Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Alonzo]

I'm town, I was gonna deathtunnel A50 today, so I need to re read and come up with a plan B

[Alonzo]

why were you going to deathtunnel him? ie why were you scumreading him?

Just reading the thread through a couple of posts jumped out, namely his sky TR.

But you know... near end of the day.. that post on NM.. you know my policy!!

[Alonzo]

I had some, but I rr last night and need to refresh my memory, will try to give more complete reads soon.

[Alonzo]

... taking into account new info from nightime..

[Alonzo]

Forget HWS, you'l be dealing with me today pudding.

[Alonzo]

VOT: THE WORST

you cheeky duck

[Alonzo]

you have been votted =)

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Ok I have read this thing twice now.

[Alonzo]

@ducky explain the thinking behind the vote for me?

[Alonzo]

Hello again Korina, or should I call you vex. You have a huge word count here.

[Alonzo]

I thought u were an Invisibility Alt FTR!

[Alonzo]

@VV

I have a strict Lynch NM policy. A50 unvoting NM and saying I never vote NM is THE singlemost scummy post I think I 'have ever seen. Probably best he's dead, I would have dragged this game waaaay down by now =)

[Alonzo]

Blame the game we do not talk about, I still have nightmares.

[Alonzo]

dunno... did it start with B and end in AAAAAA?

[Alonzo]

See anything in Vexys Iso worth a SR?

[Alonzo]

Ugh all those shit bars over what was a sick beat...

[Alonzo]

VOTE:GAMMA

[Alonzo]

L-1?

[Alonzo]

HWS was scummy

Links please

[Alonzo]

HWS was TOWNY AF

A50... mostly clown shoes..

Hws suspicion was well founded despite what you say captain hindsight. Also Im pretty sure HWS wasn't the only one sus of A50...

[Alonzo]

Hi I'm here to ensure scum ain't got nothing on town

mic drop

[Alonzo]

==

In post 1716, the worst wrote:
ya nah that's fair, scumflip after a long ass d1 makes d2 ironically pretty exhausting

you're fine just bad timing for me to try and re-read you

happy w Gamma or Enigma today


might be ok with gamma, but enigma i still think is town; he has this like ... guileless quality to his posts that i townread

==

In post 1724, Alonzo wrote:
HWS was TOWNY AF

A50... mostly clown shoes..

Hws suspicion was well founded despite what you say captain hindsight. Also Im pretty sure HWS wasn't the only one sus of A50...


a50 was incredibly obvtown despite some peope's misgivings; what does the fact that that hws was not the only person sus of a50 have to do with anything or enigma's read on you

have you ever played with a50 before?

please describe how hws was towny af

==

I like your First point, this was part of my thinking when I voted.

A50 and me may have crossed paths when I was new to site, the name seemed vaguely familiar when I read it, I will go back and compare games to see if thats true.

I would have been pushing him today from re reading this game. His Nk helps me skip the foreplay, so I will be voting within the slots I find most sus today..

[Alonzo]

looks like this would have been a50s first hell in a cell.

[Alonzo]

so what is this baiting me then if not to inflate your ego?

[Alonzo]

Towny in the absence of scum posts in his Iso? Hes engaging and trying to sort in a non suggestive manner, albeit not fast enough.

[Alonzo]

Firm but Fair. Thats me!

Why TW?

[Alonzo]

@Skitter

We just played together for a month or more... why cant you sort me correctly here?

[Alonzo]

If popopo hasn't lynched me by the time you get back... Its safe to assume he's town...

Its pretty safe RN as it is huh...

[Alonzo]

shit wrong thread sorry...

[Alonzo]

Is there a question for me in there somewhere ruru?

[Alonzo]

why has this game stalled .... ?

i have like nothing new to say

sure, let's see what happens if i vote VOTE: alonzo

Boredom vote?

How are me and Ejji a team here skitter?

[Alonzo]

Well vote me if u like, Im here and active, transparent as Fook.

Looks like the low hanging fruit is universally agreed on at this point... Tho I admire those who would try to pull me down with them, Its pointless 'less ye be scum yerself'

had my first game with Creature not long ago, his reads are solid, so I'l sheep Creature whilst hes alive... IDRC how Icky it makes skitter feel...

[Alonzo]

Im gonna cook Dinner, then you will get you readmap.

