Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[BuJaber]

Yeah we tried this new strategy where 1 of us flakes out, 1 of us jesters it up then replaces out, and the last one refuses to bus either. Totally plausible

[ruru]

I find it weird that ruru is able to push tw for bussing cjv which seems rather reachy.

why is bussing reachy there and not bussing reachy here?

[ruru]

I'm fairly confident we've had a wagon on at least one scum today and the fact that the game is just stalling seems to point to scum not wanting to bus

[BuJaber]

Because that was tw and not me and that was at a time when cjv wasn't an obvious lynch. There were many other optioms to shade.

[Gamma Emerald]

@ofrhz gamma is due for prodding

Yeah I think there isn’t much new being presented
We need a lynch

[ruru]

tw apparently isn't an obvious lynch either.

[BuJaber]

I'm fairly confident we've had a wagon on at least one scum today and the fact that the game is just stalling seems to point to scum not wanting to bus

That is more indicative of there being a wagon on scum right now.

If everyone, town and scum alike, are posting very little scum cannot bus and risk a quick hammer from the absent townies. They cannot aggressively push the counterwagon because as soon as a mislynch occurs the other player would be a prime suspect.

[ruru]

I think tw is more likely to make endgame right now than ceejay was to make endgame even before tw claimed a guilty

[BuJaber]

tw apparently isn't an obvious lynch either.

So why are you drawing the parallel between us then?

TW if scum, bussed his not-obviously-getting-lynched partner.

Now you're saying if I'm scum I'm NOT bussing my not-obviously-getting-lynched partner.

[ruru]

yes, both of those are things that scum do.

[BuJaber]

I think tw is more likely to make endgame right now than ceejay was to make endgame even before tw claimed a guilty

I would agree but if that was the plan behind tw's bussing why wouldn't scum!me join the cjv wagon also?

[BuJaber]

yes, both of those are things that scum do.

So how did you decide it was scummy for tw to do it then?

If both options are things scum would do how do you determine when it's actually AI?

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait tw claimed a guilty where

[ruru]

yes, both of those are things that scum do.

So how did you decide it was scummy for tw to do it then?

If both options are things scum would do how do you determine when it's actually AI?

I believe I have several posts on this subject

[ruru]

let's talk about this:

That is more indicative of there being a wagon on scum right now.

If everyone, town and scum alike, are posting very little scum cannot bus and risk a quick hammer from the absent townies. They cannot aggressively push the counterwagon because as soon as a mislynch occurs the other player would be a prime suspect.

so, suppose this implies gamma is scum because your vote is there so I assume you mean him

the counterwagons of tw and alonzo have basically been aggressively solo pushed by me; one of them must be town

do you think scum would be displaying support when I push town?

[Alonzo]

Sorry, will type reads when home from work

[ruru]

@Alonzo can you give one-word reads on {tw, bujaber, gamma, ejji, enigma}? just post them asap if you can and explain later

[BuJaber]

yes, both of those are things that scum do.

So how did you decide it was scummy for tw to do it then?

If both options are things scum would do how do you determine when it's actually AI?

I believe I have several posts on this subject

Yes but when I read them earlier I got the impression it was specific to TW. Now that you are presenting it in this way it contradicts that notion. So it's not clear to me anymore why you thought TW was scum if this is a general thing that scum would do in that scenario.

let's talk about this:

That is more indicative of there being a wagon on scum right now.

If everyone, town and scum alike, are posting very little scum cannot bus and risk a quick hammer from the absent townies. They cannot aggressively push the counterwagon because as soon as a mislynch occurs the other player would be a prime suspect.

so, suppose this implies gamma is scum because your vote is there so I assume you mean him

the counterwagons of tw and alonzo have basically been aggressively solo pushed by me; one of them must be town

do you think scum would be displaying support when I push town?

Not without some town support first. One vote is not a wagon.

[Alonzo]

@Alonzo can you give one-word reads on {tw, bujaber, gamma, ejji, enigma}? just post them asap if you can and explain later

TLDR
sky/TW null-scum
bluJ/AH- Town lean
Gamma-scum lean
Frank/Ejji-Slow start but null-town
enigma-Town lean

While im here

ruru-Town lean
VV town lean

Wanna rr skitter before I complete that read.

[ruru]

Yes but when I read them earlier I got the impression it was specific to TW. Now that you are presenting it in this way it contradicts that notion. So it's not clear to me anymore why you thought TW was scum if this is a general thing that scum would do in that scenario.

scum sometimes bus and sometimes don't bus; calling either option reachy or implausible is odd without supporting evidence

my scumread on tw is specific to tw and his posting and not based on "ceejay was probably a bus so I picked someone random on his wagon"

[ruru]

Not without some town support first. One vote is not a wagon.

*shrug*

people have been voting with me

what do you think of their votes?

[BuJaber]

Well gamma I think is scum.
Vex and skitter I think are town regardless of how they vote.
Alonzo is hypothetically innocent
That leaves enigma who I still scumread and tw who's more like null.

Even if I accept that you would scumread two opposite behaviors in the same game, I still don't see how you jumo to me being a teammate of tw.

[ruru]

Even if I accept that you would scumread two opposite behaviors in the same game

I still don't understand why this is a thing

[ruru]

also, I don't really particularly read you as a duckling partner but I wanted to see what would happen

I'm thinking alonzo is probably actually just scum

[Gamma Emerald]

@Alonzo can you give one-word reads on {tw, bujaber, gamma, ejji, enigma}? just post them asap if you can and explain later

TLDR
sky/TW null-scum
bluJ/AH- Town lean
Gamma-scum lean
Frank/Ejji-Slow start but null-town
enigma-Town lean

While im here

ruru-Town lean
VV town lean

Wanna rr skitter before I complete that read.

Why do you have no strong reads