Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[Light Ethos]

@LE why do you have so few townleans rn?

A combination of things. Day 1 was an absolute mess of a Day. PerniciousParrot, Manatee Dude, and FrankJaeger were AWOL for the bulk of it, and all 3 of those slots are still in the game. the worst didn't care about anything other than surviving Day 1. Not_Mafia replaced in and has been unhelpful. I don't have an easy time reading profii this game.

[profii]

I'm actually interested to hear why you have a strong town lean on Rogers

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: mister rogers

[Not_Mafia]

Reminder mister Rogers still needs to policy lynched

[Mister Rogers]

Vote:Unvote

I have made a mistake somewhere. Either Almost is town R/B or the powers that be have decided to let him live another day for some reason.

Therefore, it makes sense to address Profii's idea of at least identifying Almost's partner, if he is scum and he expressed it as a choice between Gamma or Creaure. Both slots are playing as null_scum at the moment but Creature wasn't doing that until recently today. In reviewing Creature's play regarding FL several times, I have come to understand that this was entirely a play done by FL with the express understanding that Creature was town and therefore he wouldn't blow the gambit apart but ride it out, avoiding a double mislynch. What I have also realized is that this means that Creature!scum's hand would be forced into riding it out as well so that the whole thing is working out as null/AI anyway. Therefore it comes down to trusting FL's read on Creature and my own read on Creature, which is in both cases, town; I choose to trust FL in this matter.

That leaves a scum team of Almost/Gamma, if almost is scum.

What other scum teams am I willing to entertain?

The only other slot that I can hold as scum besides the two named above is N_M and therefore THIS GAME HINGES ON THE RB CLAIM BY ALMOST. MY THEORY IS THAT THERE CANNOT BE A TOWN RB HERE BUT THE POWERS THAT BE HAVE NOT ENTERED THIS THREAD TO DECLARE SO. EITHER THE POWERS THAT BE ARE TACITLY LYING OR THE POWERS THAT BE ARE SCUM.

I will try this again:

Vote: Almost

PS As scum have entered this thread as resplacements, they have no idea wth I am talking about which is as it should be.

[Mister Rogers]

I managed to cruise for 5 game days winning the game single handedly, because most players thought I wouldn't claim an existing Mafia role).

If you claim today as scum, you can get yourself town cred if we buy it.

N_M does NOT have to be scum here.

[Light Ethos]

I'm actually interested to hear why you have a strong town lean on Rogers

Sure. Doughboy earned a solid green from his play. I took the same opinion as him on Krazy asking him if he's a power role in the Neighbor thread. He seemed to be scum hunting the entire time. This is a game where it would be acceptable to slouch as scum on a replace in. Way too much reading for Day 1. Rogers has poured himself in the effort of finding scum since he got here. Has he always been right? No. Has anyone this game? I don't think so.

I don't agree with everything he says, but what he says has often made sense to me.

[Light Ethos]

I managed to cruise for 5 game days winning the game single handedly, because most players thought I wouldn't claim an existing Mafia role).

If you claim today as scum, you can get yourself town cred if we buy it.

N_M does NOT have to be scum here.

You are right. NM doesn't have to be scum in the case that Almost50 is scum, but like I said, I find it highly unlikely that he wouldn't be. Almost50 constrains his options moving forward if he's scum and if NM is town. He runs the risk of getting checked (or his partner) the longer NM lives. It basically forces a night kill on NM. At which point, it probably would have been easier to just not claim. I don't know that if he loses his partner, he keeps the town read he earned from this claim.

Naomi-Tan is the only player that would make sense to me as a partner for Almost50 if NM is town. She has been a town read for just about everyone, and even if A50 we're to die at a later point, he would be relatively certain that his partner would make it to the final 3 with a town read.

Something I don't like about NT's play is that she was fine with shoving Crimson and me while not feeling much need to hear from Frank, Parrot, or Manatee. She also stopped critical analysis of the thread well before most of the replacements came in. I don't know if it's that hard to bus a scum buddy who is struggling (Crimson), pin a town player (me) to that scum player, pocket another new town player (Sashaddin), and peace out of the thread. I'm still leaning town on her, but these things really don't sit well with me.

[Almost50]

If I'm playing this game as a scum Doctor on a scum team with Crimson in a game with a town gunsmith, then when Crimson rage quits and returns making that doctor claim, I would counterclaim Doctor and bus him. Gunsmith gets a green check on me later if he decides to do it, and I get town cred for it. Crimson's play wasn't defensible this game, so bussing him is fine there.

And how are you going to explain your survival to LyLo?

[Almost50]

Is there more than process of elimination as to why you're listing Creature and GammaEmerald as town?

Yes. Creature is 100% Town because of his meta. I may not experience with you to factor your meta in my read on you, but I do have enough experience with Creature (on and off site, although he might not be aware of the off site part)

Gamma not so much so. I do have enough experience with him, but I've been having some difficulties reading him of late.