[Alonzo]

Ok, I have reads on all slot sbut Skitter who will get their own post at a later time (cos meta)

[Alonzo]

Sorry, will type reads when home from work

[Alonzo]

@Alonzo can you give one-word reads on {tw, bujaber, gamma, ejji, enigma}? just post them asap if you can and explain later

TLDR
sky/TW null-scum
bluJ/AH- Town lean
Gamma-scum lean
Frank/Ejji-Slow start but null-town
enigma-Town lean

While im here

ruru-Town lean
VV town lean

Wanna rr skitter before I complete that read.

[Alonzo]

@Alonzo can you give one-word reads on {tw, bujaber, gamma, ejji, enigma}? just post them asap if you can and explain later

TLDR
sky/TW null-scum
bluJ/AH- Town lean
Gamma-scum lean
Frank/Ejji-Slow start but null-town
enigma-Town lean

While im here

ruru-Town lean
VV town lean

Wanna rr skitter before I complete that read.

Why do you have no strong reads

Creature/Alonzo
VV/ruru
bluJ/Enigma
TW
Gamma

I usually get my reads from alot of reaction tests in the early game, but as a sub in I dont have that luxury.

[Alonzo]

I never lean hard town on anyone who Isn't mod confirmed.

[Alonzo]

oh wolfy

Compared to your play? Pffft

[Alonzo]

That was TLDR reads...

If they look shallow its because you dont know how I reached those conclusions...

[Alonzo]

maybe my feelings will get stronger when Town stops riding my ass and starts voting Scum...

I get the need to sort me, but Im transparent and stubborn.

Will a link to my scum meta help you feel better about me?

[Alonzo]

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=77128

This is still so fresh its steamy.

[Alonzo]

Point is, I dont actively seek conflict as Scum...

As a few here know..

Even If they are pleading ignorance....

[Alonzo]

Bro I played all year and rolled scum twice...

[Alonzo]

But if you have Evidence of me playing differently here than say 720.. present it to the class...

[Alonzo]

Im listening

[Alonzo]

I was on the NM wagon in spirit?

As I mentioned, I woulda been all over A50 today had things gone differently.. Doesn't change my alignment in this one. Its a bonus for Town A50 going down in this instance.

I suspect there will be a subtle nuance between Creature and A50's reads D1 that scum moved upon lest they be outed by A50...

As we are busy.. I will share some of the thoughts behind the reads I gave..

[Alonzo]

I noted on TW

that he was always uncertain of his own angles

Probably isn't aligned with gamma (tho there was a speculative back and forth between them since i made these notes)

the Pred was also distant in this one.

I told Tw how he reads to me in 720 and recent with sky means I know she can prod surf . Both of these Can be twisted into horrible TRs

[Alonzo]

TW whos notes next?

[Alonzo]

I read through Korina and there is alot of filler , commenting on absolutely nothing to appear busy.

I remember doing the same to you once TW and you flipped town, So im leaning town on the presumption that all this effort comes from a player working hard to be townread for basic play.

Their vote on me was moronic.

Korina whos next?

[Alonzo]

Gamma -Not a fan of this Iso, Managed to TR my slot based off a reaction test that I totally slept on.

Has been my choice for lynch today since I rr in the context that a50 wasn't flipping scum.

Nothing I can see tat points to this not being todays lynch.

[Alonzo]

gamma, whos next...?

[Alonzo]

Dont hate the player! I been rooting for you forever!

[Alonzo]

Pushing you for the lynch.

[Alonzo]

Enigma- started slowly but grew in confidence as the game progressed, Town lean

[Alonzo]

IMO RNG is not a valid excuse for townreading duck.

@anyone

What does RNG mean in this context?

[Alonzo]

IMO RNG is not a valid excuse for townreading duck.

@anyone

What does RNG mean in this context?

bump

[Alonzo]

VOTE: THE WORST

[Alonzo]

I'm no mafia mastermind but believing TW/Gamma/Enigma is TvTvT is a little beyond me.

And I need to see some real evidence before I consider a Nig lynch today...

[Alonzo]

What do you think of the current gamestate Gamma?

[Alonzo]

Maybe we should just lynch gamma

why?


and why now?

[Alonzo]

I noted on TW

that he was always uncertain of his own angles

Probably isn't aligned with gamma (tho there was a speculative back and forth between them since i made these notes)

the Pred was also distant in this one.

I told Tw how he reads to me in 720 and recent with sky means I know she can prod surf . Both of these Can be twisted into horrible TRs

Quack

[Alonzo]

Intent to hammer time

[Alonzo]

I find it interesting that gamma suddenly got the votes once I moved my vote away...

but honestly it could be any combo at this point.

I think Irrelephantts looked super town, Il check my notepad wen i'm back to it and see what my read was on their pred.

