Mini 2036: Charging Up! - Game Over

[lane0168]

you're misinterpreting guiltylion use of the word "interest" when he says "not sure why it caught interest".

That may be true. But I don't know how you're interpreting it

[theslimer3]

That serious vote could just be pressure though

[lane0168]

That serious vote could just be pressure though

Could be, but it wasn't

[BNL]

Gamma Emerald

replaces

TheHolySpirit

[BNL]

VC 1.4

RadiantCowbells (2): Not_Mafia, Vaxkiller
lane0168 (2): northsidegal, the worst
Porkens (2): theslimer3, Lady Angel
ManateeDude (2): Kokichi Oma, lane0168
northsidegal (1): RadiantCowbells
Vaxkiller (1): GuiltyLion
theslimer3 (1): ManateeDude

Not Voting (2): TheHolySpirit, Porkens

With 13 players alive it takes 7 to lynch

The deadline is 17 October 11:30am UTC-4, or in (expired on 2018-10-17 11:30:00)

Mod notes:
Gamma Emerald replaces TheHolySpirit. Please welcome him!

[GuiltyLion]

okay so let's drill into this Manatee/Lane thing a bit

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

in my view, slimer's original comment was nothing more than a joke and NAI. but I can easily imagine how someone else may not see it as just a joke and could have inferred some weird/unnecessary shade in it. I don't agree with that read, I don't immediately share Manatee's suspicion, but I can understand it so I also don't see it as disingenuous, especially for a page 1 read/vote. And that's entirely the level of thought I feel is necessary to evaluate the whole thing. I have a plausible town explanation for Manatee's behavior, no solid reason to prefer an alternative scum!explanation, and therefore it's not worth diving into further.

You can't seem to imagine this relatively simple town!Manatee explanation for his vote and that's more concerning to me. How much can Manatee really offer beyond what he's said already? He thought the shade that he saw in that post was weird so he voted it. What more would you expect him to explain? Yours doesn't feel like a productive line of questioning, it looks more like busy work to start conflicts and get a foot in the game. Maybe in the abstract, "are weird posts scummy?" is a good question for the Mafia Discussion board, but if you want to dive that deep into every single vote or claim that anyone makes you're going to rapidly lose sight of the bigger picture and create a bunch of tangential arguments that only become noise in the thread.

And what also looks bad is how you're strawmanning me here - I have never suggested that "the reasons for people's cases" don't matter to me. But Manatee's vote was a) not nearly at the level I would call a 'case', and b) already sufficiently explained for what it was

[the worst]

UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

oh ok
what are you doing?

[the worst]

spice

luv u nm

[GuiltyLion]

The significance remains to be seen. But the reason it needs to be acknowledged is because they are different game states. Different mind sets. I find it odd to take anything seriously pregame, and hard to take anything seriously in RVS. They are different. To ignore that would not be considering all possibilities.

I don't think you totally engaged with the spirit of my question, but I guess I can see your point. But here's my follow-up to get into the nitty gritty instead of handwaving about "mindset" and what to "take seriously": If a metadive found that town!Manatee always overreacts to RVS jokes, whereas scum!Manatee never does, would that really not apply here because it was a "pregame" joke instead of an RVS joke?

[the worst]

ASD of Pregame MMAHABDH (Manatee's meta and his alignment being discussed here) is typically around 74.567 MUBS (Made Up Bull Shit)
ASD of RVS MMAHABDH is around 75.973 MUBS

So there is some significance, but lets wait until AGBAMWPF (After game bitching an moaning while pointing fingers) to see how significant.

luv u vaxk
(i'm trying not to audibly laugh at work rn)

[the worst]

don't form reads very fast. So yeah, that was the thing that stuck out the most to me so far. How can you even call out "Lurkers" before there's 24 hours passed?

Probably not the most scummy thing ever but I have nothing else right now.

wolfy

[the worst]

I'm not even caught up yet but why hasn't manatee been lynched yet.

luv u kokichi

[the worst]

GL Vaxk Porkens all town in varying levels of towniness

LAngle is scum
Lane is drunk and/or scum

[GuiltyLion]

also Lane I made a serious vote on Vax and you didn't ask me about it at all

[lane0168]

okay so let's drill into this Manatee/Lane thing a bit

When someone votes seriously, I'm interested. You don't have to be. But I want to know what he means. He doesn't want to explain it. Can you explain it? If not, does it matter to you the reasons for people's cases? If not, why not?

in my view, slimer's original comment was nothing more than a joke and NAI. but I can easily imagine how someone else may not see it as just a joke and could have inferred some weird/unnecessary shade in it. I don't agree with that read, I don't immediately share Manatee's suspicion, but I can understand it so I also don't see it as disingenuous, especially for a page 1 read/vote. And that's entirely the level of thought I feel is necessary to evaluate the whole thing. I have a plausible town explanation for Manatee's behavior, no solid reason to prefer an alternative scum!explanation, and therefore it's not worth diving into further.

