In post 1310, ejjinami wrote: In post 1308, Vex Vience wrote:ejjinami wrote:
Vex’s ideas about the setup seem stupidly honest. -_- I don’t think he’s faking the confidence in his logic, so if he’s scum I think it’s likely that he doesn’t have teammates that would be able to correct him.
That’s giving me more town vibes though. The logic has a really honest vibe to it and I think it’s unlikely that scum would be so enthusiastic to give out the role list choices, especially with that level of confidence. (ugh, mostly taking that back cuz of the statistics… but I got mostly townie vibes from him anyways, so the read doesn’t really change much)
trying to make sure that i get what you're saying:
if im scum, i am 100% traitor, correct?
however, that likely isn't the case, instead, im town, right?
actually, I didn’t even consider traitor here, but more or less yeah.
i can see how you could be getting to there, however, remember, im korina.
even though i really
really
hate self-meta (or meta arguments in general), my scum meta is highly different than how im playing.
i end up lurking out most of the game as scum only because i dont wanna give up my partners.
if im unrecruited traitor, id wanna try to signal to the others "hey, im traitor" somehow, no?
my major point is if im traitor, whats my signal here to tell the groupscum that im traitor?
acting as obvtown as traitor leads to me getting killed 75% of the time, plus it carries the risk of outing the others if i flip because i'd end up trying to signal im traitor, most likely by tring them. so why would i try to pull a gambit off like that as a role that i've never gotten before? why wouldnt i try to play it safe?
so, if my plan backfires and mafia don't pick up on my signal, they think im town, what happens?
i obviously get shot by mafia, but going past that, there's two major cases:
- mafia assume they were rb'd, and try killing me again - i obviously flip traitor
- mafia assume im traitor, and leave me alone
so once again, why would i risk that as a role ive never played as before?
In post 1312, ejjinami wrote: In post 1308, Vex Vience wrote: In post 1228, ejjinami wrote:
If I don't need to, then I wouldn't want to claim. That's not meant to be a soft btw
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Regardless of my role, I'm town, so giving out my role as VT would only make it easier for scum to PR-hunt (if there are any additional PRs) and I obviously shouldn't claim as a PR.
I don't really care how scummy my previous slot owner was, if I manage to save the slot without having to claim, then it's obviously more beneficial than if I do claim
so nah
uhh... i dont really like this post
i kinda like the tone, but the last part was kinda is odd to me, (the "it's obviously more beneficial" part)
if you claim you're bodyguard, then scum will target you n1 imo, because obviously you're jumping on one of your town-reads or creature
if you arent bg, then you're just another possible target for them n1, meaning you should claim vt
my thing is that not claiming, sure while it does help, it also hurts town
sure scum don't know what you are, but we also dont know what you are
I’m not sure if I get the point
If you say I should have fake-claimed BG (as VT), tbh it might have worked out, but I’m not really sure how would I feel about doing that.
I don’t like the idea of fake-claiming in general, because I don’t know most of the players here and I don’t know how would they react
And it’s not like I would have had enough time to read the thread and determine their personalities or sth
And town doesn’t need to know what role I am imo. If I’m a PR, I’ll do just fine when I’m hidden and if I’m a VT at least I can pose as a NK-bait.
So as long as I’m not lynched staying hidden is obviously better imo.
yea, that's what i was getting at:
if youre vt, claim bg. scum obviously will target you n1/n2 only because you'll be on creature/one of your strong trs, meaning you can give creature a secondary night to live. once you flip vt, mafia wasted the night, and you were basically a pseudo-bg.
if youre a pr, obviously you claim vt to try to avoid getting mafia to nk you
what do you mean about this?
that's what we're doing i think
In post 1336, Almost50 wrote:Did you guys check
Korina's Donner Party? That game came up often enough that you should have. In it; Ejji was the SK, and based on that I don't really know what to think of his posts here. I'll be first to admit there's nothing scummy in them, but I am also one who has been burnt often by a scum player replacing out and their replacement towning it up that people disregard the scummy behaviour/content of the original player.
