Open 734: Paris Mafia (13-player variation) - Game Over

[Aristophanes]

Bonjour tout le monde!

Ceci est une poste Ego!

[Aristophanes]

UnrealSeal will be replaced unless he returns before a replacement is found.

I mean, it's been 7 days. I probably wouldn't take him back tbh

[Aristophanes]

I should mention...

V/LA Friday through Monday

Yay Toronto Meet!

I'll see what I can do for a catch up tho.

V/LA noted

[Aristophanes]

Howdy Lane!
How've you been??

[Aristophanes]

Oh lol so I just read the setup. Mimes are an Antitown Roleblocking Jester faction?? That's madness!

[Aristophanes]

Also holy shit, i love this playerlist! =D

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Doubting Thomas
Page 1 Mime claim more likely to come from Mafia than Mime I think.

Also, hi Thor. Any particular reason for sesq over the others?

We can -of course- lynch DT, and if he flips Mime we shoot both Fink and Eragon (Mafia will agree to shoot there as they also don't want the Mimes winning).

So,

if DR flips Mime, Town Vig shoots Fink and Mafia shoot Eragon.

Umm...Vig shoots a Mime claim. Always.

Lynching a Mime claim is idiotic XD

[Aristophanes]

Oh yay!

[Aristophanes]

I can like, hammer but I'm nit reading on the meet...

[Aristophanes]

Vote Count

No Lynch - 2 - Jingle, GuiltyLion

Not Voting - Fink, Thor665, Eragon, FA_Q2, Nero Cain, RockyHorror, innocentvillager

Not Voting - Aristophanes

Deadline is Wednesday, September 12 at 5:30pm EST.

Aristophanes is not voting even harder than the rest of us

I mean, you aren't wrong

Reading D2 now. Might have something to say soon.

[Aristophanes]

Almost50 was killed Night 1. He was a

vanilla townie

Sesq was also killed Night 1. She was a

Vanilla townie

Day 2 starts now

Deadline is Wednesday, September 12 at 5:30pm EST.

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Sorry, didn't realize you were VT crumbing until superlate. 443 was super nice though.

This post is super weird, like "Lookie I realized they were VT so I def didn't kill them!"

Also What in God's Name is a Hypo Claim!?!?

[Aristophanes]

Vig claim is good tho...if we find the mime they are now solely RBing the Vig, so Mafia can run free but mime can't block the watcher.

Honestly the plan looks like a decent idea.

[Aristophanes]

Like vig will always target mime once found so mime has to target vig. This leaves them love-locked and therefore the rest of the game can be played properly!

[Aristophanes]

That makes much more sense.

Looking off the wagon, I honestly forgot Aristophanes was in the game until now - is it normal for him to do nothing in a game like this?

Hi! We must have never met yet!

I've played in more games than most people of the site (check my Wiki if you doubt me) but I am horrendous at posting in them and am usually among the lowest posters ingame. I am high posting in other parts of the site but have trouble getting game things on paper I guess. Anyway, it used to be a scum meta but is now just the way I play. I know it's annoying and unhelpful, but I play the long game and that's part of the reason.

Also it was the long weekend and I didn't really get a chance to get into this until now, so here we are!

[Aristophanes]

In order:
Hypo claim means we all claim who we would have seen targeting whom last night.





Goddammit man, why do I always want to lynch you?

I don't know, but it's not just you XD

[Aristophanes]

Dead thread is dead.

How do you know?
You're not dead yet!

[Aristophanes]

Shiiiiiit ya got me! XD

[Aristophanes]

You've got my vote!

[Aristophanes]

I'm not really caught up, but Thor, do you think that case by Rocky makes him scummy or makes him just laughable?

[Aristophanes]

Ill just edit me into your list.

“Vote” Count

FA_Q2 (2?):

Nero, GL?

GuiltyLion (1):

Fink, FA_Q2

Not even “vote”ing (6):

Jingle, Thor, Eragon, Rocky, IV, Aristo
9 Alive

Thor for scummie (2):

FA_Q2, Aristo

^ you had thor under thor for scummie.....

Of course! He would obviously Nth it! XD

[Aristophanes]

Rocky Horror really feels like they're tryharding and have been pushing Thor almlst since they joined the game. Could easily be scum trying to provoke a townie/mime they don't think will get people mobilized against them. I really dont like framinf Thor as mime to discredit their push either, as it kinda furthers this theory like, a lot.

[Aristophanes]

Why are we no lynching wgen it is likely we can avoid a mime hit? We only increase the chances of it each day.

VOTE: Rocky

[Aristophanes]

Also I'm really sorry. My time for this has been so minimal it makes me sad.

[Aristophanes]

Fine, I'll hammer it when people ask. Consider this intent.

[Aristophanes]

I think I'm currently just going to tell Mafia and Vig to roll ruddy RNGs and shoot whoever the hell. Seriously now. (but, shoot on the wagon)

I mean, I'd volunteer as tribute but that'd be antitown

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: NL


Ill do more next day maybe. This is def a game I get brought to endgame because I'm bad at it.

