Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[ruru]

votecount

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Reasonably Rational (4):	Toogeloo (449),	NicoRobin (473),	Thor665 (544),	Skygazer (598),
Malakittens (2):	Toranaga (549),	the worst (669),
Flicker (1):	northsidegal (153),
Toranaga (1):	Reasonably Rational (363),
RadiantCowbells (1):	BuJaber (384),
BuJaber (1):	Flicker (497),
Thor665 (1):	RadiantCowbells (610),
NicoRobin (1):	CheekyTeeky (687),
Not voting (5):	TPFKAP,	Chickadee,	randomidget,	Malakittens (90),	Elsa Jay (722),

(expired on 2018-10-16 02:00:00) remain.

[Chickadee]

I have a migraine so I'll make this quick.

-I believe the elsa claim, but my god Elsa's play about it is dumb. Don't publicize your targets. That will not prevent kills, and if you're not even trying then why should we keep you? If scum know who you're protecting, they obviously aren't killing there.
-I'm liking RR for town. I like their push back against the Elsa thing.
-I'm cool with TW for town. Vibes man. Vibes.


I need to sleep now. k bye

[Elsa Jay]

If you all dont want me to be public, fine then. None of you voted for heals anyway.

[the worst]

HEAL: whoever you want

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elsa Jay

We can't have more than 2 of each alignment killed per total cycle, which diminishes the role of Doctor as it is. Add in the fact that Elsa has admitted to not having a town wincon and it makes for an easy choice to lynch since depending on how the game goes, they'll flip to whichever side helps them achieve their wincon, which will make it more difficult to lynch the slot if we find ourselves in deep too far down the road.

I'm not changing my vote and standing firm on this. We aren't leashing third party, regardless of what the role is.

[Elsa Jay]

...

*sigh*

Alrighty then. Atleast I know who doesnt want a heal in the future.

May I also point out that in your own ISO, a third is about flavor bullshit and the Reaver thing, another third is you trying to vote RR, and the other third keeps involving you bringing up the Masonry shit.

Actually, your last post suggested you'd go for Tora and RC in that situation since, while I started it, they were the main contributors there.

Also, literally bringing up the "He's not one of us" mentality as your first real contribution to the game? Easiest way to seem townie.

Actually, fuck it, I just convinced myself your scum.

VOTE: Toogeloo

[Chickadee]

3p is not of concern at the moment. Knowing he's 3p doesn't give us any information on flip, since he hasn't sided with anyone. group scum or even a mislynch is strictly better, information wise.

[TPFKAP]

Please forgive me for being late.

catching up

[Reasonably Rational]

3p is not of concern at the moment. Knowing he's 3p doesn't give us any information on flip, since he hasn't sided with anyone. group scum or even a mislynch is strictly better, information wise.

A mislynch brings us closer to losing, so that's not strictly superior. Why do you believe him?

-Cerb

[Elsa Jay]

What reason is there to douvt me for now?

I helped by making sure you all know its Multiball at least, since I exist. I'm also claiming d1 instead of a late claim that would be less believable day e or day 4.

[Flicker]

@Elsa

- Are you a lone Neutral Doctor, or do you by any chance have a Neutral Psychic/Assassin friend(/sister)?

[TPFKAP]

No flavor is total letdown

[Elsa Jay]

@Elsa

- Are you a lone Neutral Doctor, or do you by any chance have a Neutral Psychic/Assassin friend(/sister)?

Well I have no idea of this is a reference to the show, but that's a big no.

I have no idea if there's even other Neutrals here.

[TPFKAP]

@Elsa

- Are you a lone Neutral Doctor, or do you by any chance have a Neutral Psychic/Assassin friend(/sister)?

Well I have no idea of this is a reference to the show, but that's a big no.

I have no idea if there's even other Neutrals here.

this looks like fishing

[Flicker]

@Elsa

- Are you a lone Neutral Doctor, or do you by any chance have a Neutral Psychic/Assassin friend(/sister)?

Well I have no idea of this is a reference to the show, but that's a big no.

It is - the most likely character your role is based on has a tortured, magic waif assassin sister in that Classic Joss Whedon Feminism* vein. It might have made sense for you to be Masons together, but she could be out on her own, too (maybe it's pre-rescue?).

Anyway, I felt very clever for thinking of that, and now I'm slightly deflated.

*

[BuJaber]

Sky I'm starting to like.

Y

Feels like she's trying to push forward based on her own reads and actively sort. Doesn't feel like someone who's looking for or waiting for clues on how the 'group' will act.