Ruru seems kinda random in their timings, Korina has mellowed from their early style, Tw is Tw. I just cant read this guy as either alignment.

Im fairly sure I townleaned buJ early on.

Still uncertain of skitter.

So yeah Im devoid of reads.

Why Enigma?

[Alonzo]

Irrelaphant what do you think about how Frank got on here? Timid town? If so who leant on him the hardest do you think?

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Alonzo

Dogshit

[Alonzo]

what do you want?!

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Alonzo

Dogshit

my reads are also dogshit. Lets talk.

[Alonzo]

skitter yours is the only iso I 'v not read, will i find you swimming upstream or going with the flow?

[Alonzo]

have you solved this ruru?

[Alonzo]

I will make to to RR this whole think over the weekend, RN im not entirely certain of my viewpoint. Have too many townreads.

[Alonzo]

wait.. TW uses whole sentences on another profile.../???!!!

[Alonzo]

##vote no hydras allowed

[Alonzo]

RR/TW is the scum team

Change my mind.

[Alonzo]

Not indifferent, just had a hectic schedule this weekend, bit quieter now.

[Alonzo]

^^ does scum post like this?

[Alonzo]

I actually don't mind GE got lynched, because he would have been a disaster to sort late game and would be unlikely to have been NKd anyways.

admittedly this could just be mirroring my thoughts on the matter, but this feels like a town post

I think it became clear as the day went on there was no way scum!gamma could be so blase about getting lynched...

[Alonzo]

I played with Scum!IC Performer in a noobie recently. Perfect town win IIRC =)

[Alonzo]

^@skitter

[Alonzo]

Link me in to your case on Bu, what #posts

[Alonzo]

dunno... did it start with B and end in AAAAAA?

(づ￣ ³￣)づ
I kinda skipped half of his posts tbh
looking for someone to tell me if he's actually outside his scumrange or he's just aggressively vomiting wordcount to avoid being read accurately

like I can't be stuffed trying to dig thru his ISO but a lot of his posts are garbo

ok, i havent really ever rolled scum and none of you have played with me irl so really the only source of my meta that is known is myself.
my meta can simply boil down to this:

am i talking / am i active?:
If yes, odds are im town
If no, odds are im scum

unless im actively trying to look town and emulate my serious-town meta, my scum-meta is literally lurking

you said that yourself in noir that if i kept lurking, you'd have said that i was lockjaw scum.
me trying to emulate an active town meta as scum is incredibly hard for me only because i naturally wanna lurk out and let the others play the game
as town, i don't wanna do that, i wanna be active and try to be a force that players should deal with.

my serious-town meta (the one im playing to rn), involves me cutting out most of my jester-y nature and playing it with the sole intent of winning, which involves a lot of wall posts or posts where i post a lot of stuff
it involves me posting my thought process as i read through.
does that mean everything will be relevant? no, but its still what im thinking
looking back at forest fire blitz, my posts (to me) felt very empty. they felt like im talking just to talk.
looking at one of my actually relatively good town games, (Sadomafiosochism), sure i joked around at the start, but i played seriously after that calling it as i see it

my biggest point is why would scum!me want to willing post my entire thought process when ik its a lie and if i fuck up, i could give away my partner(s)? that's why i suck at playing informed minorities and why i prefer being town or third party.
its like me gambitting. why would i (as scum) put myself in the spotlight so early when ik (and everyone else knows) that if im scum, and i flip scum, my interactions with everyone else will be scrutinized?

im not a strong scum player, but i am a strong town player.

this is one of my final points on this: if im scum, why would i make a wall towards the ic telling them they should be more active? why wouldnt i want (as scum) the ic to be inactive when i could just as easily get tr'd without making that post versus making it?

also, ftr, i made this account just to prove to myself that i actually am a good fm player if i try
that's the whole point of this account
for me to have a game where i dont get pl'd d1 just because its me

bolded

[Alonzo]

TBh I barely remember you in noir, there was so much fluffposting in the early part of that one the quieter players were buried alive

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Alonzo

okay, so

the worst is not happening because skitter is waffling

let's try this

anyone not naked voting alonzo with me can be scum with alonzo.

