Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd kind of rather have this conversation outside of a game thread because I'm not exactly keen on telling NSG how I read her

[RadiantCowbells]

shoshin would it upset you if I said I was already scumreading you

[RadiantCowbells]

what if everyone was town so we didn't have to have people be scum?

[Shoshin]

I wouldn't believe you actually scumread me, so no, I'd just ignore it.

If everyone was town, it'd be like playing Survivor. Pretty sure you'd lose lol...

[RadiantCowbells]

do you think I'd be a bad survivor player?

[Shoshin]

Can we have an ongoing PM discussing how we read players as a general matter, not specific to any game? I feel like that should be a thing.

[Shoshin]

I think you'd self-destruct at some point lol, no offense.

[RadiantCowbells]

also, strange. so am I just too good as town to scumread you?

I mean I was once banned for
1) having a discussion with a player on skype before a game
and
2) referencing said discussion

so i'm pretty sure that wouldn't go over well

i also think it is against the spirit of the rules ftr, as is like being in an ongoing game with someone and asking other people who are good at reading them how to read them

[Irrelephant11]

RC I think you'd either Russell Hantz it or Cirie Fields it
Depends on your real life personality

I'm somewhat townreading RC for engaging Shoshin in this way/Shoshin suggesting she townreads RC (she's better at reading him than me)

[RadiantCowbells]

like if someone was in a game with NSG or Titus and asked me for pointers on how to read them I'd consider that pretty outside the spirit of the game

Us actually being in the same game definitely doesn't make that any better, plus our conversation also either has 1) manipulation outside of game thread or 2) the ability to pseudo-red text facts

[Shoshin]

I don't think it's against the spirit of the game to discuss past games with players you enjoy discussing the game with. Like, if we discussed Labyrinth and I told you I had a really good way to read Wisdom or Math or whatever and we exchanged ideas about that, what's the problem? I get that it's bad to talk about ongoing games but talking about past ones should be encouraged imo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Talking about them, yes. Talking about them to get help with an ongoing game, no. Idk there's definitely a line here somewhere and I'm not quite sure where it is and would prefer to stay on the safe side of it

Like I'm not in any games with wisdom so if we talked about how you read wisdom that'd definitely be fine

[Shoshin]

also, strange. so am I just too good as town to scumread you?

I think you have enough familiarity to know I'll make myself obvious town long before I ever get mislynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

but does that mean I wouldn't scumread you? Like your logic basically assumes that I know that you're town and would potentially be scum pushing on you but wouldn't because I wouldn't be able to, not that I couldn't be town misreading you.

[Shoshin]

I don't think the line should be "don't discuss anyone you're in a game with." Like, let's say I'm in two games with NSG. One of them ends. Can I then discuss my thoughts on reading NSG with other players in the endgame? Or do I have to wait until I finish the other game? The line should be not to discuss ongoing games or behaviors in ongoing with anyone. But past games or general tendencies based on past games? Why not? Just seems like an unworkable and absurd line to draw. But whatever, let's stop discussing this here.

[Shoshin]

I don't care if you misread me now as long as you correctly read me when it matters.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't make the rules. If you send the listmods a message and get their exact stance on it I will work with you within the bounds of what they allow.

[quote]I don't care if you misread me now as long as you correctly read me when it matters.[/quote

Aww. Ok. Let's pretend I townread you then, I feel bad now. I do think its pretty decently likely I'm only scumreading you because of the manner of your push on Skitter and I have info that suggests not that AI

[Shoshin]

I also don't think you've seen enough of how I play as scum to have a scumread that rises beyond mere speculation or irrational paranoia.

[RadiantCowbells]

<absence of reasons that I should read you as town> is a reason to scumread you though.

[Shoshin]

<absence of reasons that I should read you as town> is a reason to scumread you though.

Not really. Not unless everyone else is townier.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not if I think that I know you well enough that I should be townreading you by X point in the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Particularly given NSG is in this game and my read on her is precisely 'yeah she will do something that will hard vibe town for me and if she doesn't I powerlynch her'

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin what's your read on RC/the level of it?

Creature: townlean
Gammagooey: scumlean, but prolly not with nos
Kokichi: I like your idea of tying the gachapon if the winner isn't announced, but I don't like your iso. But meh, "hated" probably isn't the opposite alignment as the double voter. Townlean.
nsg: sheeping RC's scumlean for now
noferatu: scumlean, but prolly not with gamma
Porkens: townlean?
SirCakez: townlean
skitter: townlean
Varsoon: whatever
Reck: double voter is probably town?

Yay everyone but varsoon has done something AI already this really is gonna be a good game
ask for reasons if you're curious just thought I'd throw my attempt at reads in the thread

[RadiantCowbells]

Porkens could be scums

[Shoshin]

RC's town, 98% likely, almost beyond reasonable doubt.

I agree that Pork could be scum.