Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Alonzo]

I'm no mafia mastermind but believing TW/Gamma/Enigma is TvTvT is a little beyond me.

And I need to see some real evidence before I consider a Nig lynch today...

[ruru]

I'm not totally sure abt Buj he feels like.. uncareful

interestingly I got the opposite feeling

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm no mafia mastermind but believing TW/Gamma/Enigma is TvTvT is a little beyond me.

And I need to see some real evidence before I consider a Nig lynch today...

Please write that differently from now on

[Alonzo]

What do you think of the current gamestate Gamma?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it’s slow but bound to get something done right eventually

[ruru]

Maybe we should just lynch gamma

[Alonzo]

Maybe we should just lynch gamma

why?


and why now?

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 2.11

Alonzo (1):

Vex Vience

the worst (2):

Enigma, Alonzo

ruru (0):

BuJaber (1):

ruru

Enigma (3):

Irrelephant11, Gamma Emerald, Bujaber

Irrelephant11 (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (2):

Creature, skitter30

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (1):

the worst

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-10-02 10:30:00)

Other:

- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- BuJaber V/LA through Sunday

[Enigma]

Yep, feeling like duck is scum bp, and if so GE is probably his scumbuddy.
VOTE: tw
HURT: tw

uh why do you think this exactly?

It was a mix of duck's comment EoD1; duck commenting about traitor or vig being roleblocked, but omitting bp; sky's weird play; GE's poor reasoning and sheeping onto my wagon.
Though it was probably a bit knee jerk looking back at it. Don't think duck would have been so obvious as to oppsies forget bp if he is bp + the mechanics play he mentioned is reasonable.

[Enigma]

Like I feel there are two distinct blocs with different lynch preferences forming atm.
{Creature, skitter, Korina, ruru, me}
{Elephant, GE, BuJ, tw, Alonzo}

I TR most of the first bloc actually ... just leaving this thought here as I think it would be interesting to look at once we have more flips.

[Enigma]

VOTE COUNT 1.28

Almost50 (0):

HeWhoSwims (1):

Almost50

the worst (1):

Not_Mafia

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

Not_Mafia (7):

the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami

LYNCH

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (2):

HeWhoSwims, BuJaber

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (1):

Gamma Emerald

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-14 16:30:00)

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- HeWhoSwims still needs to be replaced

wait wow let's talk more about this
@anyone thinking scum didn't bus
NM flipped and then so did A50
That means you think scum:
A] were both voting Gamma Emerald
or
B] were Gamma Emerald and one of the people voting Gamma Emerald (meaning only two votes at EOD were not on scum)

So scum like almost definitely bussed? Which is already the conclusion to make when they shoot off wagon...
Which I guess makes my argument that tw didn't bus sound dumber
Maybe it is dumber
I still think he's a suboptimal lynch for riding the slot across two wagons and all the way to lynch

But since yeah, scum almost definitely bussed, my argument for it being one of enigma/skitter/ruru/vex makes sense again
I still think enigma is the most likely, but I've kind of been operating on "this looks enough like townskitter" without going in depth there
ditto ruru, though I don't know ruru's meta much at all (just sheeping it)

Like @world what do you think about this eod vc? Gamma looks sorta towny for it

Ehhhhhh so like I mentioned there was absolutely no value for me voting the L-1 here, especially if I was scum knowing that NM would flip red. I would gain zero town cred ...why would I just not lurk and let someone else vote or hope that a NL went through? At that stage I would have voted anyone (and it would be anti-town not to given the overwhelming apathy which you missed out on), and probably just my bad luck that NM flipped red making my L-1 awkward. I wasn't very confident on NM flipping red anyways

[Enigma]

guys why are we punishing tw for flipping scum in our reads?
Like if we flip green once or twice and we're confused then we should probably challenge our assumptions,,,
But until then anyone who's pushing tw for TMI-ing the lynch is also just punishing good town play if he's town (which RNG says he is likely to be)

Like one time tw survived till near endgame as SK by actually shooting most of the scumteam
If he's scum and wants his own team dead let's sheep him, not kill him

anyway
I'm still not totally caught up but I don't understand tw scumreads rn

IMO RNG is not a valid excuse for townreading duck.
Bussing one partner is a thing. Bussing both partners a bit more risky. CJV/NM was a doomed slot.
Not sure how duck read CJV so strongly when he was site flaking and barely had any posts here.

This is agenda-ey
anyone who disagrees is bad
@Korina @Creature thoughts on Enigma's play like right now?

Like what agenda?
All I see is your agenda trying to convince people to vote for me.

