Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[ruru]

like you were on the a50 wagon that was never happening so why not just sheep creature there if you thought he was scummy?

[Irrelephant11]

Traitor + groupscum left because cjv flipped goon.

But why do you assume scum didn't recruit traitor?

[BuJaber]

What? How does my statement assume that? Recruited traitor is still a traitor

[Irrelephant11]

- Recruit Traitor as Mafia Goon

hmmm okay you're wrong, but I guess not in a scummy way...

[BuJaber]

Ahh okay nevermind ofrhz posted a recruited traitor PM and it says Mafia goon in the actual PM.

Pedit - you asking made me go back and check. that's what happens when you skim mod posts.

[Korina]

Traitor + groupscum left because cjv flipped goon.

But why do you assume scum didn't recruit traitor?

Because IMO that's a waste of a modifier.
And that also gives Town a greater chance of goon cop, (and for the GC to find an actual goon), unless scum takes extra modifiers to try to prevent the goon-cop from getting guilty, however that comes with the risk of town getting

more

prs.

Realistically, scum wouldn't want that chance, so they'd leave traitor as traitor.

[BuJaber]

Vex is back

Any updates on reads?

[Korina]

Slowly working on them.
Trying to parse through TW's iso and all the posts I grabbed from it...
which was basically a huge portion of them.

[Korina]

Also trying to figure out how I wanna go about reading Irrelephant considering that's the third replacement for that slot, and it just seems to be getting townier each replacement.

[Irrelephant11]

wow somehow my catching up efforts have completely ignored korina so far
hi korina

I feel confident in saying

BuJaber is not the traitor

That seemed way too convoluted to be a fake slip
I'm also townreading the slot & idk why skitter/ruru are going there...

[Korina]

I mean, ignoring the catching up, I'm more interested in what you have to say/have been posting.
Also, care to explain why you think Buj isn't traitor?

[Irrelephant11]

idk what you're saying in that first sentence
The answer to your question is on this page

[Enigma]

Hi catching up and responding to various posts as I read through

Hot take: vca tells me one or two of scum are in vex/skitter/enigma
Postcounts tell me skitter/ruru/the worst/vex are town
This is a cheap read but I want my slot to be readable and for this game to be playable as fast as possible

VOTE: enigma

hypo-claim no result (either roleblocked or checked A50)

If you are looking at EoD1, I would have voted anything because I was ready for D1 to be over. Plus if I was scum, I would like to think I would just lurk and hope for no majority rather than vote a scumbuddy - like as scum I would gain no cred (and probably lose cred) from voting NM considering the game state.

[Irrelephant11]

good points
who's scum and why

[Irrelephant11]

Korina where'd you go? who's scum and why?

[Enigma]

who plays scum self-sacrificially what

I'll need more than gut on enigma to townread him
Or at least I'll need enigma to come make my gut feel it too

fair point re:HWS but I think that if he was scum that makes it more likely the other scum tries to hop on the wagon, knowing that if they don't it'll be a pure wagon. Either way I think a scum on the wagon is likely, and that if I'm right on that it's either enigma or someone widely townread like vex or skitter
Leaning the former because of the fact that town functioned well enough to hit scum
What was the case on the red slot? Lurkiness? Or like a real case someone put forward?

I think the VCA needs to consider the game state. Part of my reasoning for voting NM was just to get a flip. I don't recall being convinced on CJV (or that slot) being scum, especially with the lack of content from that slot. All three players in that slot barely had any posts, so I didn't really have a read - a few others were more convinced (CJV meta) but I didn't see that. On NM, I'm quite neutral on keeping him around as he can sometimes have good reads later, though he is a bit hard to read himself (which is a liability so don't mind not seeing him endgame).

[Enigma]

good points
who's scum and why

At this stage still considering Alonzo and duck.

And I want to do this for now
VOTE: Alonzo
Completely underwhelming so far (no reads, no content, entrance terrible) + HWS was scummy

On Alonzo, nothing has really changed since this. Also, the A50 comment from him (and continued persistence on it) is weird.

Duck in part because of Sky's slot. I also can't quite figure out how he was so sure on the CJV slot because absolutely no content and CJV siteflaked, so probably a bit of suspicion about bussing. Also his comment about the vig at EoD1 felt vig baity.

[Korina]

@Irrelephant
I'm in school.
Do you really expect me to work on reads while the teacher is teaching, meaning I can get in trouble for not working on school stuff?

I was looking through Ruru's ISO before needing to take a break, and other classes called.

[Enigma]

Also, on scum reads forgot your slot which I still think has potential to be scum. Ejji and frank were rather scummy, though usually don't mind to give replacements a bit of time to settle in so I can reread the slot.

[Irrelephant11]

@korina I have no clue what your real life looks like in the moment I was just curious where you went

@enigma I'll go look at eod1 stuff then I guess

[ruru]

Also his comment about the vig at EoD1 felt vig baity.

my issue with this is kind of the opposite for the record

it's that if there's any individual agency in the vig shot, scum will have an easier time vighunting - they get to base it off of both players' scumreads and also off of which players in the list might gt and ignore the vig plan

even if the vig

does

shoot tw it's still leaking information that the players who might have ignored the vote are less likely to be vig

also that the shot could hit a PR or whatever, probably not a big deal in this particular setup

anyway my vote on him at eod was like a kneejerk policy thing

I can see him doing it as town but it's really highly policy lynchable and slightly scummy too

[ruru]

speaking of which,

HURT: the worst

I think this is correct regardless of how people are reading tw; if a vig exists, he's probably scum

[the worst]

VOTE: Enigma[/b]
daycop guilty tbh

[Irrelephant11]

@vex - in the bolded I was saying that your setup spec was premature imo and might lead us to false assumptions by doing without having any additional info via claims/flips. The only thing we know now that we didn't know before the game started is that creature is IC and therefore scum didn't pick 0 powers, they picked at least 1.
In this game the setup spec might not hurt town so much, but it doesn't help town either because it's hypothetical and might encourage some people to jump to early conclusions that end up being false. But there was one good thing that came out of it which is that you became widely townread.

the worst you said you're not sheeping me? So why are you voting him

[Irrelephant11]

literally zero clue why that quote is there