I have solved the game

three scums in {alonzo, gamma, bujaber}

Just vote alonzo

ruru d2

[Alonzo]

i don't townread anything you want; nothing is happening in the game right now; ruru wants it and i don't have any particular objectsions

i don't believe i ever said the two of you are a team

still really want to sort the ejji slot

you're more somewhere i'm voting while that's not a thing

i don't really know what it's indicative of that the game randomly stalled

skitter flashed her raisins

[Alonzo]

VOTE: alonzo

i've really only stalled out because of the sheer number of replacements
tbh, its kinda making me not wanna play only because by the time i start to actually read someone, they've replaced out, meaning that most of my reads have to get scrapped because the new player plays entirely differently

VOTE COUNT 2.6

Alonzo (4):

Enigma, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience

(L-2)

the worst (1):

Gamma Emerald

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (4):

Creature, Bujaber, Alonzo, the worst

(L-2)

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (1):

ejjinami

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-10-02 10:30:00)

Other:

- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- skitter30 V/LA until Wednesday morning
- Gamma Emerald has been prodded
- ejjinami still needs to be replaced :c If you know anyone looking for a game, let them know

This is good info if we think scum would be split in the vote.

[Alonzo]

gamma feels off

i'm also beginning to wonder if he might just be lynchbait given that all the sketchy people are pushing him

[Alonzo]

{creature}
{ruru}
{enigma, vex}
{}-- null
{bujaber, alonzo, gamma, tw}
{you}
{}

i'm unhappy with that bujaber/alonzo/gamma/tw tier but i'm not entirely sure what to do about it

idk what else do you want me to talk about?

What did you do about it?

[Alonzo]

Korina vote obvscum gamma please

VOTE: gamma

Alright

Can't blame skitter for just sheeping.

Took a long time for y'all to see it.
VOTE: gamma
L-1

VOTE: Gamma
is this a wolf? ¯\(°_o)/¯
am I more likely wrong on Gamma than anyone else I'm TRing? d=(´▽｀)=b
do we need this phase to end? ＼（○＾ω＾○）／

I really dislike the end of the gamma wagon FTR

[Alonzo]

Skitter can you tell me more about why you SR'd Irrels preds plz

[Alonzo]

*sigh*

I feel like its a trap but Im town!roleblocker

I blocked A50 N1 and Enigma last night

[Alonzo]

whos next?

[Alonzo]

How does everyone feel about rurus itchy voting finger and how well do we follow their logic when voting?

Do we sort before Lylo?

[Alonzo]

A50 was policy I explained at the start of day 2.

When I did my first readthrough I was thinking that there was probably a scum in enigma/Gamma, and nothing I saw d2 made me change that stance.

[Alonzo]

ruru got it into her head to randomly vote me, but skitters reasons were non existant.

If I had to bet I'd say Scum!Skitter has been hiding in the wake of Town!rurus chaotic style. Skitter fence sits on alot of points here, here Iso is riddled with 'this was kinda meh' That was kinda meh' posts that I'm not sure I see from townSkitter in such frequency

[Alonzo]

thats quite a narrow view of the situation. I was trying to give TW some space as I do not Town!read TW easily.

Around page 95 I said I was going to Re read, by the time i got to the RR there was a huge show and TW suddenly subbed out and the game was another 10 pages to read.

rurur really seemed to believe her SR of TW then went cold on it. The whole thing seemed unnecessary.

Not knowing TW's alts I was surprised in the break of character that followed, he broke the 4th dimension if you will and still not sure how to read it.

[Alonzo]

Scum! Ruru could easily claim bg safe in the knowledge I can't rb her tonight.

[Alonzo]

vote:Bu

L1

[Alonzo]

L2 even

[Alonzo]

back from work, clearly some of you have questions, il be about for a few hours now.

[Alonzo]

What did you want to hear from me ?

@performer?

[Alonzo]

sure

[Alonzo]

I'm town, I was gonna deathtunnel A50 today, so I need to re read and come up with a plan B

I was super cocksure A50 was scum on my first re read. 100%. Ended up having to re read alot of the thread again

VOT: THE WORST

you cheeky duck

Semi serious at this point. Like Hello I see you.

See anything in Vexys Iso worth a SR?

Did share his VV read.

VOTE:GAMMA

Thought gamma was being opportunistic when he voted TW, this vote combined with my initial thoughts on Gamma from re reading cemented him as my push for the day.

Hi I'm here to ensure scum ain't got nothing on town

mic drop

This is softer than a Mister Whippy Ice cream on a hot Hampshire afternoon. I love it!

so what is this baiting me then if not to inflate your ego?

I want to make Enigma a TR but its quite hard.

why has this game stalled .... ?

i have like nothing new to say

sure, let's see what happens if i vote VOTE: alonzo

Boredom vote?

How are me and Ejji a team here skitter?