[Enigma]

tw's posting on this page is weird but I don't really think it makes him a bp goon

like he's just talking about optimal play and I do think it's optimal because bp goon is just objectively unlikely to exist compared to traitor or even roleblocker

#goodposting

also I honestly don't think a scumteam of MWNN + Skygazer + someone is bad enough to take BP goon lmao

can we take a moment to appreciate how objectively wolfy Enigma's posting here has been

Well my line of thinking has been that scum probably took a few mods since the A50 kill was a bit awkward and could be TPR hunting ...

who reads A50 as non VT there?
when do I ever kill A50 there?
just engage w me a little here because your theory that I'm scum is super porous

A50 made a post about you TPRing GE sometime on D1. And then you don't comment on it D1, and then you completely backflip on this D2 by voting GE. Then you didn't comment on it when I asked you today. Can't quite formulate something exact off it, but it stood out in my mind as awkward.

So scum can take three mods - NM flipping goon doesn't eliminate the likelihood they took three mods (e.g. recruit traitor, day talk, something else).
Dunno how duck thinks and why scum!you might choose A50 ... a possible reason would be scumteam thought A50 was a TPR but mehh not sure.

[Enigma]

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this is an odd response

I feel like 2136 was pretty town, somewhat reminiscent of zoronos in 728

also it's not wifom that he's posting more than he'd have to as scum on an anonymous alt

Agree, he's being more transparent than he has to and as scum it would just put him at increased risk

[the worst]

Do you think I'm a wolf here?
did you think my push on cjv d1 was actually SvS?
assume I'm starting to think you're town if that's ok, I'm keen to see where your head's at.

pedit: yeah I TPR read GE d1. he had that non wolfy survivalistic vibe to me. I thought I might be wrong on that earlier d2 when he got a lot wolfier but I'm actually just thinking I was wrong and he's Just Town

[Enigma]

guys why are we punishing tw for flipping scum in our reads?
Like if we flip green once or twice and we're confused then we should probably challenge our assumptions,,,
But until then anyone who's pushing tw for TMI-ing the lynch is also just punishing good town play if he's town (which RNG says he is likely to be)

Like one time tw survived till near endgame as SK by actually shooting most of the scumteam
If he's scum and wants his own team dead let's sheep him, not kill him

anyway
I'm still not totally caught up but I don't understand tw scumreads rn

IMO RNG is not a valid excuse for townreading duck.
Bussing one partner is a thing. Bussing both partners a bit more risky. CJV/NM was a doomed slot.
Not sure how duck read CJV so strongly when he was site flaking and barely had any posts here.

IMO RNG is not a valid excuse for townreading duck.

@anyone

What does RNG mean in this context?

bump

Elephant said tw is more probable to be town because of randomness (more chance to roll town than scum). I'm pointing out it is invalid because following that everyone is more probably to be town because of randomness...

[Enigma]

Do you think I'm a wolf here?
did you think my push on cjv d1 was actually SvS?
assume I'm starting to think you're town if that's ok, I'm keen to see where your head's at.

pedit: yeah I TPR read GE d1. he had that non wolfy survivalistic vibe to me. I thought I might be wrong on that earlier d2 when he got a lot wolfier but I'm actually just thinking I was wrong and he's Just Town

No, don't strongly feel you are wolf. Definitely don't class you as town. Scum side of null maybe? Like I alluded to earlier, you are kinda in the sort/deal with before LYLO.
I think I'm just kinda lost on the game state in general (mainly replacements making conflicting reads) and there is something wrong with my read lists.

[the worst]

I don't feel all that good about my reads rn either. it's kinda bumming me out and I'm in a position of "who am I most/least wrong about" rather than "who do I expressly scumread" zzz

[Alonzo]

I noted on TW

that he was always uncertain of his own angles

Probably isn't aligned with gamma (tho there was a speculative back and forth between them since i made these notes)

the Pred was also distant in this one.

I told Tw how he reads to me in 720 and recent with sky means I know she can prod surf . Both of these Can be twisted into horrible TRs

Quack

[BuJaber]

Korina is town please don't make him write another essay on self-meta
I think we had it right earlier gamma v alonzo counterwagons points to 1 scum there. Look how excited people got to vote elsewhere and how much more divided the VC is now.

Enigma + gamma scumteam

[ruru]

whatever it's time for this.

VOTE: Gamma

[ruru]

my case on gamma is that he has okay scum equity and that he should be policy lynched for copping me.

I think it’s slow but bound to get something done right eventually

he's also done a few things that seem outside of blackstar-tell territory and this post is one of them

[Gamma Emerald]

my case on gamma is that he has okay scum equity and that

he should be policy lynched for copping me.

I think it’s slow but bound to get something done right eventually

he's also done a few things that seem outside of blackstar-tell territory and this post is one of them

Excuse me? How does that work?

[ruru]

- Innoing me is anti-town because I'm easy to read
- Innoing me is pro-scum because it keeps all viable mislynches open to scum.you
- I'm really tired of this game where nobody is trying and right now I care more about winning future games by setting a precedent of being more likely to out cops who investigate me than about the 0.5% ev gained in this game by pushing bujaber instead of you because I really have no idea who scum is which pretty much means it's just time to policy lynch someone in the poe pool
- [redacted]

[Gamma Emerald]

First wtf is redacted
Second what about Enigma? You say lynching bu isn’t a good idea but you dodge the actual leading lynch