Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Korina]

Why are you TRing TW, Irrel?

[Irrelephant11]

I have a hypo-inno
His self meta is towny to me in the same way others have townread your self meta - especially because I've played enough games with him recently to know that it's pretty accurate self-meta
He dunked on scum d1
I'm ignoring the skygazer part of the slot who seemed to lolpost and then replace out when the game got more serious iirc

[Enigma]

Hi everyone
I’m still back to back travelling for work for the next two weeks so posting may be sporadic.

I’m l-2 already wow :/ uggh, bet that at least one scum on my wagon already ...
Will post more tonight. If there are specific questions for me pls note them as my brief skim I’m not sure what others would like me to respond to

[Irrelephant11]

I'll note regarding those townreading enigma for his EOD1 play that I've seen scum do "I don't care who's lynched let's just lynch" near the end of the day to look towny - if he thought his partner was likely to flip regardless, might as well play it that way

BuJaber vote placements aren't stellar at first glance but I thought I townread some of his posts, and nothing damning has come up in vca yet

@enigma how do the flips affect your reads?

[Irrelephant11]

i think you have a decent point
i also think ruru doesn't really view mafia from that pov
i also can understand why you're annoyed with her
i'm trying ot figure out if that annoyance is ai and rn i'm not sure

I'd like to say it's town-indicative but honestly I get annoyed with people who disagree with me on how to play the game IRL regardless of alignment like all the time so probably it isn't

@tw please talk more about your reasons for "wolfsiding"

[BuJaber]

I’m still back to back travelling for work for the next two weeks so posting may be sporadic.

You just beat skitter in the VLA competition.

Phantismo.. got any past games where you repped into a scum slot?

[Irrelephant11]

The first time CJV was up for a lynch, this was Enigma's set of thoughts

The speed at which the CJ wagon formed is a bit off putting .. the VCA will be interesting if/when he flips

CJ and NWMM are so contentless I can barely make a read, and I don't even know if CJ has read the whole thread yet ...
Reading Open 733 where CJ was scum (with tw), CJ actually (pretends) to scumhunt a bit, actively pushes mislynches, and interacts with the gamestate. Open 725 is a bit of a mess to read, but CJ feels also a bit more actively driving lynches (and he was bussing his partner AP).

Maybe part of why I'm hesitant, in addition to CJ simply having zero content, is a lack of CJ voting on someone so far and advancing the game state. I've also mislynched CJ in other games, partly because he was lurky and didn't get a chance to defend himself. But I've also seen town CJ defend himself as the lynch target when he was more active.

So meta wise I don't quite see the picture on CJ.

IDK what I'm getting from cjv is pretty similar to the current best meta tell on scum!Creature

normally it feels like he's mislynched because he lurks for ages then says what's actually on his mind without stepping anyone through his thought processes and his reads are actually often absolutely fine it's just he doesn't always explain them

here he's taken quite a lot of time to produce incredibly safe reads with reasoning and then occasionally floats in and says the game is moving too fast

I just kinda want something that blows my mind, or a lynch

I'm also bad at reading posts so just properly read this. After my previous post defending with CJ, I do agree that this is somewhat scummy. Do you (tw, and AP) think his activity is comparable to his past scum games? My meta dive was really quick, though I kinda felt CJ was a bit more active in those games.

Tbh my preference is still frank as he has yet to satisfactory alleviate the scum concerns on him.
Would not be opposed to CJ vig shot, maybe because I'm not convinced about his alignment (and maybe there is/isn't a vig) but also because I'm kinda interested to know how CJ flips just to figure out the deal with wagon dynamics lol.

Need to read Gamma properly.

Would like to see more from Bujaber and HWS as not sure about their slots.

[Irrelephant11]

I’m still back to back travelling for work for the next two weeks so posting may be sporadic.

You just beat skitter in the VLA competition.

Phantismo.. got any past games where you repped into a scum slot?

Am I phantismo? that's fun and new
No I don't
I've replaced into town slots four times before I think?
Five including this one

[skitter30]

yes hello how would you like to go about sorting me

idk i'm still working on that part

skitter is still a top townread, as is the worst

working on more thorough vca and re-reading more of the thread because idk what else to be doing rn

why am i top townread here? you've tended to waiver on your read on me in the past? i guess i'm asking less of why you're townreading me and more of why you're so confident in it

how are you reading ruru?

