Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[Naomi-Tan]

Get off NM.

1) Light Ethos made a lot of sense.

2) I actually don’t dislike the gunsmith on town, HOWEVER, it does also make sense as scum, I’ll give it that, but it gets fake guilties on the vig and the cop.

3) Man, my Sasha read was correct. I understand the kill shot there, though. @KRAZY - that dead thread gonna be fun, huh?

No, I didn't take issue with the target, it was the fact they used a random number generator to select it.

[profii]

Damn, Profii. That was scummy. Right after I went for Performer you did the exact only other option that could potentially get you two lynched in NM/Gamma

right the lesson from our pair game was sometimes dont try and survive if flipping me is pro town.

dont take me and gamma to lylo

either both scum bussed Crimson or one of us is scum.,

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma: Would you bus NM?

Yes. Via his claim he’s confirmed scum, so defending him doesn’t gain me anything.

[Mister Rogers]

I am pretty much down for any of the three listed and any votes for those three are pro-town. I will look closely at each of them when off of work tonight.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it’s Performer and one of Profii/Gamma/NM.

Gamma is saying it’s not likely Rogers is a neighbour

This leaves him with little choice off wagon - ie if Gunsmith busses, do we think both scum pals busses? I doubt it

So look off wagon

Sash - flipped
Krazy - flipped
Crimson - flipped

That leaves

Rogers - gamma declared this likely town
Gamma himself
Me
Performer

Hence the reason I asked him what his read on me was - he is not forthcoming with with either a scum-busser (outside the obvious) or his options off wagon for scum #3 - he has pretty much gotta scum read me or performer given the above PoE and I think given he couldn’t even say “I think you are ____” he hasn’t formulated a fake read so he deflected

Which makes n_m worth hanging on to for now

VOTE: gamma
Or pointing the finger off wagon

Well excuuuuuse me princess for not making the connection to the wagon.

[Almost50]

Btwm, RE: Gamma, would a player of Gamma's skill bus NM?

I don't think bussing your p on D2 after your other p has been lynched on D1 is at all an option.

Sasha was one of my strongest suspects after the Crimson flip has been confirmed, so while I regret the death of TPR I really really can't blame Krazy for shooting there.

I also say it's very unlikely (from my own PoV) that Rogers is scum. I don't see scum going out of there way to defend Crimson that hard. He is most probably just a noob playing by the book. (Despite his join date he has less than 2K posts in total).

Back to mys suspects, I think Performer/Gamma have at least one scum in them (now that Sasha is gone). In my mind it was Performer+Sasha with Gamma as an outsider. I admit I still could be wrong about Gamma because I have a tendency to SR his playstyle of late, so not pushing there.

Also, I see N_M already accumulated 4 votes, so I think it's safe to

VOTE: Performer

for now, although I have yet to read beyond this post I'm quoting.

@Rogers: Check tw's read lists (he posted 2 of them). In both he had Sasha as a STRONG TOWN READ. That's not scum!tw. Scum!tw would have gone with the flow, and Sasha was by no means a global TR. I'm not gonna talk about his TR on Krazy and/or SR on Crimson because -if scum- his knowledge of their true alignments would dictate such reads (since they were both "claimed PRs"). Sasha didn't claim and thus I see no reason for tw to TR him this strong.

Anyway, will try to catch up in the next few minutes bc I have a game to watch and then come back to you.

[profii]

I think it’s Performer and one of Profii/Gamma/NM.

Gamma is saying it’s not likely Rogers is a neighbour

This leaves him with little choice off wagon - ie if Gunsmith busses, do we think both scum pals busses? I doubt it

So look off wagon

Sash - flipped
Krazy - flipped
Crimson - flipped

That leaves

Rogers - gamma declared this likely town
Gamma himself
Me
Performer

Hence the reason I asked him what his read on me was - he is not forthcoming with with either a scum-busser (outside the obvious) or his options off wagon for scum #3 - he has pretty much gotta scum read me or performer given the above PoE and I think given he couldn’t even say “I think you are ____” he hasn’t formulated a fake read so he deflected

Which makes n_m worth hanging on to for now

VOTE: gamma
Or pointing the finger off wagon

Well excuuuuuse me princess for not making the connection to the wagon.

If you had said oh I’m reading you such and such I’d have given you the benefit of the doubt and said maybe you just didn’t do any poe

But because you hesistated I asked myself why and that’s where it went

Of course both scum could have bussed but I that’s pretty ruthless although I suppose he was just a goon

[Almost50]

2) I actually don’t dislike the gunsmith on town, HOWEVER, it does also make sense as scum, I’ll give it that, but it gets fake guilties on the vig and the cop.

i.e. it was meant to be a NEGATIVE UTILITY

[Creature]

Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

[Almost50]

Rogers is town for that defense of Crimson. Gamma town for his push right now. Naomi town for her push of Crimson.

According to this, you think it's Performer and ... Profii???

I mean, you've declared Rogers, Gamma, Naomi, Light & N_M as town reads. You and Creature are Masons, and I don't think you would consider me for scum today!! (Light also has no gun, so if N_M is town then Light is most likely mechanically cleared).

