Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 1.25

Almost50 (0):

HeWhoSwims (0):

the worst (3):

Creature, ruru, Not_Mafia

ruru (0):

BuJaber (1):

Enigma

Not_Mafia (0):

Enigma (1):

the worst

ejjinami (2):

Almost50, Vex Vience

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (3):

HeWhoSwims, BuJaber, skitter30

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (2):

Gamma Emerald, ejjinami

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-14 16:30:00)

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- HeWhoSwims still needs to respond to his prod
- New Day 1 deadline!

[ruru]

@tw

why is my progression on your slot confusing?

[skitter30]

bleh that's an icky wagon too; i hadn't realized

i don't know where i want to vote right now

[BuJaber]

If HWS gets replaced will we get another extension?

[BuJaber]

bleh that's an icky wagon too; i hadn't realized

i don't know where i want to vote right now

Why not?

That's really too much hesitation for a day 1 lynch. You have scumreads. It's not like you're null on everyone. You either vote for one of them or sheep your townreads if you must.

[BuJaber]

Creature why are you voting TW?

[BuJaber]

Skitter when was the last time you read sky's ISO in all its glory?
I find it weird someone who knows her so well could be worried about that slot. I've yet to see anyone play scum like that. When someone checks off every typical scumtell like they're going down a list chances are they're not scum. Because that person cannot endgame. They will be PL'd at some point. So where is the scum motivation?
That's assuming sky is the type of player who takes heavy risks as scum. You'll have to tell me which it is there. Is she bold and reckless? Or careful and methodical? Because if it's the latter I feel that personality can't follow through with the do-scummy-things-on-purpose strategy anyway.

[BuJaber]

Actually I have to ask a general question first to determine type of player you are.

Are you for or against PL'ing miller claims?

I'm for it if you can't tell.
It's why sometimes I'm able to place someone in or out of my scumpool based on if I think they have a chance at endgaming or not. This is normally more applicable when someone actually claims a role, but I think it can be applied here also for sky/tw. Also to some extent to NM. Like some have said he's a good vig target but even if there isn't a vig that slot is likely to get PL'd sooner or later and is therefore not a priority to lynch now.

[Creature]

Creature why are you voting TW?

I've been too busy to do anything like changing my vote this game.

[Enigma]

Someone tell me where to vote pls, should I vote gamma or the duck?
We have just 1 day left before deadline and no plurality

[Almost50]

@skitter: This is gonna sound

very

anti-town, but I have to say it now because:

(a) We're running out of time
(b) The ongoing conversation is becoming a bit frustrating
(c) It is too obvious by now anyway

tw suspects Gamma might be a PR. I mean, Gamma could very well be scum too, but when it's "either scum or a PR playing scummy" you know you don't want to go their on D1.

Also, the focus on the Vig and their shot is making everybody disregard all other possibilities. Maybe we don't have a Vig but we have a Tracker? In that case the Tracker can verify whether Gamma acts at night and go from there.

I mean, I agree with that many possibilities and not even knowing how many PRs we have it's kind of impossible for us to figure the right night actions, but the PR(s) themselves will know what to do knowing -at least- what their specific role(s) are.

[skitter30]

bleh that's an icky wagon too; i hadn't realized

i don't know where i want to vote right now

Why not?

That's really too much hesitation for a day 1 lynch. You have scumreads. It's not like you're null on everyone. You either vote for one of them or sheep your townreads if you must.

{creature}
{a50, vex}
{}
{ruru, enigma}
{} - null

{bujaber, hws}

{nm}
{

gamma

, ejji, you} * ejji b/c of frank; don't want to lynch ejji today
{}

kinda like this

Gamma Emerald (3): HeWhoSwims, BuJaber

, skitter30

i don't have solid sky meta that i can talk about right now

my one completed game with her did end but i was scum and it's hard for me to meta someone when my only game with them i was scum; i don't pick up on things the same way from that side of things

Actually I have to ask a general question first to determine type of player you are.

Are you for or against PL'ing miller claims?

I'm for it if you can't tell.
It's why sometimes I'm able to place someone in or out of my scumpool based on if I think they have a chance at endgaming or not. This is normally more applicable when someone actually claims a role, but I think it can be applied here also for sky/tw. Also to some extent to NM. Like some have said he's a good vig target but even if there isn't a vig that slot is likely to get PL'd sooner or later and is therefore not a priority to lynch now.

no, i wouldn't really pl a miller claim by virtue of being a miller. if they were behaving scummy i'd lynch them but that's kinda independant of being a miller

idk i think i dislike a gamma vote the least right now but i'll probably vote elsewhere if necessary to prevent a no-lynch

p-edit i'm an idiot; no i didn't pick up on that; i think tw was being hesitatnt cuz of an ongoing game thing; i was very confused

VOTE: hws i guess

[Almost50]

VOTE: HWS

As I said before I can co,promise on a HWS lynch. He's not even doing the bare minimum to get past D1.

[ruru]

hws isn't here...

[ruru]

also the strength of my hws scumread is less than the strength of your ceejay scumread so probably we should just lynch nm

[skitter30]

i've kinda given up on the 'he's here not here' thing when we've had 5 replacements, hws might be up for one, and day1 has been going on this long tbh

[Almost50]

also the strength of my hws scumread is less than the strength of your ceejay scumread so probably we should just lynch nm

Maybe you missed it or you didn't take me seriously, but I'm most serious when I say I do NOT lynch N_M regardless of both our alignments. I don't even shoot the guy when I'm scum and he's town if I had a say on it. The one time I remember we shot him it wasn't my call and I argued against it in the scum PT.

Now I know it's unreasonable and borders on throwing, but the good news is I won't oppose it or fight or back. I just won't actively vote N_M myself.

[Almost50]

hws isn't here...

What did he do when he was here though? Was it enough for you to TR him?

[ruru]

I mean there's no way we're just lynching an afk slot when we can replace it with someone who will produce more readable content

[skitter30]

@ofrhz creature and hws need prods

prodded

i mean, 5 replacements, and he's due to be replaced in 6 hours; we haven't had super much luck with replacements producing readable content in reasonable periods of time

mwnn -> cj -> nm

anti -> bujaber who took like half a week to catchup

frank -> ejji who isn't caught up

sky -> tw who feels incredibly underwhelmed with the gamestate

i'm not super confident we'll get someone who'll give useable content in 48 hours and i feel like we've reached the point that we kinda need to move on given how apathetic everyone is

[ruru]

so why are we not just lynching tw

[Almost50]

I mean there's no way we're just lynching an afk slot when we can replace it with someone who will produce more readable content

And I mean I'd rather that than lynching someone who is producing content

[ruru]

tw has produced content and some of it is quite scummy
skygazer played her scum meta and ellitold
the best defense of the slot is "too scummy to be scum" and you're seriously considering lynching a nullscum with 20 posts when we might be able to talk to his replacement tomorrow?

[ruru]

like, I am 100% willing to compromise lynch hws if he posts again but he looks like he's getting force replaced and I would like to talk to his replacement

[skitter30]

because i'd feel bad lynching him if he's just town and apathetic :/

but he played the apathy card in american presidents mafia too which is why i'm kinda skeptical

i just don't like to be wrong on him

VOTE: tw