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I’m l-2 already wow :/ uggh, bet that at least one scum on my wagon already ...

@engima: who do you think it is?

[BuJaber]

Yeah you are lol
I mean.. I wanted to see how genuine/convincing you can sound as scum. Don't think those will help for that.

How about just any recent scum games then?

[Irrelephant11]

I've only got the one completed scum game - viewtopic.php?t=75861
perfect scum win mostly by my sheer towniness (partner replaced twice) + a little night action luck

@skitter looking at how you've treated flipped slots in the past, nothing is coming up scummy. You avoided scumreading A50, making him less likely to be the nightkill from scum!you imo, and at one point you left the tw wagon d1 and shortly after NM joined the tw wagon - I doubt this sort of oppositional wagon movement would make sense for the two of you as a scumteam
I will say you're not nearly so towny if enigma does flip red, because you've had pretty vague defenses for him, but then again I guess I expect something stronger in defense of him if that's the route you'd take to help your teammate

Also just all around towny play that I've seen from you in past games you've played and am learning to identify

I'm not reading ruru because I believe the 24 hours of me ignoring her slot is still happening

[Irrelephant11]

perfect scum win mostly by my sheer towniness (partner replaced twice) + a little night action luck

while I would obviously recommend taking this with a grain of salt, I will say that I've gotten better as town over time and like to think I couldn't pull off this same "wide-eyed town naiveté" scumgame in a game with players I've played with before (skitter and the worst)

But yeah you would be wise to be very wary of reading me off tone or postcount or like anything conventional
I've been told I can only be read through either lots of pressure or watching my progressions closely for an agenda
good luck

Spoiler:

I'm town btw

[Irrelephant11]

I mean I don't think it is possible to get a lynch on duckling happening in <48 hours. I'm pretty sold that I want to see Frank and/or CJ flip at this stage and it would take a bit of convincing to move enough people onto counter wagons before EOD

Can we just lynch one of CJ and frank, and move onto other stuff the next day? There is no plurality this game. This day is nearly two weeks already....
If Frank/CJ flip town, my bet is on at least one scum in the lurkers/non-voters HWS, GE, BuJ

I think it's time for frank to claim

Someone 2nd this please

we still have to deal with vig things before eod

ceejay shouldn't claim before frank (or we should be lynching ceejay)

there are also a couple posts I want to make before eod and before ceejay claims and I'm busy tomorrow

VOTE: Alonzo

[Irrelephant11]

okay that time the misplaced quotes are definitely my fault lol

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Alonzo

Dogshit

[the worst]

quack

[Alonzo]

what do you want?!

[skitter30]

duckling what are your thoughts on life, the universe, and everything?

where do u think we should be lynching today?

[the worst]

duckling what are your thoughts on life, the universe, and everything?

life is long (but fun mostly)... the universe is infinite, and skitter30's avatar is but a mere speck in the bigger picture. as for everything, I couldn't pretend to understand that. I'm but a duck and there's so much stoof out there. I feel a bit deflated and profound atm. hoping my muse returns.

where do u think we should be lynching today?

Enigma.

[Alonzo]

VOTE: Alonzo

Dogshit

my reads are also dogshit. Lets talk.

[skitter30]

duckling what are your thoughts on life, the universe, and everything?

life is long (but fun mostly)... the universe is infinite, and skitter30's avatar is but a mere speck in the bigger picture. as for everything, I couldn't pretend to understand that. I'm but a duck and there's so much stoof out there. I feel a bit deflated and profound atm. hoping my muse returns.

where do u think we should be lynching today?

Enigma.

i was expecting pithy but profound and ponderous works too

ok i'll actually do the iso hting now

[Alonzo]

skitter yours is the only iso I 'v not read, will i find you swimming upstream or going with the flow?

[ruru]

VOTE: bujaber

[the worst]

i was expecting pithy but profound and ponderous works too

#greatposting

[ruru]

VOTE: the worst