Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[implosion]

well the what was to try to narrow down which part of her play this game you think is most elucidating on her being scum.

[Music and Mail]

well I already addressed that

skitter is not a bad enough mafia player to try to lynch me when I'm being copped and not overconfident enough about her abilities to unironically claim an 80% scumread on me.
skitter has chosen the sole avenue of play (knee jerk insisting that I'm scum and refusing to evaluate it at all) that doesn't require her to spew herself scum all over the thread
skitter's approach to my slot is also drastically different from last game, she tried to push me for something that she saw me do last game (you pointed this out) and isn't showing me the same consideration that she did last time. if we've established that I can incorrectly scumread her as town initially, why does she freak out because I'm incorrectly scumreading her?
whereas if she's scum and she knows that the scumread isn't going away, the strongest position she can take is that I'm scum trying to mislynch her and get away with it.

she knows full well that lynching her is end of the line for me as scum with the weight of my meta of correctly scumreading her, she gives me the time to figure things out.

[Almost50]

spoogh townflip doesn't mean you don't trust my skitter read.

I am only saying I'm sheeping you here. The fact is I'm willing to lynch Spoogh or Nicolas today, so whichever goes through is fine by me.

Once you're confirmed I can sheep you even if you tell me to vote myself. Why? Because you lead us to victory like the good old day; which would be great, or you would lead us to oblivion -as town- which would be funny. I'm willing to take that chance when I know you're 100% town (right now I'm only 90% confident, tbh)

[Music and Mail]

A50 I'm bringing the good old days back
see snakes mafia or fallout mafia, fallout mafia i deathtunneled scum d1 then on d2 tied literally all 3 remaining scum together via associatives in one post, mechanically guiltied 2 of them, then town still threw.

this game may have been extremely difficult for me to get going but I'm feeling really good about where I'm at now and for all my not wanting to be tied to the spaghettioso flip I put it >50% scum.
nowadays I'm a lot more push people for reactions-y than I used to and less willing to just go off of my initial gut feelings which are still pretty good.

[implosion]

if we've established that I can incorrectly scumread her as town initially, why does she freak out because I'm incorrectly scumreading her?

this is a pretty good point.

[implosion]

just be content that no matter what you do in your career you will never top elli in turn of camn

[Music and Mail]

I've solved multiple games on D1 and I don't have to use software to do it.

[implosion]

but the sheer joy of watching a town slowly dismantle itself before the infamous unreadable aristophanes scumgame

[implosion]

man, i should get hard meta scumread by people more often. I seem to have a tendency to win my scumgames a lot more often when that happens.

[Music and Mail]

Have I ever mentioned that on D1 Alisae asked me who I would have chosen and the two overlaps in scum choices were Aristophanes! and Mathdino?

[implosion]

i think so

[Music and Mail]

mostly though, like, I'm just

feeling

skitter scum and not questioning it if that makes sense. like if I go into nitty gritty I might talk myself out of it like i already did
but I trust the feels. the feels told me you were scum last game, not any individual meta point and that's why I was willing to say 100% because those feels aren't wrong
this isn't as strong a feels but it's definitely up there to the point where I can just say she's flipping scum without needing elaboration, tied with like xyzzy in my first mafia game at the meet

[teacher]

VOTE COUNT 1.14 and Updates

Deadline:

Sunset

9:00pm NYC on Thursday, October 4

, or

(expired on 2018-10-04 21:00:00)

With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch.

Player	Vote Total	Vote Identity
Almost50	0
PenguinPower	3	Not_Mafia 76; Creature 799; Spooghetioso 977
Music and Mail	2	skitter30 480; implosion 1228
Creature	0
Gamma Emerald	1	BuJaber 817
BuJaber	0
Not_Mafia	0
CreativeMod1	0
implosion	1	Gamma Emerald 1275
Nicholas Cage	0
Spooghetioso	3	Carcalilly 1322; Music and Mail 1352; Almost50 1498
Skitter30	0
Carcalilly	2	Nicholas Cage 910; PenguinPower 1081

NOT VOTING:

CreativeMod1

Spoiler: Votes since last votecount not reflected above

two.