Really dislike this play from Skitter. -In fact the whole ruru skitter dynamic in this one feels off, and I'm left TR'ing ruru more than skitter here so far.
I wasn't keen on a mass claim, but it makes sense for ruru to want it as both alignments as a wandering BG. If I die tonight ruru's Scum! gambit paid off I guess.
I feel like Skitter has carved a niche hoovering up after ruru in this one and the talk about 'if we are both still alive at lylo' smells like skitter thinking moves ahead, whilst claiming the game is stale at other points.

@Alonzo can you give one-word reads on {tw, bujaber, gamma, ejji, enigma}? just post them asap if you can and explain later

TLDR
sky/TW null-scum
bluJ/AH- Town lean
Gamma-scum lean
Frank/Ejji-Slow start but null-town
enigma-Town lean

While im here

ruru-Town lean
VV town lean

Wanna rr skitter before I complete that read.

Why do you have no strong reads

Creature/Alonzo
VV/ruru
bluJ/Enigma
TW
Gamma

I usually get my reads from alot of reaction tests in the early game, but as a sub in I dont have that luxury.

I find it interesting that gamma suddenly got the votes once I moved my vote away...

but honestly it could be any combo at this point.

I think Irrelephantts looked super town, Il check my notepad wen i'm back to it and see what my read was on their pred.

Ruru seems kinda random in their timings, Korina has mellowed from their early style, Tw is Tw. I just cant read this guy as either alignment.

Im fairly sure I townleaned buJ early on.

Still uncertain of skitter.

So yeah Im devoid of reads.

Why Enigma?

I'v put alot of reading hours into this thread.

BuJ has never been a solid TR for me, a green flip(RN) and almost certain skitter is the !deepscum. But her posts in the meantime are snappy and on point so its hard for me to really articulate a true read.

Performer/TW is another slot with alot of question marks. Cant read Either of you well at all.

[Alonzo]

How confident are you in rurus BuJ read?

[Alonzo]

Wheres your head at now performer?

Close to placing a vote?

[Alonzo]

BuJ you say I have been scummy at times, but you have not called me out on it once or barely interacted with me.

You didn't even react when I voted you.

I'm just getting caught scum Vibes now, and you trying to sow the seeds of confusion

You speculate about me fakeclaiming, And shade me to the others but you're avoiding me completely feels like.

[Alonzo]

@performer did you ever give A TLDR on your skitter vote?

[Alonzo]

I'l hear your reccomendations in the meantime

[Alonzo]

yeah, that was meant to be @everyone

[Alonzo]

yeah we should be wrapping this up now.

[Alonzo]

il be around

[Alonzo]

Alonzo - who did you target?

Who did you target?

[Alonzo]

FMPOV we should nolynch this out, I could then Pick either the same target as last night or a different player and see the results then.

Im not 100% sure Scum didn't no kill last night to force a mislynch today. I'd like to run it twice.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: PERFORMER

Blocked here last night.

[Alonzo]

Whats happening??

Who's the Lynch?

[Alonzo]

I will re read Both slots to see if I missed anything. got a few days now.

[Alonzo]

Fair.

I'l drop hammer in around 20 hours unless anyone wants more time?

[Alonzo]

Vote: Irrel

[Alonzo]

I blocked performer again

[Alonzo]

This is outside of performers scum range as I understand it.
Pretty sure it's Korina at this point.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Performer

This is against my better nature. I think Performers put in a good shift, but the evidence is what it is.

[Alonzo]

L-1

[Alonzo]

Where's nm when you need him

I keep him chained up in the basement!

[Alonzo]

Who else would be scum then?

Has this been answered?

Fmpov..
I think flipping you is important so we can get a better idea about TWs thought process in this one.

Pretty sure town will win this the hard way, sadly gotta slay some townies along the way.

I'm not convinced you are scum based off play, but gotta think of the majority trying to solve.

Don't want to go too deep on the others incase scum work out my block for tonight.

[Alonzo]

Go ahead skitter

[Alonzo]

Someone wants you Alive ruru...

[Alonzo]

I Rb'd Korina

[Alonzo]

Guess all I can do is one more roleblock and hope you aren't fakeclaiming bodyguard ruru.

Probably shoulda doubled down on Enigma last night.

Whos up for some rapid no lynch action?

[Alonzo]

I kinda shared TW's opinion that alot of the VV iso was kinda hollow, just throwawy thoughts for the sake of throwaway thoughts. Coupled with the performer flip I thought I'd dig into it, as Korina wasn't as active and started to tell more like they did in 720 when they were scum.

