Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Irrelephant11]

who plays scum self-sacrificially what

I'll need more than gut on enigma to townread him
Or at least I'll need enigma to come make my gut feel it too

fair point re:HWS but I think that if he was scum that makes it more likely the other scum tries to hop on the wagon, knowing that if they don't it'll be a pure wagon. Either way I think a scum on the wagon is likely, and that if I'm right on that it's either enigma or someone widely townread like vex or skitter
Leaning the former because of the fact that town functioned well enough to hit scum
What was the case on the red slot? Lurkiness? Or like a real case someone put forward?

[skitter30]

if being at l1 would make you more motivated that could definitely be arranged

This line was funny to me. Sounds like it's from a cheesy old mafia movie.

TW: were you reading the game at all before replacing in?

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ArcAngel's Jungle Republic is an ok show of me being this way as town but I hammed it up a lot

yeah i was thinking about that game a bit

yeah *hammy* is a good word; this game doesn't really feel the same as that one to me tho; i'd have to go back and like reread that one to remember why exactly

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I'm asking about the opposite of bussing meta: games where you forced through scum agenda and got yourself lynched to set up your teammates to endgame

uh american presidents mafia

he let his partner bus him day3 and the partner rode it to like mylo

i don't really see him doing that here tho?

i'm not sure what it's indicative of that he isn't brining this up

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yeah I know but also
:/

ok ejji could easily be scum. quick WIM on the catch up is super easy to fake. he's lurking during the bit where the game needs a fire lit under it. scum motive is p clear there

GEm doesn't feel right lmaoo

what is WIM?

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Irrelephant11 replaces ejjinami. Welcome!

hi hi hi

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If anyone wants my vote elsewhere do these two things:
summarize a towncase on enigma
summarize a scumcase on whoever you want lynched

If that doesn't happen, you'll have to wait for me to catch up more.

i mean i'm still mildly townreading enigma and you're the person i want lynched soooo

(literally the only reason why i'm not voting you right now is that the slot was empty for like a week)

enigma i'm kinda lightly townreading on tone + he seems to be the lynch target of multiple people i'm scumreading which makes me wary

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-Just because it's not scummy of enigma to do the things laid out in 1157 doesn't mean it's towny of him

we should be lynchign scummy people, not people who haven't towntold; those aren't the same thing

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ceejay only got lynched because a50 was also hard scumreading him and he was like universally nullscumread and I thought his reaction to tw's scumread was also scummy

i mean it was partially a compromise deadline lynch, at least for me

a50 wasn't ever going to vote nm either i'm pretty sure

[Irrelephant11]

i mean i'm still mildly townreading enigma and you're the person i want lynched soooo (literally the only reason why i'm not voting you right now is that the slot was empty for like a week)

Oh sad

[ruru]

who plays scum self-sacrificially what

I mean that in his position as scum I'm probably doing whatever to get town lynched d1 and claiming a guilty on town d2

but tw kinda plays scum like a survivor so I don't know if him pushing ceejay is actually town-indicative

[Irrelephant11]

just gonna set the record straight.

your read on me here feels really over keen as hell.

those posts are me being me and just because you caught me as scum once in a doomed slot that doesn't have any bearing on my alignment (and nor does it mean I'm a free lynch for you to pull out of your hat wheneverthefuck)

currently slightly more likely a bad taken from town!you than a bad setup from scum!you but either way it's bad and I'm not sure how to feel about that yet

having said that you do have experience misreading town!me so it's probably earnest

this game feels like a loss.

scumslip much?
town is gonna wreck this shit

@Creature mostly, Gamma slightly
sorry but with 48 hours to go I really am not gonna obvtown hard enough to get you all to settle down. all I can do is ask for a reevaluation d2.

I'm more or less fine with this game/list I'm just not warmed up and don't have that urgent energy yet.

lynch someone who's actually gonna flip red. or if I'm designated d1/n1 death lmk and I'll stop putting effort in.

{tw, larvitar}
{ }
{a50, vex}
{skitter30, ruru, Buj, Gamma, ejji}
== null == {hot water service}
{NM, Enigma}

tragic

anyway
not towncasing my pred. it's a waste of valuable meta when the outcome is predetermined to me. you'll all get over it

ruru more likely town for overbtinkjng it that far. I'm prolly overthinking her

I'm at least gonna go down voting the mechanically correct slot. I want post-game bragging rights if there's no vig or this is traitor.

VOTE: NM

didn't say it was a tell. I just feel like a few of you are too used to seeing me as scum to sort me without me energetically powertowning which I don't have the enthusiasm to do.