• Almost50 voted Spooghetioso in 1442
  
• Almost50 voted CreativeMod1 in 1461

Mod Notes

• BuJaber v/la through Sunday
  
• Skitter30 v/la Fridays and Saturdays generally
  
• I will be offline (but checking by mobile briefly) for roughly 16 hours

[BuJaber]

@carca - nah it must be your eyes that are beautiful

Regarding M&M : I was going to exaggerate and paraphrase his egoposting in a humorous way but I don't have time so the reason I believe he's town is that I feel scum typically approach doing things for towncred/WIFOM as a sort of subconcious checklist where it's like they do something just so it's out there in the record. There isn't a reason to keep doing it where it's visible in almost every post. There's like this element of RC's overconfidence in his game and reads that feels like he's daring people to prove him wrong by flipping. I don't think scum are going to go that far. I don't think scum!RC would lay out a bunch of mislynches in a row when he knows that by his own encouragement town wouldn't listen to him if he's wrong. So what would be the endgame? Avoiding getting copped? Doubtful because evrn if cmod sticks to his guns and refuses to cop him other cops will eventually.

So the only thing that could make sense is if he's bussing the shit out of his teammates and like if he is it'll be good for town to sheep him and then lynch later.

Like I think he would have naturally stopped inflating his self worth earlier in the game as scum because if his motive is to fake townie confidence then he would have achieved that already. Plus the element of putting all his eggs in pretty much 1 basket. Threre is an inherent subtext in his posts of someone who knows he won't live long.

[Not_Mafia]

Lynch Penguin

[Creature]

Huh this game's stuck on my ego.

[Carcalilly]

I do not believe that his refusal to cop me is scum motivated.
Realize that CMod doesn't have nightchat and I wasn't in the game from the start, why would he be afraid of me? No one in this game has communicated that my town game is good.
I believe him when he says that he doesn't want to cop me because he doesn't want to play follow the RC and that he wants to actually suss out scum on his own.

WHOA WHAT IF THEYRE SCUM BUDDIES AND THEYRE BOTH FACADING THIS FOR TOWNCRED

Like CMod is scum that claims cop
And M&M is offering to be copped and gets towncred because scum wouldn't want to be copped
But to avoid actually doing do Cmod refuses, so when one of them flips scum they won't be both caught in contradiction

[Carcalilly]

i also vibe spooghettioso/skitter interactions as having high probability of being SvS which is why I've been pushing for that lynch so much.

So if spoog or skitter flips scum the other is scum too
Hmmm

[Carcalilly]

(like that's

literally the only thing

behind my enthusiasm of lynching spooghettioso tbh)

Yeah but I am definitely for lynching spoog instaid of/before skitter
Because their difference of contribution are obvious

[Carcalilly]

spoogh townflip doesn't mean you don't trust my skitter read.

[Carcalilly]

@carca - nah it must be your eyes that are beautiful

fufu

[Gamma Emerald]

PP would you be upset with me if I voted for you?

What if we go back to the gamma bus

I could do that. I don't like 1407.

A bare bones informative post.
SUUUUUUURE.

[Gamma Emerald]

please just trust me to be able to win this game for you as conftown.

Yes lets all just sit back and watch you win the game

that makes the game sh*t for everyone else, that's not how I roll

I gotta go offline now, I'm not checking you, but I want discussion from everyone on who I should check

I just noticed your signature: nice.

[Gamma Emerald]

But on a serious note if you’re going to break from the plan I don’t see why you’re still asking for input

[Gamma Emerald]

Same as when one hydra head flakes and the hydra is replaced with the active head of the two.

Examples please? This is a foreign request for me, so I'm trying to process it in a manner that is fair to the gamestate (which A50 not AP has been playing) but also allows everybody including you to have fun. If such substitution is done on MS, that will help me resolve the request.

I can provide examples, especially of the hydra thing