Oh yeah and nsg.. explain nsg townread also please flicker.. because nsg is bordering on her lurky scum meta right now

you realise NSG exists outside of mafia right and it's been like.... less than 24 hours and her posting was way outside of her scum meta and she hasn't been gone that long right....

eh I think this mistake is towny

My perception of time is terrible in mafia games. Fine, she's null. Do you think there's enough for flicker to get a townread off her posts? Felt premature
Also do you think we ought to townread you here so far?

If you are convinced that Elsa is saying the truth then a policy lynch on him on day 1 is bad. Right now he is not a threat. Right now it's in his best interest to side with town. It's in our best interest to kill scum. Even if the chance for hitting scum is small, it's better than a 0 chance. You don't get rid of an asset before you've utilized it.
You want to vote for Elsa, tell us why his claim is bs.

Ftr I think tw may have a point wrt his claim, though overall I believe him more than I doubt him because it's kind of a stupid gambit for scum.

Consider it this way: It was obvious he was trying to crumb

something

. It was obvious his claim was pre-meditated and not reactionary. Therefore if it is a fake claim there must be a reason for choosing this specific claim. What does scum!elsa want to gain from outing the claim so early and without any real pressure on him?
If you don't have an answer then she's not lying. Therefore her flip has 0% chance of flipping scum.

[northsidegal]

i'm on page 24 and i'd just like to make it clear in case other people aren't aware that elsa used to have a thing of really liking being "neutral" and just trying to survive until the end as town, so much so that when i made a role based around him in a theme game i made it a neutral survivor.

i'm not sure if he would go so far as to fakeclaim actually being a neutral third party as town, but i think it should be known.

[Elsa Jay]

-Snip-

My entire gimmick when I was Jaydragonking was that I played like a Survivor as a VT. I held more investment when I was alive and all that.

But now I learned that my death isn't the biggest deal and I can accept death for the greater good...

Except now. Cuz surviving is literally my goal atm. Its fate.

[northsidegal]

quelle coïncidence!

[Elsa Jay]

Even asked Almost if he was trolling when he did that. He said pure RBG, obviously.

Anyway, welcome back to the game, North. Opinion on why Toogeloo decides to go for a Doc claim anyway because of the kill mechanics?

[northsidegal]

Anyway, welcome back to the game, North. Opinion on why Toogeloo decides to go for a Doc claim anyway because of the kill mechanics?

-shrug-

not sure. i've seen that kind of insistence on what's essentially a policy lynch based on role come from town and scum before, from scum in a game that i think you were in where tchill pushed it all day.

[northsidegal]

@rc

, what's your read on bujaber?

[RadiantCowbells]

I scumread him but I'm not sure if he's scum or if I just don't like him voting me.

[BuJaber]

I scumread him but I'm not sure if he's scum or if I just don't like him voting me.

You don't like me voting you.

Cause you're scum.

And if you're not this is a bad reason to scumread me and you know it.

[BuJaber]

Players:

Toogeloo - weird posting. No clear motive. If he keeps it up might become too scummy to be scum. I'd rather he didn't.

the worst - I want to townread him but that would be too easy. It's never easy with tw.

NicoRobin - if scum have a lurker, it's Nico.

RadiantCowbells - probably scum for reasons I have stated so far.

Toranaga - probably town but I'll never be sure if he continues to post like he's tired.

TPFKAP - needs to post. Maybe scum have 2 lurkers actually. Though 2 lurkers + RC team doesn't make sense because who wouldn't want RC as his scum buddy. But if they are lurking might explain why RC doesn't seem that interested in this game.

Chickadee - I have once played with and incorrectly scumread Chick. If she doesn't live past day 1, I likely won't get a read on her.

Flicker - townreads feel like TMI, scumreading me feels like shading in a 'look how cautious I am' sort of way. But if I'm biased on any read it's this one. Because like I haven't townread anything they've posted so far and that's weird.

Thor665 - seems like he's playing a boxing match not mafia. Apparently it's not AI according to Tora.

BuJaber - is one of the gnomes that say non

CheekyTeeky - she's cheeky and she's teeky. I dunno why but gut says town.

Skygazer - townreading for reason stated in previous post

Elsa Jay - 97% sure she's neutral doctor.

Reasonably Rational - Rationally Neutral. Might be a robot.

Malakittens - Town

randomidget - I don't think they've posted

northsidegal - I thought was absent for longer than she's been absent. Null right now. Probably easier to read through other people. Supposedly there's a creature-level activity tell on her but that's an easy thing to take advantage of. Also unless they were meming I'm pretty sure someone has nominated her for being good at scum and she does have an impressive win record so I don't really buy this tell much. (In the sense that her lurking is very likely a scum tell, but her NOT lurking is not a town tell)