Mafia 75: Return of the Mafia! TOWN WINS (really late)

[curiouskarmadog]

I am about 2-3 pages back at the moment..hopefully will catch up tomorrow or thursday.

[armlx]

Yeah, that last post is lame enough for me.

Unvote, Vote dahill

heh sorry armlx
i know i'm usually better than this

Hence the vote.

[Pie_is_good]

Pie: Rosso was a cop that found cult members, not a cop turned cult member.

...Oh. That rather changes things.

How millers would interact with Rosso's role is very much up for debate. In any case, though, this certainly doesn't suggest BM's

innocence

(unless I'm missing something major). Therefore,

Conditional Big Honkin' FoS: BM

[armlx]

The major thing is he claimed miller D1 and the cult recruiter a delayed recruiter. Can you think of an explanation for the role name delayed cult recruiter that involves BM knowing he was a recruit D1, him becoming a killing group, and there being no poison kill N2?

[Pie_is_good]

Sorry, my post was incredibly unclear.

The point I was trying to make was: Even giving BM the benefit of the doubt - saying that Rosso would turn up guilty on millers - this would not suggest BM's innocence; it would just be neutral. Hence, when BM said:

Anyway, basically the main thing you need to know is that i'm a Miller-Hider who is confirmed non-Mafia.

... the "non-Mafia" part is baseless and therefore scummy.

Capice?

[armlx]

Yeah, thats about where I am. I just don't feel its strong enough to lynch or waste a vig kill on him right now.

My main issue is he claimed hider D2, and that his hider claim doesn't have the hides with scum = dead issue.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

... the "non-Mafia" part is baseless and therefore scummy.

The non-mafia thing is not baseless because of the guilty cult cop investigation. Assuming that mafia cannot be recruited, which seems a safe bet, then the only two ways that a cult cop guilty makes sense is if BM is miller, or BM is cult. Now, we don't know BM is not cult, but I am vehemently opposed to vigging or lynching the only player we can be certain is not in one, and presumably the most dangerous, scumgroup.

[armlx]

There is no assumption in whether mafia can be recruited, especially in a New York game. Last time I saw mafia recruiting cult was early 2005, we have learned since as a community its a terrible idea.

[Battle Mage]

Catching-Up Stuff:

I could be totally wrong here, but how could you be cult? The cult leader was killed night zero, meaning he only got one night's worth of recruitment, which was apparently Rosso.

How do we know you're confirmed

town

Non-Mafia (does this mean protown, or just not in a group with the dead GF)?

Because a Cult-Cop got a guilty on me, meaning i am either who i originally claimed, or part of a Cult.

Any particular reason we're bandwagoning Dahill (besides scuminess)?

Scumminess is more than enough reason for a BW.

Why is it unlucky that I replaced whatshisface?

Because his play before he flaked out was pretty dubious.

BM

[Battle Mage]

Sorry, my post was incredibly unclear.

The point I was trying to make was: Even giving BM the benefit of the doubt - saying that Rosso would turn up guilty on millers - this would not suggest BM's innocence; it would just be neutral. Hence, when BM said:

Anyway, basically the main thing you need to know is that i'm a Miller-Hider who is confirmed non-Mafia.

... the "non-Mafia" part is baseless and therefore scummy.

Capice?

I really wish people would stop ending their posts with 'capice' or something similar. It's nearly as cliche'd as WIFOM.

I dont really understand what you are getting at here though. What part of me being confirmed 'Non-Mafia' is baseless, when clearly i must either be Cult or Town.

BM

[armlx]

It's nearly as cliche'd as WIFOM.

Or initials....

[Battle Mage]

It's nearly as cliche'd as WIFOM.

Or initials....

that wouldve worked better if you had quoted an example. Credit for the idea, but none for the implementation.

BM

[armlx]

Yeah, I should have left in the BM at the end. I realized that after the fact .

[Battle Mage]

Hang your head in shame.

[armlx]

I notice I've made a change already.

[dahill1]

Initials are fine, capiche?

-DH

[JordanA24]

Surye replaces thenextepisode, thanks for replacing in!

[Surye]

Hey guys, will be doing a read throughout the course of the day. Will check back tonight with current thoughts.

[Battle Mage]

Initials are fine, capiche?

-DH

I like the sentiment, but im not taking my vote off you, because you used the word 'capiche'.

BM

Also, HI SURYE!

[Matt_S]

I'm not going to be able to do anything terribly important for a week since it's about time I studied for my other AP tests. I'll still keep up with things, you just won't see me.

[Pie_is_good]

UnFoS: BM

. I didn't make that logical connection for whatever the reason.

[Xtoxm]

This post is just dense opportunism.

I wouldn't say so, I can remeber doing the same myself, because of the way you insisted you were clear without bothering to explain it to us.

It is in the interests of scum to avoid protown players being deemed 'confirmed'. Xtoxm has seen me exhibit this in spectacular fashion recently.

Lol

Does this mean you do want to be confirmed now? You said earlier it was bad for you to be confirmed.

Anyway, admittedly, the case isnt as strong as i thought, and i think there may be a better play for today.

I'd agree here. I've had it before when I thought someone was really scummy and a reread of them puts them in a better light.

No, shouldn't there normally be more than one cop in a game this size? I might be wrong, but that's what I thought.

Well, with 2 cops dead I wouldn't really expect to see any more. Although admittedly, i've not played that many games this big.

heh sorry armlx
i know i'm usually better than this

Agree that I don't like this post much.

@Pie - Vig is pretty much completely confirmed...

How millers would interact with Rosso's role is very much up for debate.

Well BM said he'd been guilty to both, and that's kinda what i'd expect from a miller.

Yeah, thats about where I am. I just don't feel its strong enough to lynch or waste a vig kill on him right now.

I disagree, confirming someone town isn't a waste.

I dont really understand what you are getting at here though. What part of me being confirmed 'Non-Mafia' is baseless, when clearly i must either be Cult or Town.

Yes, which is useful, but elimating the cult part there would be even more useful.

[armlx]

Oh, also, Pie, you will be dissappointed to know the real vig counterclaimed the SK instead of NKing them, leading to them being directed at a townie.

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok, if I have missed any question, please repost.

Why are we not hanging TS?

How are any of these posts helpful?

The point of the role Miller is to show up guilty to investigations. In general. Not just sane cops that detect mafia ones.

Yes! That's why we should gear our strategy around the survival of this precious role that cannot possibly backfire. I'm on board with the rest of you guys.

You imply that you think he's telling the truth...That's the opposite to what you've been arguing.

I do! BM would never lie, I agree with everyone. I don't know what I was thinking before.

But that is irrelevent if he's telling the truth about the hider part, which can be cleared.

Yes, it must be true, and let's clear him, because "miller" and "hider" are super pro-town roles, more than doctor or cop even, the "clear" won't be tainted at all by the miller/hider part of it! I was wrong. I admit it.

I don't think most people get why I think BM is not scum or some cult. Those who are up for not reading and really looking at things might get it. I hate to say this, but the second reason I killed Xtoxm was because BM thought he was town even though he didn't really say anything that sound town to me. I figured in my mind BM was protecting him for a reason so I killed him to see if that was true. Well Xtoxm turned out to be vanilla and BM was right. Now you all can just STFU about it.
Thank you.

what does any of this have to do with BM not being cult?

So, there is still some mystery way to confirm BM as miller that he hasn’t told anyone yet (as far as I can see)…can you please explain?

[armlx]

TS = DGB = standard level of useful.