Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[BuJaber]

oh, so in other news, we have different options today and I'm not sure which is best:
1. massclaim
2. no lynch, massclaim tomorrow
3. lynch, massclaim tomorrow (if green)

I'm not sure if #3 is that good actually

I tentatively like #1 I think?

Massclaim tomorrow.
Creature was NK meaning scum will likely NK based on hypo-innos next. If any investigatives exist they should be given one more day to get results. And since it doesn't look like we have vig/bg one investigative is guaranteed.

are you in favor of #2 or #3?

I think #2.
It gives us a pretty good chance of PR(s) living through the night and tomorrow we'd be an odd number.

@skitter and performer ^ those are my reasons. Basically to increase the odds of a PR getting results one more day. If they do it should be enough to solve the game. And then we'd start tomorrow with an odd number.

@enigma - you over elephant because my scumread on you is longer and rooted in more information. Elephant has been talking and engaging with people and reacting to current stuff real time. He is sortable. I don't see myself realistically changing my mind on you without a confirmed inno. With my scumpool, my hypo-innos and my PoE the optimal lynch order is you > elephant.

[BuJaber]

@Performed you should read this day fully as a minimum.

[Enigma]

Massclaim tomorrow.
Creature was NK meaning scum will likely NK based on hypo-innos next. If any investigatives exist they should be given one more day to get results.

And since it doesn't look like we have vig/bg one investigative is guaranteed.

We have a minimum of two confirmed TPRs. One was IC. We know there is at least one within {goon cop, rb, tracker}, if we make deductions based on night actions no bg or vig. This does not mean that we have at least one investigative guaranteed (unless you know scum took mods, in which case there is at least 2 TPRs existing).

Am I reading too much into this?

- Goon Cop
- Roleblocker
- Tracker

- Bodyguard

- Vigilante

- Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

[Enigma]

Hi, so imo NL and mass claim tomorrow might not be such a bad idea since we have to do it eventually.

We are 8 rn: 6 town 2 scum.
If we mislynch, we become 4 town 2 scum where the optimal play is nl d4 as it is mylo. NL today is better than tomorrow as better opportunities for tpr tonight.

Which is actually kinda what BuJ said, but I needed to think about it myself

[BuJaber]

Massclaim tomorrow.
Creature was NK meaning scum will likely NK based on hypo-innos next. If any investigatives exist they should be given one more day to get results.

And since it doesn't look like we have vig/bg one investigative is guaranteed.

We have a minimum of two confirmed TPRs. One was IC. We know there is at least one within {goon cop, rb, tracker}, if we make deductions based on night actions no bg or vig. This does not mean that we have at least one investigative guaranteed (unless you know scum took mods, in which case there is at least 2 TPRs existing).

Am I reading too much into this?

- Goon Cop
- Roleblocker
- Tracker

- Bodyguard

- Vigilante

- Innocent Child (reveal at start of day one)

If we have one between {goon cop, roleblocker, tracker} then we do have one investigative. Roleblocker works like an investigative once we're down to 1 scum and can be used to confirm roles (potential inno) or stop a kill (which is a guilty barring some No-killing WIFOM from scum) when there are 2 scum.

[Enigma]

Ok nvm I had a brain fart. Do you think I’m scum with elephant?

[BuJaber]

I haven't eliminated the possibility.

I could see him bussing for some quick towncred since he repped into a shady slot.

But I think it's more likely only one of you is scum. I am more confident in that than in both being scum, and I need to see who flips scum before nailing down the team. Especially if it's a traitor flip then the associations are only going to be informed one way.

[Irrelephant11]

@skitter I actually agree about partner-reading, so my bad
It just so happens that potential-traitor-Tw really hinted that he was Buj’s partner, and he also followed BuJ’s in-thread advice

Also ruru is a potnential traitor from early game weirdness, and she’s being more defensive on enigma’s behalf than I think he deserves

So those are the pairings I find likely if I assume there’s a traitor
If there isn’t one I could mayyybe see Enigma/BuJ
But the way everyone including us three has a me/Bu/Enigma lynchpool is making it less likely they’re both scum

[Korina]

Alright, I'm up now, working on my thoughts of the last several pages + reads.

