Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[Music and Mail]

that's an extremely lazy 'what people have done' read that fails to account for how towny stuff how people have actually done these things is.

[Gamma Emerald]

No, I'm trying to understand your reasoning on his slot. I don't really like your reasoning on Gamma or Implosion or me, and CM1 didn't cop you when he said he would so now I have to actually think about your alignment which I was hoping not to. And that is also making me wonder about CM1, since if he was scum not copping you would be pretty key to you getting mislynched if you're town.

I'll look at his interactions with A50 if that's why you think he's town though

The only reason I had to doubt M&M being Town was them soft pushing PP, which I thought could be a distancing maneuver. Since PP flipped town that obviously not possible.

[implosion]

A50, I still want an answer to this:

What would be a not-weird kill to you, a50?

Why is BuJaber a weird kill?

I've tossed it around a bit more and I think Carcalilly is actually a very good candidate for scum. A team of e.g. NC/Carca/{A50/M&M} explains the nightkill very succinctly fmpov, and carcalilly's vote on the Penguin wagon is actually terrible. This followed by this to L-1 Penguin just looks so much like posturing. 1623 can also easily be scum Carca->scum NC. I don't think they kill BuJaber last night unless some of his reads are right; NC probably isn't enough. If NC is scum without gamma or Carcalilly, most likely, I get shot last night instead. I think that's mostly true regardless of who's scum. Unless they specifically caught a cop crumb from BuJ or something but that's remote enough to discount.

BuJ's relevant dying reads were basically a bottom tier of me/gamma/carca, and a second-bottom tier of spoogh/NC with NC moving down further later because of what happened with him and Penguin. I don't think Spoogh is scum and I sort of doubt 1 scum in that list gets BuJ killed when he's a slot that hasn't been especially vocal in the most recent part of the day imo. But it is always possible that he was just shot for being near-universal townread.

I like Gamma's mention that BuJ dying screwed with his reads; he hadn't really talked a lot about his BuJaber read in isolation that much recently but it looks consistent with how he had been approaching the game, e.g. saying that he thought BuJ might be trying to tie me to him as scum with me. I still think he's town, though it's a weaker read than most at this point. Spoogh I can't strongly remember why I thought his stuff yesterday was moderately town near the end. But I think carca/NC almost certainly has at least 1 and very likely 2 scum.

The other interesting thing about the end of yesterday is the wagon structure; it was skitter as the only one off both dueling wagons, with the NC wagon being composed of Penguin/me/a50/buj/creature, with the middle 3 votes being all in a row. That says fmpov most likely either a50 or NC is scum (still gonna assume Creature is town), since I doubt scum feel much need to drive the Penguin wagon to the degree that they would have had to if all three of them were on it and NC was town. Carca's vote in particular, again, looks very, very suspicious; when she voted, the wagons were 5-5, with just her, CM1, and skitter left to vote. Her vote, and more than that her asking Gamma who he thinks she should vote looks an awful lot like scum pushing the dueling wagons on town/scum toward the mislynch at a critical moment, and looking for justification to not make it look like they are doing that. The asking gamma who she thinks she should vote really, really looks bad the more that I think about it. It's a psychological out, it's scum who wants to absolve themself of being responsible for the mislynch when there was a lynch on scum available.

[implosion]

Really interested in thoughts on the above particularly from skitter, creature, gamma, and almost50.

Particularly from a50, would you agree with the point that wagon structure from a neutral pov points to at least one scum in {you, me, NC}?

[Music and Mail]

implo/gamma are the only lynches ever

yall can start piling up votes

[Music and Mail]

{Nick, sphaggeti} --- nullish scum
{Carca, imp, gamma}

I just want to point out that besides spaghets

my readslist is the exact same as the N1 kills readslist
the lynches I'm trying to lead are the exact same ones at the N1 kill would have led on.

[Music and Mail]

(also I didn't even notice that, damn fucking nice job bujaber you are the man)

[Music and Mail]

like holy fuck this doesn't even have to come from me anymore
Carcalilly is the pre-claimed N2 cop so she's off the menu
let's lynch between Gamma/Implo, the guy who got shot's N1 scumreads

Easy as pie!

[Not_Mafia]

Carcasilly is scum

I'm N1 cop

VOTE: Carcasilly

[Music and Mail]

ok fine

but you need to fucking remember that implo and gamma are scum too, yeah?

[Music and Mail]

Locktown:
M&M
Creativemod1
A50
Creature
Spooghettioso

Skitter

If I die tonight everyone on that list is off the menu for the duration of the game.
If that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty on Carca, that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty. There has been at least one past instance of scum guiltying each other in 685.

[Music and Mail]

(in this setup)

[Music and Mail]

Locktown:
M&M
Creativemod1
A50
Creature
Spooghettioso

Skitter

If I die tonight everyone on that list is off the menu for the duration of the game.
If that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty on Carca, that means lynching NM despite his claimed guilty. There has been at least one past instance of scum guiltying each other in 685.

[Music and Mail]

I would like every player before they vote the guilty to acknowledge that post.

[Music and Mail]

If there is a clear in the remaining pool (that is confirmed not to come from mafia) then then you're lynching in {Creature/Spooghettioso}

no one touches creative/a50/(skitter obviously)

[Gamma Emerald]

Carcasilly is scum

I'm N1 cop

VOTE: Carcasilly

We can hold you to this 100% right
I don’t want you walking this back Marked-for-Death style

[Not_Mafia]

What did I do in marked for death again?

[Not_Mafia]

And yeah, this is like legit, or whatever

[CreativeMod1]

Okay firstly, sorry for the stubbornness at the end there, it was actually some WIFOM, I figured that if A50 was in fact mafia and knew I was being stubborn and was gonna check him then he’d just simply kill M&M, likewise if he was town then mafia might’ve killed him instead

Sadly neither happened so it didn’t work

Also on the basis that M&M might’ve died, I didn’t check them

Skitter is....Town

So the thing that most confuses me here is that this is the first time you said Skitter's name... at all

I don't understand why they were suspicious enough to investigate but not suspicious enough to ask any questions during day 1?

My reason for the check on Skitter, as I stated above I wasn't gonna check M&M or A50

I did want to listen to town and M&M kept saying previously when I stated I didn't want to check them, to check Skitter instead, M&M said they had a massive scum-read on Skitter and that today they would push for Skitters lynch

Find it interesting that N_M didn't out as cop yesterday before I had (I remember there being a long time between asking for cop to out and me being online and therefore coming out, not sure whether N_M had posted during this time and I don't have the time to look it up right now) but for now I shall follow the fellow cop and see where it leads and if he's lying then simple lynch for tomorrow

VOTE: Carcasilly

[Gamma Emerald]

What did I do in marked for death again?

Fakeclaimed marked twice, retracted twice, weren’t lynched either time

[Gamma Emerald]

But yeah I’m fine voting Carca in that case
VOTE: Carcalilly

[Nicholas Cage]

VOTE: carcasilly

[Creature]

Just saw Surreptitious II

Oh, good old times

[Creature]

I'm not impatient

[Spooghetioso]

okay is night time always that long because that was boring and i kept clicking on this thread and there is nothing new and the time was always 1 day or over

also i read the thread now and i see 2 things first skitter is town which dr monkey has said for a long time to i trust them more now and also lilly is scum says miltank which does not shock me because i said that yesterday but i am a little worrying that miltank might be tricking me again like they did alot yesterday so if you are doing that miltank then stop it

VOTE: lilly

lol i was looking for that post that i copy paste and remove the spaces but then i remembered that preview button has vote button