from both slots. I just refuse to be on a wagon with them until they either start playing correctly or gtfo

HERE'S A LESSON HOW YOU READ NOS

[Garmr]

HERE'S A LESSON HOW TO READ NOS

Fixed

Also not sure if I made my reasons clear enough or nos just can't read my posts as well?

[Nosferatu]

sigh

[Nosferatu]

It really does and dodging the question makes you look terrible.

it didnt and it doesnt

It really does and dodging the question makes you look terrible.

it didnt and it doesnt

So you're going to be one of those players that don't give reasons for voting people?

Fucking wonderful.

It really does and dodging the question makes you look terrible.

it didnt and it doesnt

So you're going to be one of those players that don't give reasons for voting people?

Fucking wonderful.

it really do be that way sometimes

Look,Nos, why are you doing this when one or two sentences explaining your reason for voting would suffice? I know you may not put much faith in my questioning, but it can't be that hard to give an answer.

idk i guess im a contrarian like that

VOTE: nosf

I mean if you actually answered people it wouldn't come to that.
So again why are you voting me?

why do you wanna know?

Because I like thought processes, but when you vote someone without a reason I can't see a thought process, I can't see what you're thinking, I can't figure out if it's scum voting someone or town voting someone. People voting without reasons are the most hardest to read imo.

[Garmr]

Oh hell no. I’m not going to be on this wagon with

both popo and lapsa.

I might be okay with one, but not both.

UNVOTE: Nofs

Just scanning through the thread this post rubs me up the wrong way.


So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a better read on him/to make him post more content. Then when two others (pop/lapsa) sheep her, she suddenly doesn't care about nos anymore and drops the vote then starts attacking the people who sheeped her. This isn't townie thing to do.

This shows

1-That her reasoning to vote nosf wasn't very strong anyway. (she never claimed it to be through)
2-She really doesn't care that much about figuring out nos's alignment. Because Popo and lapsa votes would of added pressure to the slot.
3-Neither slot has any bearing on her read on nos at all. They don't post much content to think if one is scum they are lynching town over bussing.
4-She never intended to start a wagon on nos at all.

Potential Motives

1-Could be concerned about her image with two low content poster sheeping her on a vote that was low content.
2-Wanted to appear like she pushing by voting nos. Quite obvious she didn't care about the nos read.
3-Felt like it was dangerous to stay on Nos so wanted off and to feel safe.

VOTE: MalaKittens

Just because there are people out there who literally have no ability to put two and two together

like Nos

I will go in to detail I didn't think I would have to go into.

Basically I'm saying if she wanted to form a read on nos she would of keeped her vote on him to pressure, engaged with him after that point despite taking her vote off him, the normal stuff to do when you want information out of a slot. This makes me think she has the information already on nos's alignment so she's not concerned about getting the information.

Since the slot was in no danger of getting lynched, even if she scum read those two (which she didn't) so there was nothing to lose. Also the line of thought "a scum read is voting someone I'm voting, better unvote." Is trash for two reasons. One they may be bussing then all your doing helping their cause, two you may be wrong on the scum read. It better to judge the reactions and then unvote so you get some information. So will only people that don't think will follow nos's line of surface level thought. But the fact she never really followed up on nos or show indication of looking into nos; While over explaining why she wouldn't be on the same wagon as lapsa and popo, (while being unvoted) despite claiming to be unsure makes me think it's the scum motivation rather than a town with bad logic.

Finally I think she is concerned with her looks because she didn't want to be on the same wagon as lapsa/popo. If people start looking into the wagon (it gets big enough) Her's was the only vote with substance to start picking at. (mine was rvs,lapsa and popo were blank votes.) Which is bad if you are scum. If you are town you shouldn't really care about that and be only concerned with lynching scum/getting information. Also this is speculation but if one of lapsa/popo is scum that would give extra reason to do this.

Her timing and the way she handled he jump off awkward which makes it look artificial to me.

[Nosferatu]

can you even read?

....
If you actually read malakittens posts which you probably haven't

I mean if you actually answered people it wouldn't come to that.

So again why are you voting me?

HERE'S A LESSON HOW YOU READ GARMR

[Nosferatu]

HERE'S A LESSON HOW TO READ GARMR

Fixed

[Nosferatu]

Believe it or not I intentionally caused malakittens to vote me

so one would think I have an idea of why she voted me.

[Nosferatu]

fuck it I'm not going to defend someone else. This isn't my battle and I'm not gonna defend the honor of some fucking rando

good night.

[Garmr]

So in short I think it's pretty obvious what happened here is she voted Nos slot to get a

better read on him/to make him post more content.

I KNOW NOS

It doesn't matter if malakittens initial reason started because of a bland vote on her. The fact is the reason she gave was to get more information and make you post more content (aka the reason why you voted her). I then elaborate on why her actions afterwards contradict the intention she was trying to portray to us.

WHICH IS WHAT I FUCKING SAID YOU JUST SPAMMED THE THREAD WITH USELESS POSTS TO TRY AND CORRECT ME WITH PRETTY MUCH THE EXACT THING I SAID. EVEN WHAT YOU SAID HAS NO RELEVANCE TO MY ACTUAL CASE AS IT DOESN'T DEBUNK ANY OF MY POINTS EVEN IF I WAS WRONG (WHICH I'M NOT SINCE I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING AS YOU ARE SAYING).