[Aristophanes]

At least we're back on a regular Mylo/Lylo schecule lol

[Aristophanes]

Are we really gonna NL the game until it ends?

This sucks.

[Aristophanes]

We should seriously make sure everyone has time to post at least once before NLing

To what end? If this is the game strat it doesnt matter if we check in or not lol

[Aristophanes]

Waiting on Rocky, Nero, and IV.

[Aristophanes]

We should seriously make sure everyone has time to post at least once before NLing

To what end? If this is the game strat it doesnt matter if we check in or not lol

Also in case I die this is a super scummy post

it's like Ari isn't thinking at all from town perspective of having watcher info

Meh? Night play games are less interesting in general, which is something I've come to appreciate when making setups of my own. It took me some time to understand it, but I niw try ti make games that are more day oriented bevause nighttime fun is solely for the mid and spectators, not the players.

Call it scummy if you like.

[Aristophanes]

Why join in on this game if you believe that though? It's a pretty heavy night play game to begin with, compounded sharply if a Mime is lynched.

Mostly because KMD really needed replacements and I hadn't read the setup. I'm happy to keep playing and if this is best strat then sobe it, I'll happily go along with it! I just didn't expect so much NLing.

Hopefully Maf or Vig can get the Mime tn so we can scumhunt again

[Aristophanes]

Jingle, it'd be cool to continue theory talk after the game

There is nothing preventing scumhunting - only lynching.

Sure there is! If we scumhunt wothout lynching we either let scum guide the Vig or show our hands and get NK'd.

Just waiting on Rocky?

[Aristophanes]

Okie, I feel like Rocky is scum and GL may be as well.

Nero seems to be along for the ride and IV I forget is here most of the time.
Fink is null.

You, Jingle, and especially Eragon are towny and I'm nit wanting you to die anytime soon.

Now scum know my reads and can shoot with them in mind, and if I am scum I may have just put an idea in the Vig's mind that wasn't already there. Thats the danger. It's better than nithing I guess tho!

For the record, these reads were formed in my quick reads of D2 and the end of D1, reinforced by today's posting.

Does any of this help anything?

[Aristophanes]

Sorry. I'm being a giant whiney child this game for whatever reason.

*sigh*

[Aristophanes]

Interesting. I don’t think gl is likely groupscum, though it is possible he’s a mime.

Do you have reasoning for rocky scum you care to share?

Gl is some sort of scum, whether Mine or Group I don't know.
Rocky is mostly a gut read from his posts and responses. I can go through and make a case if he ever appears again though.

y is eragon townie?

Eragon has shown a lot of initiative and thought in their posts and thus had gotten a pretty solid townread from me. I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise so I'm sticking with it.

[Aristophanes]

welp...

I hope he wouldn't do that with an informative role.

shall we just go raging into that good night?

/in

[Aristophanes]

Ooo we get to play actual Mafia now! =D

I'll look at Thor for associatives!

[Aristophanes]

That is an aggressive amount of votes without anyone doubling up.

Vote: Sesq

Would also vote Lady Angel, Guilty Lion, or

FA_Q

Would also vot

e Doubting Thomas

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do we consider this rule of 5's?(ok, thats made up. but basically extension of rule of threes?)

lady angel(Aristophanes) and GL are the 2 unconfirmed here

so do we think mafia calls out 5 town in their first 2 posts, or is at least one mafia?

If it weren't Thor I'd say there is definitely a scum there. Being Thor that could be totally off base. Good place to start looking though.

[Aristophanes]

All of those posts are pretty valid.

I'm doing reading for class atm but I'll do a dive on Thor tn prolly

[Aristophanes]

Of course, IV is MIA and probably being replaced, Fink is V/LA (which should end today!) and Ari is due a prod, so... I'm stuck just clarifying for you until they come back.

Forgot this game was a thing...I'll see what I can do. Might not be until Wed night tho unless I get an extra free moment unexpecredly.

[Aristophanes]

Also, sale sushi sounds dangerous.

I had a nice chicken Marsala that was pretty easy to make the other night.

I forgot to cover a pot of pasta I made the other day and it's made my noodles really hard. Gonna try reboiling them and seeing how that goes!

In game news, I have <2 hours to shower, eat, nap, and do something here before I'm off again. I'll do what I can!
Nice to see ICV back with that dirty proddodge! If not for the Thor guilty I'd be so down to lynch him today.

[Aristophanes]

So, ummm... 868. Mime post? Or super mime post?

Lol I wish!

I would totally be scumming it up to get lynched as Mime.

Ideal strategy is, in fact, for mime to block watcher and let the other scum take out town limiting the options so they can get lynched eventually while optimal scum strat is to shoot for the mime so theirs is the only competing wincon.

Both of these benefit town as well so I am interested to see who lives through the night.