You can't seem to imagine this relatively simple town!Manatee explanation for his vote and that's more concerning to me. How much can Manatee really offer beyond what he's said already? He thought the shade that he saw in that post was weird so he voted it. What more would you expect him to explain? Yours doesn't feel like a productive line of questioning, it looks more like busy work to start conflicts and get a foot in the game. Maybe in the abstract, "are weird posts scummy?" is a good question for the Mafia Discussion board, but if you want to dive that deep into every single vote or claim that anyone makes you're going to rapidly lose sight of the bigger picture and create a bunch of tangential arguments that only become noise in the thread.

And what also looks bad is how you're strawmanning me here - I have never suggested that "the reasons for people's cases" don't matter to me. But Manatee's vote was a) not nearly at the level I would call a 'case', and b) already sufficiently explained for what it was

You just answered my questions... To you, my interest in the situation was scummy. I wanted to figure out how/why you were disinterested. I asked you about it. And you just now answered.

I can imagine it coming from town or scum, that is why I asked about it. I had questions. I wanted them answered. If I couldn't imagine them coming from town, my questions would've been paired with a vote. A vote that came later after manatee wouldnt acknowledge the questions. And were ultimately explained away as a misunderstanding. Which can come from town or scum, but doesnt pass the smell test.

I can see scum latching on to something pregame to insert THEMselves into the game immediately.

Again, I'm not offended if you didn't feel the need to dive into it, but I did. And I'm not exactly satisfied with the "so I'm being wagoned for a misunderstanding" bit. Not much of a wagon, and there wouldn't be one at all if he just answered the questions. I can't say for certain there wouldn't be I guess, but not answering was the biggest reason for voting him.

[lane0168]

The significance remains to be seen. But the reason it needs to be acknowledged is because they are different game states. Different mind sets. I find it odd to take anything seriously pregame, and hard to take anything seriously in RVS. They are different. To ignore that would not be considering all possibilities.

I don't think you totally engaged with the spirit of my question, but I guess I can see your point. But here's my follow-up to get into the nitty gritty instead of handwaving about "mindset" and what to "take seriously": If a metadive found that town!Manatee always overreacts to RVS jokes, whereas scum!Manatee never does, would that really not apply here because it was a "pregame" joke instead of an RVS joke?

It would apply, but I wouldnt ignore the difference between pregame and have start. Picking something out of pregame doesnt seem town motivated to me

[lane0168]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

ez

the worst I'm not scum this time! RC I'm still not scum this time!

I was supposed to take this as serious? Cause in that case yeah I'm definitely interested in hearing about it. It didn't and doesnt strike me as serious.

[lane0168]

UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

oh ok
what are you doing?

At the time of that post? Trying to get manatee to answer me. Right now? Trying to understand where people are coming from

[the worst]

UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

oh ok
what are you doing?

At the time of that post? Trying to get manatee to answer me. Right now? Trying to understand where people are coming from

oh ok
how's that working out for you?

[theslimer3]

That serious vote could just be pressure though

What makes you so sure though?

[theslimer3]

That serious vote could just be pressure though

Could be, but it wasn't

Misquote

[lane0168]

so im literally being wagoned b/c of an early game misunderstanding?

That serious vote could just be pressure though

Could be, but it wasn't

Misquote

He said was a misunderstanding.

[lane0168]

UNVOTE: radiantcowbells

Why the unvote?

Because Im not trying to lynch rc right now.

oh ok
what are you doing?

At the time of that post? Trying to get manatee to answer me. Right now? Trying to understand where people are coming from

oh ok
how's that working out for you?

Fine, thanks

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey NSG

You have two choices

1) Prove that you're town in the next 24 hours. Upon doing so you have my vote to lynch whoever you scumread and I'll help you get other votes

2) I lynch you.

[northsidegal]

sure, here's the notes file i started for this game. there isn't really much there besides a random thought that i had recently, but i think the speed of my response here still says something.

Mini 2036 - Charging Up!


NUCLEAR TAKE: 3 SCUM OUT OF 5 IN:
Lady Angel
lane0168
TheHolySpirit
Porkens
RadiantCowbells

LOOK AT THIS POST GAME


Kokichi's asking why manatee hasn't been lynched yet rubs me the wrong way. I know I caught him for being scum in pokemon go for not actually having any real reads and just doing the wolfy pop ins, but this could be the exact same thing where he's just chosen a lynchbait-y player to do a fake strength push on.

not sure if that does it or not for you.