I'll compromise on CJV or HWS but that'll be it. I don't think I want to lynch Enigma today, but I won't be fighting it if there's a majority of SRs on him doe some reason I don't really see.
im trying to compare ejji posting in here to sk!ejji
ejji did say that they hadnt played sk before, so im not sure what entirely to make of other games posts
In post 1340, ruru wrote:is tw what mathdino would call a "radioactive wagon for scum"?
I feel like town.tw is a valuable lynch for scum so it's interesting how hard it is to find votes for him
unless it's that
unless its what?
In post 1344, the worst wrote: In post 1336, Almost50 wrote:Ejji was the SK, and based on that I don't really know what to think of his posts here. I'll be first to admit there's nothing scummy in them, but I am also one who has been burnt often by a scum player replacing out and their replacement towning it up that people disregard the scummy behaviour/content of the original player.
wat nooo it was skygazer
ejji was original sk, who was replaced by sky, who just gave up
In post 1346, the worst wrote: In post 1341, skitter30 wrote:um not sure what 'radioactive wagon for scum' means so idk
he's just so nice and awesome and damn good at town and we mindmeld as tvt that i don't really want to lynch him and be wrong
especially not day1
this is really wolfy actually
what do you see in it thats wolfy?
i think the last part is off tonally but i dont really see it being all
that
wolfy imo
In post 1359, Almost50 wrote: In post 1344, the worst wrote: In post 1336, Almost50 wrote:Ejji was the SK, and based on that I don't really know what to think of his posts here. I'll be first to admit there's nothing scummy in them, but I am also one who has been burnt often by a scum player replacing out and their replacement towning it up that people disregard the scummy behaviour/content of the original player.
wat nooo it was skygazer
Sky is the one who eventually surrendered .. after replacing Ejji!!!
Check the players list. Slot #6: Skygazer >
ejjinami
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In post 1371, the worst wrote:hrm
VOTE: Enigma
sorry for stabbing the gamestate in the eye with a fork. I don't like either of the wagons lmao.
wdym?
nm, answer this truthfully, are you jester again?
motherfucker, that's my joke smh
In post 1395, the worst wrote:
gamestate dissonance here actually might be scum indicative. I've half assed my read on ruru I think
how so?
i dont really see it as ai.
i think its just more of a "this d1 is dragging on so long, why can't we just end it" type post
explain?
In post 1424, skitter30 wrote:i'm still very flummoxed by ur enigma read; like i feel like it came out of nowhere really
i agree
notmafia is literally what vigs are for imo; if there isn't one i will insist that he be pl'd before lylo especially since his slot has scum equity from before him
i also highly agree on this
In post 1433, skitter30 wrote:also i think this day kinda needs to end; i feel like a lot of the people i want to be talking to now have run outo f energy
i agree, this d1 has been dragging on for wayyy too long for me to actually like it anymore (hence me posting less and less for this d1)
expect me to be more active once d2 starts only because then we'll (hopefully) not have 5 people replaceout.
In post 1442, the worst wrote:idrk what I'm waiting for. just feels like we're succumbing to cliche low energy/charisma lynches and I'm not really seeing anyone I want dead more than the NM slot and everyone is being stupid and using that slot to vigtest when
1) we might not have a vig
2) it might be bulletproof
whatever I actually don't think I'm into this game enough to be upset about being mislynched
i mean, this d1 has been going on for about 17 days now, i think. its been dragging on for wayyyyy too long + the sheer number of replacements / prods is honestly demotivating to put forth effort into the game at this point tbh. i just wanna end the day and move on to the next one at this point, and see what the morning brings us.
to also counter your points:
1) we pl nm regardless before mylo/lylo. nm will not be making it to that point at all, ever. we're gonna vigtest him to (hopefully) save us a lynch if he's town
2) if he's bp, he still gets pl'd before mylo/lylo. we just won't know that the vig is in play until they shoot someone else
its not really that much of a waste to try to vigtest nm.
worst case, we dont have a vig or hes bp. regardless, he's getting hung at some point, so i dont really get how we're being stupid on this one
its much better to try to vigtest the troll-slot rather than on a possible scum
regardless of if nm flips town or mafia, he negatively hurts us, so whats the harm in vigging a known troll?.
