NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

[Nosferatu]

Not my fault you cant solve a game by page 50

u didnt either

ur low content and ur reads suck

why do u even play at that rate

[Saudade]

aye boy im voting mafia while you mislynched a townie yesterday

[Garmr]

aye boy im voting mafia while you mislynched a townie yesterday

Actually nosf didn't vote mala and had her in his town reads. Unless you were aiming that at me?

[tictac]

I mean as far as I've seen Nosfu is basically universally null read and not pushed and you don't seem to have a problem with him.
The SK speculation is honestly Null, like he'd need to be a Serial Killer to make "speculation about SK" a valid point and I just don't really expect SK to be in this game given the trends in setup.
Also it was Gamma who brought up the SK stuff which confused Hugo into thinking SK was not only normal, but to be expected. It honestly makes sense why he would be fixated on a possible SK.

Nosf did have a wagon on day 1. Hugo is the only slot that didn't get voted at all.
Also nosf doesn't fall into the same category of 'easily mislynchable if town' folks imo.
If ya hang around the thread looking like a lynchbait 4 a significant amount of time and

absolutely nobody

tries to lynch ya even a little bit, there is probably a reason why, an that reason is probs that ya scum.

- A scumteam w fewer than expected number of member would have an increased reason to expect a SK to exist.
- There's no valid things mafia members to look 4 in thread beause of the informed pow.. except a possible SK.
- townies risk a nightkill by default. mafia doesn't,unless there's a SK.

--->increased interest in a potential SK is a scummy thing.
Which Hugo started doing on day 1.

@perf it’s not 100% but it’s a strong read

^this

tic...where you at with CT now?

Feeling pretty good still.

Yer gamestate comments about who is scumreading whom don't make sense to me.
Could ya go into some detail on what ya getting out of this particular answer?

[Hugo Stiglitz]

ok so, i'm here and this is really important to me right now because this is my first non newbie game and i had even asked the host where the setup is before subbing in. So the roles are basically 15 Any Alignments?? of course balanced. and it's just town and mafia right? i am on my phone now but i think I recall seeing that on the setup wiki was only red and green colors. Are there neutral or cult roles on this website? do they exist in this setup?

I'll try to give a basic breakdown of what a normal game is. A normal game is (for the most part) a closed setup (so only basic things like the existence of a town and mafia side are known) with specific rules as to what may or may not be included. When it comes to alignments, normals can have only town, mafia, and

serial killer. Serial killer can only appear in larges (it wasn't always like this but new changes made it this way).

The can be two mafia factions as well, but that's also exclusive to larges. Sine this is 15 players, this is a large,

and as such could include a serial killer

or second mafia faction (I say or because both would probably be a nightmare to balance). As for "how many mafia", the basic formula is this: take the amount of player slots in the game, divide it by 4, and that's ABOUT what to expect for the amount of mafia if there's one mafia team. So 15/4=3.75, but in practice I've seen a lot more 3 mafia setups than 4 mafia setups when it comes to 15 player games.

I have only discussed serial killer because of this first post directed at me. Thank you @ Io for being the only person who understands.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

VOTE: davesaz

still don't like this vote on dave right after he claimed vig, Lapsa also was second to last to vote Mala, so they were safe from being the "hammer" vote
VOTE: Lapsa

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Hugo Stiglitz

[Akarin]

Despite the weirdness around the wagon yesterday, Gamma's townpinging me like crazy today.

[Akarin]

why didn't you say my read on Tictac didn't progress naturally back on day 1 when I was actually pushing them?

What's this thing with questions having an expiration date?

[Akarin]

VOTE: davesaz

still don't like this vote on dave right after he claimed vig, Lapsa also was second to last to vote Mala, so they were safe from being the "hammer" vote
VOTE: Lapsa

Is there a reason Lapsa's vote on Dave strikes you as scummier than various other times Lapsa voted for people?

[Akarin]

If I vote Performer I put them at L-1 I think, not going to do that right now, but that's where my vote is, for the record.

Can't believe Dave didn't vig Performer either.

[Akarin]

I just start looking through some ISO's again and Akarin's 1162 is pretty weird as was their post calling Dave manipulative for claiming Vig.
Performer v Akarin does feel like TvS though.
I can't really tell which one is scum though since I can't actually get a solid reed on either, the push Akarin was making on Performer just does not feel like it was two scum buddies fighting.
This is mostly since Performer didn't seem to really care if Akarin voted him or not and if scum were going to start bussing then I would have expected Performer to at least try and make it look TvS and not SvS

Performer's fixation on tictac just feels too off for me to call Performer the definite town in this situation.
It just kind of feels like his only reason for voting him is his meta from two years ago and that tictac scum read him at some point.

I wasn't calling Dave manipulative for claiming vig, as we've gone over a couple times I didn't know Dave claimed vig at the time, thought he was scum for what

still

reads as a very manipulative post by Dave against Performer to me, the quote about Sci without the context.

Which I think was pretty clear in the context of that, but maybe

not

clear in the context of my ISO.
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The logic here is weird, like looking through my ISO with a conclusion already in mind. And all this stuff about how Performer and I look like SvS but not really. Not voting for me but planting that thought.

And the way Performer is suspected but no commitment to a scumread, but no defense either.

If Performer flips scum, Io seems like a likely buddy.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

VOTE: Hugo Stiglitz

Nice OMGUS vote.