P-edit: Yes. The Gunsmith outs 2 PRs at the very least, if not leading to the lynch of one of them out of paranoia.

[Almost50]

I think Saudade slot is scum over Ducky slot.

OK, maybe I misunderstood. So you do NOT have that much confidence in the N_M slot anymore.

[Almost50]

Mafia is proven not to have a roleblocker

GOOD POINT.

[profii]

Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

imagine if the town gunsmith found Krazy

then Rogers hard defends him due to hood pocketing for whatever was said in there.

could look really bad for those 2 if the town jumped to a conclusion

[Flavor Leaf]

Get off NM.

1) Light Ethos made a lot of sense.

2) I actually don’t dislike the gunsmith on town, HOWEVER, it does also make sense as scum, I’ll give it that, but it gets fake guilties on the vig and the cop.

3) Man, my Sasha read was correct. I understand the kill shot there, though. @KRAZY - that dead thread gonna be fun, huh?

No, I didn't take issue with the target, it was the fact they used a random number generator to select it.

Sure, but it’s Not_Mafia. You don’t even know if that’s actually how he targeted or he just felt like saying that’s how he targeted. Regardless, that’s not AI at all, and if he actually did a randomizer, if anything, that leans towards him being town moreso than scum. He came in at the very end of the day, he probably had no idea where to actually go.

As scum, he would have a partner at least giving some decent suggestions.

Light Ethos answer doesn’t really come from scum, I feel. He’s not out of the dog house yet, but enough to at least warrant lasting another day phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

2) I actually don’t dislike the gunsmith on town, HOWEVER, it does also make sense as scum, I’ll give it that, but it gets fake guilties on the vig and the cop.

i.e. it was meant to be a NEGATIVE UTILITY

This. Especially if there’s a mafia doctor.

Because of that, even if NM ended up being scum, don’t necessarily count out LE. However, I’m going to put LE in the town side until things show us we shouldn’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

This is funny because he more or less said this in the mason thread, so I see this as a sarcastic little quip.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

imagine if the town gunsmith found Krazy

then Rogers hard defends him due to hood pocketing for whatever was said in there.

could look really bad for those 2 if the town jumped to a conclusion

Sasha would have also had a gun to a gunsmith. So it was even more than that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Rogers is town for that defense of Crimson. Gamma town for his push right now. Naomi town for her push of Crimson.

According to this, you think it's Performer and ... Profii???

I mean, you've declared Rogers, Gamma, Naomi, Light & N_M as town reads. You and Creature are Masons, and I don't think you would consider me for scum today!! (Light also has no gun, so if N_M is town then Light is most likely mechanically cleared).

P-edit: Yes. The Gunsmith outs 2 PRs at the very least, if not leading to the lynch of one of them out of paranoia.

Yeah, Performer/Profii is probably my leading suspected team.

Performer/Profii
Performer/Gamma
Performer/NM
NM/Profii
Gamma/Light Ethos
NM/Light Ethos

Is me ranking what I think the team is. I feel the team is definitely one of these.

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually take out Gamma/LE. I’m silly. Gamma wouldn’t have tried to take him out before NM claimed in the case of LE being a scum doc.

And Gamma being a scum doc wouldn’t want to take it NM.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cop and gunsmith both being town can make sense too, because it lets you double check those fake guilties, which we already knew we had.

Scum Gunsmith DOES make sense, however.

I actually wouldn’t mind mass claiming this day phase, to be honest. We already have 3 outed claims. I think we could POE some stuff down with a mass claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh, maybe don’t need to do that today. Tomorrow for sure, though

[profii]

Rogers is town for that defense of Crimson. Gamma town for his push right now. Naomi town for her push of Crimson.

According to this, you think it's Performer and ... Profii???

I mean, you've declared Rogers, Gamma, Naomi, Light & N_M as town reads. You and Creature are Masons, and I don't think you would consider me for scum today!! (Light also has no gun, so if N_M is town then Light is most likely mechanically cleared).

P-edit: Yes. The Gunsmith outs 2 PRs at the very least, if not leading to the lynch of one of them out of paranoia.

Yeah, Performer/Profii is probably my leading suspected team.

Performer/Profii
Performer/Gamma
Performer/NM
NM/Profii
Gamma/Light Ethos
NM/Light Ethos

Is me ranking what I think the team is. I feel the team is definitely one of these.

I'm quite happy to help you lynch performer today - just once that's done, if you believe scum was 1 on 1 off crimson wagon - which i reckon is likely (noting most of your combos agree) then dont let me and gamma stay in the game together too long. He's inability to commit to a read was highly telling to me.

[Almost50]

I am for a mass claim if that helps you see things better from a setup-balancing perspective.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am for a mass claim if that helps you see things better from a setup-balancing perspective.

There’s actually likely a protective of some sort on town in this setup, so i actually don’t want to mass claim

I imagine protectives on me is solid. Forces scum to kill NM if NM is town.

[Mister Rogers]

I did the wagonomics on Profii, he isn't scum for his VERY early interactions with the Crimson wagons.