I think tw's play has been results-oriented in a tmi way: he expects to deliver us a redflip and then not die as a result, without really scumhunting or doing anything else towny

ok so you literally witnessed what happened the last time I tried to bus so please tell me you actually think I

*clears throat*

> rep'd into a scumslot
> decided to expose scum!cjv for towncred (?) when he'd just been dropped into his usual "too hard to read" bin
> cjv then spewed antiassociatives and then flaked from the game because.....?? he didn't like my bus strategy? waht
> I suddenly got really really good at bussing and changed my bussing ethos dramatically

like this conclusion is so vague and has nearly no thought behind it. I'd feel better if you jumped into the thread with a fucking fake guilty. seriously. stop tunnelling me and pay attention to the fact cjv and I were obviously not scum together.

actually fuck it this could be scum. will revisit later


hypo inno Bujaber

VOTE: ejjinami

"being lazy town" is kind of a vague spectrum
are you looking for a game where I've had a hard time getting / staying engaged? I think it's more of a trending issue for me because I'm getting fairly bored of the game in a general sense

the more I'm thinking about it the more I'm liking this angle on my slot from you, I think I was just irritated by the conclusions being drawn too quickly fyi

one question tho: where is your awareness of your history of misreading me?

I still kinda think I want enigma.

radical thought
someone remind me why I'm townreading Vex?

and yeah my playstyle is rarely consistent which I think is why some people find reading me to be a pain in the ass

I'm townreading everything above this line -----

Occum's razor would put scum in {you, hws} from the a50 flip but it's stupid as shit. he was just a good kill--he was not going to let the mislynch on me go through, had fast-moving reads and was set to reevaluate after d1 so

just a generally solid kill I think

this sounds a little scum gloat-y

like if you think the gamestate is losing, but you're too low energy to care, then you still shouldn't be scumreading me for having thought the gamestate was losing

I actually felt the exact opposite there.
for a moment things were starting to make sense but now they're wonky again. idk I'm probably overthinking stuff.

@tw

why is my progression on your slot confusing?

probably need a Fancy Post for this, we can go into it later or whatever

hws isn't here...

also the strength of my hws scumread is less than the strength of your ceejay scumread so probably we should just lynch nm

oh my bad this is actually a wrecking ball of common sense

that's personal bias and has nothing to do with winning the game

it does if someone is starting to kinda realising on a subconscious level that this isn't scum!ducky and you're twisting their arm back into lynching me.

the main reason I'm netting skitter above the null line rn is the actual parallels she's drawing between me and other games. I think she's actually thought about this. she's just wrong and a part of me is pretty sure she realises to some degree that she's wrong.

you also clearly don't know Skyg's scum meta lmao

anyway
not towncasing my pred. it's a waste of valuable meta when the outcome is predetermined to me. you'll all get over it

ruru more likely town for overbtinkjng it that far. I'm prolly overthinking her

@tw

why is my progression on your slot confusing?

probably need a Fancy Post for this, we can go into it later or whatever

fancy post when?

not before I'm lynched
I'm actually v/la over the weekend but won't qnnounce it because you fucks are mislynching me anyway

Just look for who should have known better and adjust reads accordingly lol

somewhere around here I started liking her but it's slightly intangible. I just think there's

an elephant

of over thought nuance that comes from town!ruru long before scum!ruru

How did you know I was coming

gg town
it was fun

I mean welcome Rel

hey
hey wait
this was rude!
rude.

[Irrelephant11]

Welp I 100% meant to spoiler all of that, sorry everyone.

I guess I see your point @ruru about tw maybe choosing to push his scumbuddy for his own survival
I just think Occam's razor is that, until there's a surprising flip somewhere along the line, it just makes sense to assume the player pushing scum was town, especially given the wagon died and revived

[Irrelephant11]

@skitter can you give me some reads and stuff
I know it's usually not fun to try to engage with a scumread you'd rather lynch
But like I'm town and need help so

[skitter30]

{creature}
{ruru}
{enigma, vex}
{}-- null
{bujaber, alonzo, gamma, tw}
{you}
{}

i'm unhappy with that bujaber/alonzo/gamma/tw tier but i'm not entirely sure what to do about it

idk what else do you want me to talk about?

[Irrelephant11]

Why is enigma so high on your list? Would my greenflip lower him at all?
I think you should townread tw more than you are, fwiw

Wanna examine one of buj/gamma/Alonzo iso with me in real time

[skitter30]

enigma is some combo of gut/tone/good timing of posts that i dont' think i can explain better + most of the below-null camp have been pushing him and like none of the above-null camp have been

tw used to be my biggest scumread so i'm making progress; still don't feel like i can confidentally townread him but it isn't nearly strong of a scumread as it has been previously

and sure

which one do you want to look at?

