Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[teacher]

A votecount will be up in about 1.5 hours. One player still has not picked up their Role PM so I expect to start looking for a replacement this evening.

[Almost50]

there is too many pokemon!

Well, at least we have enough milk to last us for the next couple of years.

[Almost50]

but if u really wanna know it's u and penguin I'm worried about

Lay your cards then. Why do you suspect me? Why PP? Do you think we're scum together or are the SRs separate?

[Not_Mafia]

Vote Pingu

[implosion]

your organization is very awkward and almost contradictory, but I feel like you're a sort of train-of-thought writer

My turn.. why are you singling me out.. what's your experience with the rest of this playerbase?

People seemed to be scumreading you and I didn't know why. Honest to me you're one of my top town reads in this game by your reactions.
I don't have much experience except a little with Gamma and implosion. They're really hard to read but I don't think gamma is scum.

What reactions specifically and why are they unlikely to come from scum?

[Spooghetioso]

then what are you?

[Gamma Emerald]

yes but i do not know peoples names yet so for now i use nick names or there picture as them

black pokemon has black pokemon picture they are Carcalilly and that is who i am voting it was a mistake that i said pokemon with no color the first time because i did not know there was alot of pokemon and i already said sorry for that so there is not a need to be meen about it and say it every time

there is too many pokemon!

Carcalilly is a mouse but not a Pokémon.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

Am I right though? Or would scum!you push a similar case as you did on PP and then kinda take it back?

The truth is I would push PP in the way I did, and have pushed someone in that manner in the past. Not for lying, but for another reason. Either way your argument still reads contrived and you appealing to being right tells me you lack a sufficient counter.

[Carcalilly]

sigh I'm going to have to get on my PC to actually be able to explain properly, expect one later, I promise, Lynch me if I break that promise

[skitter30]

if bujaber is scum i don't think nm is

also i think carca may be town but i'm not sure; her playstyle is the sort that i have trouble reading

I can't read spaghetti for the life of me

qft

i kinda feel like he's spending too much time talking about people's avis and names instead of what's actually happening in the game; very few of his posts are actually discussing game content

[BuJaber]

It's a wifom argument of course it's contrived... if I said "I don't think scum would do that" someone will (or at least should) ask me "why not?" And I'd have to explain. I'm skipping that middle step.

That’s not my problem
I feel like your way of explaining it was rather roundabout

Am I right though? Or would scum!you push a similar case as you did on PP and then kinda take it back?

The truth is I would push PP in the way I did, and have pushed someone in that manner in the past. Not for lying, but for another reason. Either way your argument still reads contrived and you appealing to being right tells me you lack a sufficient counter.

Well it's a big fucking deal, if this is NAI for you then my TR on you is unfounded. You drop down to a nullread, the case on implosion falls apart because you might be scum, the SR on PP is slightly weakened because it is solely limited to his NM push now.

You just invalidated everything I did this game.
The only silver lining is you linked yourself to implosion (and slightly to PP). So at least if one of you flips scum the other is confscum.

I hope you're underestimating your own scumgame.

Updates: A50 town. Imp null. Gamma + skitter possible scum. (too many people voting me this early.. 100% 1+ is scum and since the wagon will probably dissipate for being an early one they think they'll be safe from scrutiny)

[BuJaber]

VC please let's see how many people are 'shocked' at the number of votes on me.

[implosion]

the case on implosion falls apart because you might be scum

It "falls apart" because he "might" be scum????

So at least if one of you flips scum the other is confscum.

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[implosion]

Wait a minute, your case on me fell apart because Gamma might be scum
and if Gamma is scum, then I am confscum
and as a result of all this, your read on me has gone from scum to null?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Please tell me I'm misreading something here.

[BuJaber]

also i think carca may be town but i'm not sure; her playstyle is the sort that i have trouble reading

Creature, you, and gamma have sll played with me before yet all 3 of you are scumreading me.

Carca who has never played with me before is townreading me.

You don't find that suspicious?

[BuJaber]

Not misreading.

Before he corrected me on his meta I townread gamma pretty strongly because I didn't think he'd call out PP like that as scum.

Because of this TR I scumread you for trying to push gamma and then saying it was a reaction test which I didn't believe.

Now that I know he can do it as scum I can't TR him. So he's null. If he's null then what you did stops being scummy.

So gamma's post has flipped my cases on their heads and invalidated them. Doing so he has indirectly defended you by making me look bad and making you look good. Therefore if he's scum you are too. But I don't have any reason to SR either of you anymore because the gamma thing has become NAI. So you're both nullreads but just associated with each other.

[implosion]

Now that I know he can do it as scum I can't TR him. So he's null. If he's null then what you did stops being scummy.

I'd be interested if you could show me any meta examples of you doing this kind of super-focused associative reading on day one as town, particularly where you say that one of your reads is completely invalidated because a different read changed.

I'm really, really skeptical of the fact that you're now saying two things:
1) if gamma is scum, then imp is scum
2) because of my previous townread on gamma, i had a scumread on imp
but you're not taking (2) to the logical conclusion of "if gamma is town, then imp is scum".
I don't understand how you can possibly have a nullread on me when you're saying that your previous townread on gamma led you to scumread me (implying that if gamma is town, then i am scum) and you're also saying that if gamma is scum then i am scum. Unless you're going off of some notion that I should have been townreading gamma at that point but the new information you got made it so that I shouldn't have been townreading gamma, which I have even more problems with.

[Gamma Emerald]

And more convoluted logic. My vote stays

[teacher]

Laptop died just as I finished the VC. I will be charged and up in 1.5

[Carcalilly]

Bujys posts are far too bold to be scum

[Carcalilly]

and tbh all this association if then blah blah crap hurts my already headache so I'm going to avoid it like the plague

[Carcalilly]

can we like just ignore NM

No
He’s fun

he confuses me

[CreativeMod1]

How on earth do you guys talk so much in the space of 2 days xD haha
I feel like a lot of what people is saying and their reads and stuff are based on knowledge of players themselves and there seems to be a lot of filler stuff with no actual talk (like memes and big bold texts) stuff that to me is screaming out 'notice me senpai' see how much I'm contributing

[Not_Mafia]

What's "contribution?"

[PenguinPower]

Something you never make.