[Alonzo]

Kinda silly in hindsight but it felt like a fresh lead at the time

[Alonzo]

N2 enigma- scum kiled n3/4 performer IIRC

[Alonzo]

Whats your read on Enigma ruru?

you seemed happier to push Irrel/Performer wagons last coupe of days?

[Alonzo]

Grrr.
Keeping up from mobile at work rn, post in a few hours

[Alonzo]

I'm pretty made up its Enigma at this point.

If you flip red at this point skitter you earned it my friend.

Of course Enig's gonna say I need a lynch to win as scum, but FMPOV i need a lynch to win as town, as scum can still force a draw from this position.

Im ready to Vote.

[Alonzo]

I'm pretty made up its Enigma at this point.

If you flip red at this point skitter you earned it my friend.

Of course Enig's gonna say I need a lynch to win as scum, but FMPOV i need a lynch to win as town, as scum can still force a draw from this position.

Im ready to Vote.

Umm FYPOV it is better to no lynch if you are town, because you have another night with the rb and then better chances of hitting scum tonight and tomorrow day.
Like no lyching forces scum between a very tough time tomorrow to win (they will probably lose) or stalling for a draw.

I get the impression the way this game has been scum will happily accept a draw. I'd re visit the no lych, but I'd wager scum just wont kill and we will be back here again very soon.
I'v no evidence I'm the RB, I'v no Evidence ruru is the BG

scum can still force a draw from this position.

okay now I'm somewhat spooked that you wanted no lynch earlier but now you want to lynch enigma

like yes this is true and it's why personally I haven't bothered trying to no lynch today but the fact that you wanted it earlier and now sadfgldfghl;dfgh'

alonzo do you have any meta case that you would definitively not gamethrow by fakeclaiming rb as scum here?

any thoughts on this?

I don't really know what your saying here? Would I cheat? No, I'm town RB.

How would it be a gamethrow for scum me? (im a basic bitch when it comes to setup spec)

[Alonzo]

If Enigma is Town it means one of ruru/ skitter has the other totally fooled and by extension me too.

Paranoid me say continue, but sensible me says skitter/ ruru are pretty locktown by play at this point so theres no point dragging this out...

[Alonzo]

How do you feel you've played in this one ruru?

[Alonzo]

The thing is Skitter if you truly believe that you are one of two things.

Wrong about ruru

Or the deepscum we are all looking for.

[Alonzo]

skitter surely we are at the point now where ruru is unstoppable as scum amirite?

Like there is no conceivable way to justify a lynch on that slot?

[Alonzo]

@ skit Knowing I'm town, and having to believe ruru, we just need to lynch one of you/enigma and RB the other?

There wont be a kill and then the survivor is lynched next day.

ASSUMING ruru is truthfull...(and me too obviously)(WHICH I AM!) ( YOU CAN METADIVE THAT< HAVE NEVER LIED ONSITE AS EITHER ALIGNMENT!)

Like I appreciate all the reading you are doing, but ruru is the relevant topic..

@ruru

I mean do you think you have done well/bad what where your high/lowlights in this one?

[Alonzo]

I'm literally at if ruru is scum they earned it myself....

pedit

I get a mixed bag of reads from rurus slot, but feel powerless to push her even if I believed it.

So I good to Lynch Enig yeah, If you are the JOAT or ruru is bluffing then whatevs, cos we could read into this all month and still not be any closer to solving...

[Alonzo]

also if alonzo is scum he'd have to be traitor, right? cuz if he were goon we'd have another pr claim

and traitor fake-claiming is even riskier than goon fake-claiming because he has no idea how many mods there are

incidentally in this game if he's scum he's traitor and so no mods were taken, but traitor!alonzo can't have known that day3; for all he knows scum took something like {daytalk, rolecop, JOAT}

so fake-claiming is really risky for traitor!alonzo because he doesn't even know how many mods there are

I was also thinking this and giving him town+
My one worry was that he was near the end of the claim order (iirc this was it): bujaber > irrel > enigma > performer > korina > alonzo > ruru > skitter
Like that was a risk, but everyone before him claimed vt.

--

*sigh*

I feel like its a trap but Im town!roleblocker

I blocked A50 N1 and Enigma last night

What did you mean by trap?

I thought I was gonna be the NK, but actually scum had bigger plans for me it seems...

[Alonzo]

I blocked performer again

This is outside of performers scum range as I understand it.
Pretty sure it's Korina at this point.

VOTE: Performer

This is against my better nature. I think Performers put in a good shift, but the evidence is what it is.

@alonzo can you explain why you voted performer here?

Cos the Evidence was stronger than my gut. I'd RB'd him 2 nights in a row with no NK's.