[ruru]

massclaim today might seem mechanically stupid but I have good reasons for it

[skitter30]

@skitter and performer ^ those are my reasons. Basically to increase the odds of a PR getting results one more day. If they do it should be enough to solve the game. And then we'd start tomorrow with an odd number.

i guess i just don't super see the point of no-lynching when there's 8 alive people rn

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Also ruru is a potnential traitor from early game weirdness, and she’s being more defensive on enigma’s behalf than I think he deserves

i guess i'm not following why you're going to ruru/enigma and not to me/enigma

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 3.7

Alonzo (0):

Performer (0):

ruru (1):

Performer

BuJaber (0):

Enigma (0):

Irrelephant11 (1):

ruru

skitter30 (0):

Korina (0):

No Kill (1):

BuJaber

Not Voting (5):

Alonzo, Enigma, skitter30, Korina, Irrelephant11

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to kill.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2018-10-16 07:30:00)

Other:

- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays

[skitter30]

can we make a decision wrt massclaim and no-lynch??

i feel like the game is kinda stalling at this point; i think we either need to commit to working on a lynch or on the massclaim

i'm cool with massclaim.

[skitter30]

Alright, I'm up now, working on my thoughts of the last several pages + reads.

is this happening ... ?

[skitter30]

bujaber, part of what i think is bothering me about your play this game is that you seem very very passive?

like you're just kinda around but i don't get major gamesolving vibes from you if that makes sense?

[BuJaber]

I would agree but I think it's because of the hypo-innos.

Everyone if PR wants to avoid the NK
Everyone if VT wants to eat the NK.

That means with the hypo-innos people can't actually fully share their thoughts. You have to kinda take every scumpool with a grain of salt.

You can't even force someone to give away too much info in fear that they will VT/PR spew.

That's why either increase the odds of PR living til romorrow, or massclaim and let's move on to genuine solving.

[BuJaber]

I'd much rather have PRs living one more night so I'm strongly favoring no massclaim no lynch

[ruru]

just claim please.

I vote bujaber > irrel > enigma > alonzo > korina > skitter

[ruru]

I'm actually not sure if no lynch is a thing even if we know there's no vig/roleblocker, considering the possibility of scum shooting traitor?

[Alonzo]

Not indifferent, just had a hectic schedule this weekend, bit quieter now.

[skitter30]

just claim please.

I vote bujaber > irrel > enigma > alonzo > korina > skitter

i'm fine with this, with ruru between korina and me

[BuJaber]

Ruru before korina

[BuJaber]

If everyone checks in and agrees.

I still say massclaim tomorrow

[Enigma]

Fine with mass claim, I prefer ruru later in the claim line.

Can we put tw/performer either before/after me? Something like this?
bujaber > irrel > enigma > performer > alonzo > korina > ruru > skitter

[Irrelephant11]

@skitter and performer ^ those are my reasons. Basically to increase the odds of a PR getting results one more day. If they do it should be enough to solve the game. And then we'd start tomorrow with an odd number.

i guess i just don't super see the point of no-lynching when there's 8 alive people rn

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Also ruru is a potnential traitor from early game weirdness, and she’s being more defensive on enigma’s behalf than I think he deserves

i guess i'm not following why you're going to ruru/enigma and not to me/enigma

Hey guys I'm traitor no shoot pls

VOTE: Almost50

Is there a reason you think I should be traitor-reading you instead? You've both acknowledged you could be wrong about enigma but if one of you is scum with him I'm not townreading ruru nearly as much as I am you

just claim please.

I vote bujaber > irrel > enigma > alonzo > korina > skitter

i'm fine with this, with ruru between korina and me

Fine with mass claim, I prefer ruru later in the claim line.

Can we put tw/performer either before/after me? Something like this?
bujaber > irrel > enigma > performer > alonzo > korina > ruru > skitter

This final list is fine with me, though I would personally switch enigma and bujaber, but also probably at this rate me/buj/enigma should be ignored when it comes to making this order.