[Irrelephant11]

well Alonzo is a wagon
let's start there

[skitter30]

oh and your greenflip would prob move him down a bit

i don't know if it would knock him out of town tho; i'd probably create a new tier between his current one and null and put him there i think

[Irrelephant11]

So to start, HWS didn't mention the flipped scum once, even with a nullread
seems sorta unlikely for scum partners, but I guess I'd have to see if the flipped scum treated him similarly

[Alonzo]

Im listening

[skitter30]

ok i'll start with hws since that's who alonzo replaced

No big fan of Frank either for the same reasons as Gemerald/Vex

VOTE: Gamma emerald let's do this for now I think!

i'm still a little dubious that he voted gamma over frank here (you ultimately replaced frank) given that iirc there were already votes on both frank and vex

Ruru why would it be expected town behaviour to copy your vote which iirc was the only one on the wagon

but i also thoguth this was a reasonable explanation

I'm catching up in the middle of the vig talk and don't see why scum A51 would want to gambit bait the vig shot... As either alignment? I feel the only way to resolve this is shooting him and if he doesn't die he's the

BP goon?

Or is tired!hws being dumb here

actually rereading this i'm not sure why he's assuming that there's a bp goon ('the' bp goon) and why he isn't assuming he might be a traitor or something

and then he basically flaked and replaced and idk if that's ai for him

I'm town, I was gonna deathtunnel A50 today, so I need to re read and come up with a plan B

this is still bothering me; it makes me feel like he was trying to act surprised about a50 being dead; and that it took him a fairly long time to come up with like reads on anybody else

@VV

I have a strict Lynch NM policy. A50 unvoting NM and saying I never vote NM is THE singlemost scummy post I think I 'have ever seen. Probably best he's dead, I would have dragged this game waaaay down by now =)

although i kinda believe this from the snakes and noodles game we just finished; he death-unneled nm throughout and i think he was scummy pushing a policy lynch but eventaually read a newbie where he did just that as town and realized that it's just a thing he very very strongly believes in

VOTE:GAMMA

L-1?

i'm also dubious about the gamma wagon in that the people i don't townread are voting him

HWS was TOWNY AF

A50... mostly clown shoes..

Hws suspicion was well founded despite what you say captain hindsight. Also Im pretty sure HWS wasn't the only one sus of A50...

still uncertain that he labeled hws as being 'townie af'

why has this game stalled .... ?

i have like nothing new to say

sure, let's see what happens if i vote VOTE: alonzo

Boredom vote?

How are me and Ejji a team here skitter?

not sure why he's saying i said he/ejji is a team given that i didn't say that

Ok, I have reads on all slot sbut Skitter who will get their own post at a later time (cos meta)

i can kinda buy that he didn't have a read on me right away

all in all i'm kinda gut town on him rereading the whole thing in one shot?

[Irrelephant11]

Spoiler: Alonzo posts

radical thought
someone remind me why I'm townreading Vex?

dunno... did it start with B and end in AAAAAA?

Idk about Alonzo but I would have a hard time being this flippant as scum

Hi I'm here to ensure scum ain't got nothing on town

mic drop

ditto on the tone here
Scum usually try harder to look towny I feel like? Like I don't think scum would think to make a point of bringing something so flimsy up as a reason to be townread

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In post 1716, the worst wrote:
ya nah that's fair, scumflip after a long ass d1 makes d2 ironically pretty exhausting

you're fine just bad timing for me to try and re-read you

happy w Gamma or Enigma today


might be ok with gamma, but enigma i still think is town; he has this like ... guileless quality to his posts that i townread

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In post 1724, Alonzo wrote:
HWS was TOWNY AF

A50... mostly clown shoes..

Hws suspicion was well founded despite what you say captain hindsight. Also Im pretty sure HWS wasn't the only one sus of A50...


a50 was incredibly obvtown despite some peope's misgivings; what does the fact that that hws was not the only person sus of a50 have to do with anything or enigma's read on you

have you ever played with a50 before?

please describe how hws was towny af

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I like your First point, this was part of my thinking when I voted.

A50 and me may have crossed paths when I was new to site, the name seemed vaguely familiar when I read it, I will go back and compare games to see if thats true.

I would have been pushing him today from re reading this game. His Nk helps me skip the foreplay, so I will be voting within the slots I find most sus today..

this isn't my favorit... He keeps delaying providing reads
Though I think context would show that he was repeatedly being asked to provide reads so I wonder if scum would really feel so brazen as to brush those off over and over

Well vote me if u like, Im here and active, transparent as Fook.