Why Did you vote Irrel out of sequence?

[Alonzo]

I had blocked Performer and there was no NK, but it was Irrel who ate rope.

IIRCcorrectly wagon went ruru skitter enigma then me or performer to close out

[Alonzo]

ah yeah thats my mistake...

[Alonzo]

for some reason i remebered you being really compliant in his lynch...

[Alonzo]

Il be honest Enigmas seemed really oblivious to being Lynched...

In exactly the same way I caught Bujaber, I jjust think Town!Enigma chimps out when I declared intent to vote yesterday.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: ENIGMA

[Alonzo]

UNVOTE

[Alonzo]

Chimps out, Like goes OTT WTF are you doing you idiot type stuff...

[Alonzo]

I keep having dark thoughts of Lynching you skitter and RB'ing Enigma.

You down to win Posthumously?

[Alonzo]

ah ..I mean more cogs turn and then I get back to the POV of skitter deserves to win as scum, but the reality is it would have been within my power to prevent that and I didn't take it...

[Alonzo]

Sounds Like we need to go Skitter then Enigma.

I'd much rather get stabbed in the face than the back also.

And if this is scum you just twisting the knife on skitter then bravo...!

[Alonzo]

im dancing to rurus beat

[Alonzo]

Ugh... Its just Im not a great dancer...

I think we gotta go Skitter then Enigma..

[Alonzo]

no i really just don't want this to be a thing because i'm proud of my streak

and i'm just a little peeved that you'd prefer to go me -> enigma over enigma -> me

At no point in our last two months gaming together did I figure you thought along these lines...

[Alonzo]

And thinking along these lines...I could take Enigmas shitty 'I CBA to Iso the shit outta this game' post at face value' as gospel.

He knows If he's the lynch today Town still have a chance of winning... Hmmmm

[Alonzo]

Ugh... Its just Im not a great dancer...

I think we gotta go Skitter then Enigma..

why?

I dont wanna reply with 'why not?', but essentially I'm asking what difference it makes?

Skitter has already said she was down with it, and has now 180'd because off some newfound ego streak.

Iv been in various games with siteer for probably 2 months now, and in none of the others has she even eluded to the fact that theres any ego at all in her pay, If anything she was really humble to a fault.

This sudden change of heart is ringing the alarm bells for me.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: SKITTER

[Alonzo]

I know this is a hard decision for you ruru, but its the asolute must do for town! us.

Its within skitters range to pocket either one of us, Sounds like you look up to skitter a bit, but I have stated before here inthis game that if skitter is scum she got by by hiding in the wake of your play, and the fact that you admit it could still be skitter by Poe means that you know its a possibility.

If the roles we have were not in play sure we would have to think it out, but with our roles we can mechanically solve this without the need for any margin of error on any call we make.

[Alonzo]

^^ and every dead townie in the deadthread will tell you the same.

You can't bring feelings into this its simple cut and thrust town win.

Skitter MUST go.

[Alonzo]

because ruru is the BG and Im the roleblocker..

We have a perfect circle of protection with three players.

But not with you in rurus ear.

pedit..

So essentially this comes down to your ability to manipulate Town, but moreso ruru individually into mislynching me tomorrow...

Tho with this post you will have to change tact again and now try to mislynch me =P

[Alonzo]

It doesn't matter at all your name will still go down in the records as a winner...

[Alonzo]

Just vote skitter you two... Enigmas not here, If the mod will accept a quick night then the game will end RN

[Alonzo]

Its not a mislynch, Its a mechanical solve.

Town! you would not care at all...

[Alonzo]

ruru if you vote skitter rn she will end this game I promise

[Alonzo]

GG skitter. GG.

[Alonzo]

Stubborns the word. I'm an Aries.

[Alonzo]

How does your personal non recorded meta top the ability to solve this game mechanically with no margin for error??

[Alonzo]

Which we could have already done by this point I hasten to add...

[Alonzo]

Please just vote yourself off and assure ruru its fine to do the same,

Ruru and I can literally declare intent to do our night actions and our votes for the next day RN and its wrapped up..

please.

[Alonzo]

srs?

To win the frikkingame as town!!

Weve both already said neither of us can stop scum ruru at this point, Enigma is collateral damage either way...

[Alonzo]

Your flip is irrelevant! this game is over! if you want it.. which clearly you dont...

Enigma wont need to say anything, Im pretty sure the Mod will be decent enought to end this with the town moves in place.

[Alonzo]

but no I'm never letting you live after this.