[popopopopopopo]

wow. all caps, bold and underlined. calm down bro

[Garmr]

Just finished a game with scum gamma. Gamma's emotional outburst this game feels different than the one he did as scum that game.

Gamma posts are more in your face (in a gamma way) compared to that game as well.

Also I know it's early but gamma hasn't jumped on every major wagon either which he did as scum in that game.

I'm putting gamma as town lean because of his tone and behaviour.

[tictac]

As for my “dramatic improvement” that’s an overstatement firstly and secondly it was me not continuing to push something when I had been presented with a decent counter to my thinking.

That's it?

tictac please confirm

eh. kinda.
He disengaged from a crapcase too easy to have actually believed in what he was pushing.
The improvement would be in "noticing when one is pushing crap" department.
Can get context for ya or ya could read the thread and not rely on 2-person accounts. I've been pretty vocal about it & laps actually gathered at least partial context somewhere.

Yeah I don't like the waffling and fencesitting in post 601, good catch Dave.

tbf I asked him to expand on a post he was nullreading, so not suprising he nullreads it.

That being said I’ll go vote for Lapsa until I’m convinced lynching out of Mala, CT, Lapsa is a better option.

VOTE: Lapsa

Don't kill the doggy.

I do remember that but he hasn’t remained wishy-washy

tbf my read on ya is kinda skitzoprenic. I was hoping dave would have a meta-reason to nullread the awkward and help me reconcile, but turned out to be just a matter-of-opinion thing.

And not always in tune with what is going on.

Also don’t agree with this

agreed.

Tictac, can you give a readslist as I asked you too in 531?

Was kinda thinking it would be obv that I'm ignoring ya by now.

[Garmr]

@Krazy
Did you make everyone that was in mini normal 2023 town this game. because I like Akarin so far and I can see their logic and I have the same gut feel from that game on popopopo

Anyway a quick read list not ordered.

Town lean
Akarin
IO
Gamma

Null town-
Popopo
CT

Scum lean-
Mala

I do have some other scum reads and not just mala but I want to keep them to myself for now and see how they react.

[Io]

Oh god I don't really want to read gammaxlapsa but I guess i have to.

Honestly nothing came from it.
It was basically just Lapsa pushing gamma’s buttons to the point of insanity.

[davesaz]

Yeah I don't like the waffling and fencesitting in post 601, good catch Dave.

tbf I asked him to expand on a post he was nullreading, so not suprising he nullreads it.

I found it a little scummy that Akarin responded to 601 but not the other posts I made shortly after. Not scummy enough to nullify the townread.

[davesaz]

Nosferatu is playing a minigame I would summarize as "poke people and see who goes apeshit".
That's part of the reason for tonereading it as town.

[Gamma Emerald]

Just finished a game with scum gamma. Gamma's emotional outburst this game feels different than the one he did as scum that game.

Gamma posts are more in your face (in a gamma way) compared to that game as well.

Also I know it's early but gamma hasn't jumped on every major wagon either which he did as scum in that game.

I'm putting gamma as town lean because of his tone and behaviour.

Oh hey did that finish? Good.
That game is why I scumread pox7. In that game he was a BEAST, he’s been the polar opposite here, and I can’t see any town reason for that to be that way.

[Completly Trustworthy]

The only town-motivated reason I can think of for Popo acting this way when he can play better is if he wants to test people's reactions and see who pushes him. However, that is unlikely since I think he would have done something with this gambit by now and wouldn't have risked making himself so suspicious that nobody would trust what he says, potentially getting himself lynched anyway.

[Garmr]

Just finished a game with scum gamma. Gamma's emotional outburst this game feels different than the one he did as scum that game.

Gamma posts are more in your face (in a gamma way) compared to that game as well.

Also I know it's early but gamma hasn't jumped on every major wagon either which he did as scum in that game.

I'm putting gamma as town lean because of his tone and behaviour.

Oh hey did that finish? Good.
That game is why I scumread pox7. In that game he was a BEAST, he’s been the polar opposite here, and I can’t see any town reason for that to be that way.

Tbh he looks similar to me. The game we came from had a clash of strong personalities. Much easier to form reads in that game compared to this. Like James Brafin was pretty much obvious scum. I can see things that synch up like his stubbornness and carefree attitude he displayed in this game in little tiny bits. The amount of effort his putting is less through so that's why his on my lower end of the town read list. Also I don't think pox7 will go beast mode every game, I can be pretty hard hitting one game and miss the next.

So basically the biggest difference is his conviction in his reads and that is null in itself. Through that could be towny or scummy after more information is revealed.

[Io]

The only town-motivated reason I can think of for Popo acting this way when he can play better is if he wants to test people's reactions and see who pushes him. However, that is unlikely since I think he would have done something with this gambit by now and wouldn't have risked making himself so suspicious that nobody would trust what he says, potentially getting himself lynched anyway.

Style of posting has nothing to do with alignment.
Yes, some posting styles are objectively bad and hurt you as town such as lurking and shitposting.
But people still do those reguardless of alignment.