Looks like the low hanging fruit is universally agreed on at this point... Tho I admire those who would try to pull me down with them, Its pointless 'less ye be scum yerself'

had my first game with Creature not long ago, his reads are solid, so I'l sheep Creature whilst hes alive... IDRC how Icky it makes skitter feel...

Townreading not caring what skitter thinks here

Im gonna cook Dinner, then you will get you readmap.

Like really making a point of announcing that he is delaying reads. He provides them shortly after this but surely scum would just get lurky/provide fake reads sooner? Or, not "surely", but it seems to me that scum are more likely to do those other things

maybe my feelings will get stronger when Town stops riding my ass and starts voting Scum...

I get the need to sort me, but Im transparent and stubborn.

Will a link to my scum meta help you feel better about me?

At this point I believe this as I see it

@skitter agreed that he reads gut town, though his play hasn't been stellar in regards to the quantity or quality of reads & analysis.

[Creature]

Oh right, Alonzo has nothing to say about the scumflip we had D1?

[Alonzo]

I was on the NM wagon in spirit?

As I mentioned, I woulda been all over A50 today had things gone differently.. Doesn't change my alignment in this one. Its a bonus for Town A50 going down in this instance.

I suspect there will be a subtle nuance between Creature and A50's reads D1 that scum moved upon lest they be outed by A50...

As we are busy.. I will share some of the thoughts behind the reads I gave..

[Irrelephant11]

Spoiler: you've probably re-read all these before

I'm on page 15 sorry for being slow.

Anyway, here's where I'm at so far.

HWS

Nulltown. Nothing on here really struck me as bad or towny. The only thing I'm seeing here that makes me think he's town is that he does what he says, regarding "you shouldn't only ask questions but post reads as well."[/ spoiler]

Antihero

Nulltown. Dunno what to say about him. I agree with some of his posts, like his early "sky is just trolling" read and maybe a little on Gamma's entrance. So yeah, my view on him is something like "he seems to be town but he doesn't look town enough."[/ spoiler]

Skygazer

I wanna townread Sky at this point because all of her posts so far up to this point are so blatantly lacking in content and I think scum would play this more seriously.

I'm undecided on Sky, I'd rather we not lynch Sky today and try to sort her at another day.[/ spoiler]

Frank

Nullscum. So far, his posts to me feel like posting for the sake of posting. I'm not getting townpings from him at all. His posts are dull.[/ spoiler]

Gamma

Null. His posting can might as well come from both alignments. I had trouble imagining him as either town or scum because it doesn't matter if his posts are genuine or not, it's still true.

I need to read more.

Only thing that look town to me so far is his meta read on A50. I think he really believed in it.[/ spoiler]

I'll do the rest later.

I think antihero looks and skygazer look the worst here. Scum usually like to mention their scumpartners among other reads like this. antihero is.... buj and skygazer is.... tw? hm, ok

cjv thoughts on tw?

Nothing yet. I think he's the kind of player that gets easier to read as the game gets longer, so I'll hold off on reads

Gut says town tho

@skitter have you seen me rep into a town slot before?

Did you replace into a scum slot again? Why do you always get the good slots?

do you know why tw is scumreading you?

Uh meta I guess? He never directly read me like this before.

But he already said why?

Idk how exactly to remedy that other than to keep playing.

Antihero's posts ping town but Bujaber's posts ping scum

Idk what to do with him

again there's random focus on the antihero/buj slot. I'm gonna look here next

where's my greeting NM? I even voted you as a warm greeting.

VOTE: theworst

I see why tw has earned so much attention. cjv and nm were really loud about the slot in comparison to other slots. I don't see it as svs at this point, though? cjv feels more like he didn't know how to disagree with tw so he just tried to ignore/deflect the slot. nm looks like he just vengevoted for the heck of it.

[ruru]

We could just lynch bujaber, I feel like he posts more as town

[ruru]

the d1 bujaber wagon was short-lived and unsatisfying.

[ruru]

VOTE: bujaber

[the worst]

what is WIM?

Wants It More
like the burning urge to win the game that radiates from some people's posts

very often confused for towniness

[the worst]

How did you know I was coming

WHAT A WEIRD TYPO IN HINDSIGHT

[the worst]

i'm also dubious about the gamma wagon in that the people i don't townread are voting him

ok but you're literally wrong on more than half of those reads. statistically. it's just seems weird you're avoiding players based on wagons when you're wrong on so many sub-null reads