VOTE: davesaz

still don't like this vote on dave right after he claimed vig, Lapsa also was second to last to vote Mala, so they were safe from being the "hammer" vote
VOTE: Lapsa

Is there a reason Lapsa's vote on Dave strikes you as scummier than various other times Lapsa voted for people?

Ya............like I literally just explained.......Lapsa voted Dave after Dave claimed vig...

[Gamma Emerald]

So I don’t think anyone understands why I switched to Performer
I noticed the person he was asking me about (Hugo) was the largest wagon that wasn’t him. This made me realize the question he asked was mostly likely asked with the intent of getting on that wagon. As such I think he’s scum.

[Akarin]

Ya............like I literally just explained.......Lapsa voted Dave after Dave claimed vig...

...

Yes, that is a thing that factually happened.

Why is that Lapsa's scummiest vote?

[Lapsa]

trying to figure out how Saudade is supposedly participating in this game

Lapsa shouldn't be townread
nor scumread
fucking null

Lapsa isn't scum lol

Unless I missed something, enlighten me, davesaz

what reason does laps has to be on your list of "do not lynch"

an exercise for the reader:

read my posts in between 354 & 486

people do complain having issues reading me but this read progression seems fake

[Lapsa]

@Gamma I still don't get it. do you really want to talk about it?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma I still don't get it. do you really want to talk about it?

If you’re open to talk about it yeah. What don’t you get?

[Lapsa]

I think that Saudade is wrong about me not talking to him, I've given opinions about him and the cases he's made on me in various posts like 243, 396, 404, 531, 760, and 769. However, despite this this he has never really had a real conversation with me or even considered I might be town. Meanwhile I've tried to sort him by asking questions about his reads such as in 1292, but he has said nothing about it. I'm not sure right now whether Saudade is just scum pushing me or a bad townie. I've seen him tunnel people while absolutely certain they are scum in a previous game I had with him where he targeted Garmr, so I think this just might be natural for him. However, I do have my eye on him for now.

10 minutes passed

Also, Performer, the only reason I haven't voted Saudade up yet is because I have had many scumreads throughout this game and there were always people who I thought were better candidates for a vote. In this case, I believe you are more scummy due to ignoring Garmr's points against you and passing his argument off as ATE. Your latest posts haven't made me feel better, especially since you are saying you think something is weird from people not scumreading those who scumread them. I don't believe that all people pushing against me while I'm town are scum, so I think that the argument is weak and based on poor logic. Overall, posts like 1387 and 1388 seem more like attempts to change the subject than anything else.

VOTE: Performer

@Completly Trustworthy how come you are able to talk so collected to scum like in 1390? do you expect them to agree or something?

[Io]

I just start looking through some ISO's again and Akarin's 1162 is pretty weird as was their post calling Dave manipulative for claiming Vig.
Performer v Akarin does feel like TvS though.
I can't really tell which one is scum though since I can't actually get a solid reed on either, the push Akarin was making on Performer just does not feel like it was two scum buddies fighting.
This is mostly since Performer didn't seem to really care if Akarin voted him or not and if scum were going to start bussing then I would have expected Performer to at least try and make it look TvS and not SvS

Performer's fixation on tictac just feels too off for me to call Performer the definite town in this situation.
It just kind of feels like his only reason for voting him is his meta from two years ago and that tictac scum read him at some point.

I wasn't calling Dave manipulative for claiming vig, as we've gone over a couple times I didn't know Dave claimed vig at the time, thought he was scum for what

still

reads as a very manipulative post by Dave against Performer to me, the quote about Sci without the context.

Which I think was pretty clear in the context of that, but maybe

not

clear in the context of my ISO.
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The logic here is weird, like looking through my ISO with a conclusion already in mind. And all this stuff about how Performer and I look like SvS but not really. Not voting for me but planting that thought.

And the way Performer is suspected but no commitment to a scumread, but no defense either.

If Performer flips scum, Io seems like a likely buddy.

Ok, I didn’t see that.

[Lapsa]

HI NOSFORATU! I HAS NEWS FOR YOU!!1111

YOU DIDN'T VOTE MALA AND HAD HER IN YOUR TOWN READS122

CONGRATULATIONS

[Purrcocet]

I would just like more people to be like Purr.

never ever ever say these words again

If I vote Performer I put them at L-1 I think, not going to do that right now, but that's where my vote is, for the record.

Can't believe Dave didn't vig Performer either.

I mean
I cant believe he didnt die after he said he was going to 1000 times -__-

[Io]

VOTE: CT

I don't like most of the people on Per's wagon.
I do like saude.
I don't like CT.
Therefore, I'm following my gut with CT.

[Nosferatu]

HI NOSFORATU! I HAS NEWS FOR YOU!!1111

YOU DIDN'T VOTE MALA AND HAD HER IN YOUR TOWN READS122

CONGRATULATIONS

told yall not to lynch a slot for like a week

yall lynched the slot for garmrs dumb logic

"u cant comprehend my points so ur not responding" faceass lmao

[Garmr]

HI NOSFORATU! I HAS NEWS FOR YOU!!1111

YOU DIDN'T VOTE MALA AND HAD HER IN YOUR TOWN READS122

CONGRATULATIONS

told yall not to lynch a slot for like a week

yall lynched the slot for garmrs dumb logic

"u cant comprehend my points so ur not responding" faceass lmao

Wasn't dumb logic just I was wrong. Mala should of played better.