I didn't have time for this or for the pasta so both updates on that and reads are coming
I hope the pasta doesnt become mushy!

[Aristophanes]

Lmfao at not voting confscum.

Seriously.

[Aristophanes]

You're right, I should have said lmfao at voting not confscum.

Regardless my vote was always going to be on Thor today so what does this do GL? Why are you voting Fink not literal confscum? What good does this do us?

Why are you trying so hard to frame me as mime? I mean, if I am shot tn because Mafia do the right thing and shoot for the mime then lmfao. GG and all.

I know exactly what I would do as either scum faction as this game comes to a close but I'm not stating it because why give them ideas.

Leavibg Thor alive is literally so dumb and I cannot believe it's actually a possibility!

VOTE: Thor

[Aristophanes]

Regardless my vote was always going to be on Thor today so what does this do GL? Why are you voting Fink not literal confscum? What good does this do us?

you should actually read Jingle's posts

or if you want to start acting like mafia now, be my guest

I do want to, but have had limited time. I think you are very likely Mime. I jave townreads. It's the last scum I'm worried about now.

I'll read Jingle.

[Aristophanes]

If mafia doesn't uphold the deal, we lynch Thor anyways and give win to mime if possible

Uhhhhh

Giving mime the win purposely is antiwincon...at least my wincon.

Why waste our lynch on confirmed scum when we can make a deal with mafia?

How do we barter with Mafia? "Hey I'll leave Thir alive today so you can shoot mime but like, you know Imma have to lynch you after right? Cool.

I still don't think Thor is the best lynch today

The point of the NL long game was so we could avoid any chance of a Mime lynch ya? So if we don't lynch Thor today what do we do, NL again?
What good does this do us in the end?

[Aristophanes]

GL is likely mime and is a bad vote.

Thor isnt making the kill tn regardless so that's just stupid.

Investigative obv dies tn unless Mime will block them and allow mafia to shoot elsewhere, which is a level of coordination I don't see as likely tn. However it lets us find out a lot over the night via who dies or is blocked and may lead us to victory.

How am I wrong and why because it all makes sense to me.

Holy 10 ninjas man damn

[Aristophanes]

Fine, you watch thor and mine blocks you.

Then what?
Mafia are probably unblocked whether he lives or not and we get no info from ya. The plan is flawed.

[Aristophanes]

So we have an IC leading the scum kill then?

That sounds ideal but we end up at 2v1v3 or 2v1v2 tomorrow (depending if we lynch elsewhere or nowhere tn) if we leave Thor alive, and we have a chance of lynching mime if we do the latter. We are at a numerical disadvantage and need to lynch Thor tomorrow if not today no matter what.

Then its 1v1v2 or 1v1v1 because we would be even bigger idiots to not lymch Thor tomorrow (2v1v1 or 2v? Maf win) and it becomes mostly impossiblefor us.

Our best strat is to get rid of Thor now.

Like 6 more ninjae

[Aristophanes]

GL seems to be poking.all the.roght buttons to garner votes. I want to omgus his view on me as mime but that's literally counterproductive so I have resisted. Great mimeplay.

All.your theories are crazy guys. I'll vote wherever is needed in the end I guessed but like as much as I understand your points I don't get how they are working here. We assume too much.

3v1v1 sounds like best case to me.

[Aristophanes]

I get that, but we can navigate a 3v1v1.

We rely on both scum fractions to do out bidding in all the other plans and we simply cannot rely on it.

Why is Thor going to help us if we basically jave to lynch him tomorrow no matter if he does or not?

[Aristophanes]

I have a bad feeling about mime being fink/GL, especially based on their placements on the lane wagon

ohey something we agree on!

[Aristophanes]

I'm keeping my vote. If we no lynch because of votes or deadline, Thor, please aim for whomever you think is mime.

There's no point in me arguing as neither of us are going to change our viewpoints.

[Aristophanes]

Why are we having Thor shoot Fink or IV instead.of Fink or GL?

Or should we give him a threeway choice?

[Aristophanes]

I've been convinced this is a bad idea so
UNVOTE:

I would rather nolynch than take a chance today I guess.
What a ride!

[Aristophanes]

Isnt thor basically claimed mafia? Why arent we voting him

The last couple pages frame it well. He is scum but him being alive cripples mime chances while leaving us a conftown.

That's why we leave him alive.

[Aristophanes]

GL
ICV
Fink
Jingle

Probably

[Aristophanes]

The problem I'm having is why I would lynch my townier reads

Ninja'd
I'm actually at work doing this illegally so not really

[Aristophanes]

Okay, do you guys want me to vote someone?

It's not gonna be Jingle fyi.

[Aristophanes]

Fuck I got busy at work gdi

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Fink

[Aristophanes]

Literally I had no customers until 7:30 and haven't stopped since that post

[Aristophanes]

Sorry again guys

[Aristophanes]

Does that mean everyone wins or everyone loses?

XD

[Aristophanes]

Do they ride off into the sunset after all getting married then? :O