I full bore know you are the scum at this point, who angry and fair enough... You played really well irreguardless of your flip here.. it only matters to you cos your wincon is scum.

[Alonzo]

Thuthfully I'm viewing this defiance as increasing likelyhood your a JOAT or something similar who will happily compromise a no lynch, so no, to rule out that possibility you are going, as you could kill me tonight and mislynch rur tomorrow claiming she couldn't be the BG.

Town you must see the threat you present by being alive...

[Alonzo]

yes, you've figured it out, i'm a joat that's no-killed for two nights and still has the strongman shot, yep

I'm good!

The point is its not a worry we need to have.

[Alonzo]

And of course If you flip green super apologies, up till 2 pages ago i was down to Lynch Enigma. This is purely mechanical.

Don't hate the player hate the game!!

The best way for your chosen town team to win is if you set us free!

[Alonzo]

Thats fine, gives me more time to convince Enigma of your scuminess if it isn't abundantly clear to him...

By his own admission he's had his finger off the pulse.

Game on I guess..

[Alonzo]

Enigma.

Remeber all the times I didn't lynch you in this one?

Good.

Time to pay the piper.

[Alonzo]

Sure my mistake, I thought I read somewhere you were literally spamming the mod to end this game...

[Alonzo]

surely you see its better than a no lynch which is the road you will force us down..

[Alonzo]

Ok , we no lynch and rur dies overnight.

Wheres my head at?

[Alonzo]

I see it..

[Alonzo]

Ok, still dancing to rurs beat. Ruru you choose please before me and skitter kill each other..

[Alonzo]

...JOAT aside I'd have my result...

Joat its already over...

[Alonzo]

Like i said.. basic bitch when it comes to setup stuff...

[Alonzo]

But anyway, You know your town, I know I'd RB you, we know scum wont kill.. you will get lynched, night will fall i will RB enigma, there will be no kill we lynch Enigma.

Im on record as being willing to skip the foreplay.

I guess we just have differing Ideas of what that foreplay is...

[Alonzo]

No, thats not right, as scum I'd still have to outplay rurus block

[Alonzo]

lol..no im missing it again as usual! rur would die.

[Alonzo]

jeez now I have to re-motivation-read all of alonzo's play with the idea of me being a doctor

I hate this game

What do you mean ?

[Alonzo]

Basic mechanics ruru we lynch skitter. If that doesn't end the game we RB Enigma and Lynch him tomorrow.

Skitters Pride wants a no lynch, but she will only live long enough to see herself become the villian when there no NK tonight...

Pedit- Skitter If I was scum I woulda shut up and just lynched Enigma with you two..

[Alonzo]

alonzo, what exactly did you think my role did?

Blocked Nk's on your chosen target..

Why do you ask? did I seem unclear somewhere?

[Alonzo]

so you know I would die instead, but you misread that it wouldn't stop the game from ending?

I momentarily forgot the game would end for scum! me there, because I'm not scum and havn't been thinking like that....

Why dont you think we should mechanically solve this 100% right now ruru? cos skitters streak?

[Alonzo]

I'v already said if you are scum here ruru then GG.

Again to emphasise the point scum!me doesnt need to sit here for three hours fighting with skitter, I could have just lynched Enigma.

Honestly Skitter rolling town! will be the best thing that could happen RN, but the longer she resists her town win condition the worse it looks for her...

[Alonzo]

A rb on you in this situation would be a gamethrow as you call it..

[Alonzo]

Yes, in a vacuum thats true, but Skitters refusal to lay down is telling given she already conceeded theres nothing she can/will do to prevent scum you winning this ruru..

[Alonzo]

Enigma shouldn't resist a skitter lynch as either alignment if hes got his head on straight. But im telling you now, theres no way scum! Enigma can win with me alive barring him being the JOAT somehow, which skitter assures me isn't possible at all.

Scum! skitter can still talk you around given one more day and on account to how open you have been to her throughout this game...

Even If I RB her and theres no kill.. she still has a chance of talking you into disbelieving me... amirite? you say 100% but do you mean it? it sounds like you don't which scares me...

[Alonzo]

i mean from my pov if it's not enigma it's just you

like everything you're saying depends on you being town

Again. Scum me would have won with an Enigma Lynch at this point.. There's 0% chance I'm scum..I woulda followed Skitter on the Enigma Vote and won. simple as.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: ENIGMA

[Alonzo]

If It was skitter I told you so!

If it was ruru... Damn your a sick Puppy!!

[Alonzo]

So I lied. I RB'd ruru last night...

Dont judge me =)