Let's assume you're Town. Who is scum?

[profii]

I have no idea what to do

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

I have no idea what to do

UNVOTE:

At least we have that in common. And the two most trusted slots I have are not helping me much in terms of figuring things out. Like I appreciate N_M's vote on Rogers, but I need to talk to him about game theory and players associatives.

[Akarin]

@Mister Rogers: If you are that sure of Almost50 being scum and only see Gamma as the possible teammate, are you about as happy lynching Gamma as Almost50?

[Akarin]

I have liked literally nothing that the worst or Not_Mafia have done this game, and I've had two players (Flavor Leaf and Almost50) defend each of them on account of meta reads. If that slot is town, it has not done anything to help. Neither player has participated in the effort of game solving,

Not_Mafia's first check is mostly being considered as a scum doctor check

, and Not_Mafia's second check was nullified.

[Light Ethos]

If I'm playing this game as a scum Doctor on a scum team with Crimson in a game with a town gunsmith, then when Crimson rage quits and returns making that doctor claim, I would counterclaim Doctor and bus him. Gunsmith gets a green check on me later if he decides to do it, and I get town cred for it. Crimson's play wasn't defensible this game, so bussing him is fine there.

And how are you going to explain your survival to LyLo?

I don't see how what you quoted correlates with your question. Can you explain the link?
Additionally, how is your question a helpful question to ask? We're only in LyLo tomorrow if we mislynch today. That's a bridge I'll cross if we mislynch and I'm not night killed.
The two scum night kills were more or less dictated by the town power role claims. Krazy claimed something confirmable, so scum killed Krazy night one. Either town!Not_Mafia or one of the confirmed town Mason claims were the only reasonable choices for last night's kill. I don't know what scum's night kill strategy will be from here on out, and I also don't think it's a valuable use of time to speculate on it.

[Akarin]

How is it possible to understand and misunderstand how gunsmith + mafia doctor works in the same post?

[Almost50]

I don't see how what you quoted correlates with your question. Can you explain the link?

You said you would CC, meaning you would claim Town Doctor. Town Doctor is a role likely to attract the scum NK, and -since it is a protective role itself- it is unlikely there will be yet another protective that justifies you not being NK'd several nights into the game.

[Light Ethos]

Let's assume you're Town. Who is scum?

I don't know who is scum. I gave a pool earlier. I'll buy your claim. I buy Mister Rogers' town Neighbor claim. I'll still lean town on Naomi.

I gave you my pool of four players if I take all of my townleans into account: profii, GammaEmerald, Creature, Not_Mafia.

You and I have a difference in how we've read this game. You read Creature as town and Not_Mafia as town based on meta reasons. If I eliminate them from my pool now, that means that by process of elimination, profii and GammaEmerald must be the scum team. I don't think that's a very likely situation here, as profii was trying to shove GammaEmerald earlier.

[Light Ethos]

How is it possible to understand and misunderstand how gunsmith + mafia doctor works in the same post?

Where did I show a misunderstanding of how it works?

[Light Ethos]

I don't see how what you quoted correlates with your question. Can you explain the link?

You said you would CC, meaning you would claim Town Doctor. Town Doctor is a role likely to attract the scum NK, and -since it is a protective role itself- it is unlikely there will be yet another protective that justifies you not being NK'd several nights into the game.

My approach would definitely depend on whether my partner got found or not and also who my partner would be. At the worst case, it becomes a WIFOM like the one scum put me into during my first game on this site. RadiantCowbells was in full gamesolve mode from the start and was paranoid of getting night killed. I replaced into a VT slot that was generally a null to scumlean read from most players. Final 3 was me, a guy who replaced in for someone who site flaked, and RadiantCowbells. That LyLo situation seems similar to what you set up. Regardless, the extended hypothetical is not what happened this game.

[Akarin]

Am I the only one who read Not_Mafia's gunsmith targeting of claimed masons as sarcasm?

This doesn't help sort anyone but it's driving me mildly crazy every time people take that seriously.


Also, thanks Gamma for being the only one to use my name, you're my spirit animal.

[Akarin]

If I'm playing this game as a scum Doctor on a scum team with Crimson in a game with a town gunsmith, then

when Crimson rage quits and returns making that doctor claim, I would counterclaim Doctor and bus him. Gunsmith gets a green check on me later if he decides to do it, and I get town cred for it.

Crimson's play wasn't defensible this game, so bussing him is fine there.

Why on

Earth

would gunsmith check a claimed doctor, especially if they suspect a scum doctor exists (which if one scum claimed doctor and they still wanted to check you, they must.

[Light Ethos]

I said if he decides to do it. That isn't what I would do in that situation, but I also wouldn't ever just pick someone at random like Not_Mafia claimed to have.

[Gamma Emerald]

LE’s Logic there feels a bit roundabout to me

[Light Ethos]

Where? Explain.