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[Flubbernugget]

I guess more specifically, why is that tone strong enough that you don't seem to have much concern over me finding their motivations to be dubious?

[Toranaga]

I think everyone is a potato who can't read people until they prove me otherwise

but sure, why are you concerned his motivations are dubious? I'm all ears

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Gamma has grown to like me
funny enough his reaction to me in our first game was much like Guerilla's

That’s why I made the comment about his method not working: I saw past!me in what he was doing.

So I started my reread
This was a misattribution on my part: I mis attributed something Tommy said as something GuerillaWoo said
Also the rubric I’m using here is Flubber and Alchemist are not getting reset in my reads, everyone else is (though it’s closer to a refresh than a reset)
I think Saudade’s posting up to this point is towny
Don’t like GW’s posting
Everyone else I haven’t noted anything that made me think one way or another, at least enough to be worth commenting on

[Toranaga]

VOTE: wilky

I like gamma's last post

[Flubbernugget]

but sure, why are you concerned his motivations are dubious? I'm all ears

He was on the mislynch wagon and the one that brought me to claim (I started from my claim immediately building a pool from within there that I wanted lynches in).

He is having a lot of trouble formulating a read on wilky, who has enough content that there is no need to be fence sitting on their alignment

[Gamma Emerald]

1) he brought it up in response to my misreading of your posts
2) you two clearly have a lingering dispute
3) I honestly just see this as him being unwilling to admit to a mistake

I'm not scumreading him but I'm not town reading him anymore tbh

Ohkay this is gross Garciaing
Alch doesn’t get called out because his was obv jokey de-escalation

[Gamma Emerald]

Doughboy seems townie.

VOTE: Saudade

Yeah no this is coasting at its finest

[Gamma Emerald]

What is this “we?” You’re not putting your vote where your mouth is, which is what I kinda expected.

Your response to Gamma’s vote on Dva was to agree with the wagon, then throw shade on a ton of other slots and vote none of them. I thought it was scummy because it looked like you were just paying lip service to the wagon without actually wanting to be on it, and that post right there proves it.

Guerilla is scum.

VOTE: GuerillaWoo

Yeah I think a GW-Wilky team makes sense
GW acts all hype for the DVa wagon but doesn’t contribute shit, and he also shaded all those other people

[Gamma Emerald]

I only have one vote, and it's Tommy, for reasons I've already explained. Go read them over peasant

Side thing
Saudade using the word peasant kinda salts me, like with his tone it feels so facetious

[Ausuka]

Creature replaces EzekelRAGE.

[Tommy]

Catch-up to follow, but this is important enough that it gets a post of its own. Can everyone who isn't voting for Gamma Emerald please take a look at this:

While he’s suspicious, I don’t he’s been pushing scum agenda like I’m used to from scum!Flubber

Gamma Emerald, can you link to an example of Flubbernugget pushing an agenda as scum?

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=69502
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A few Flubbernugget scumgames
The statement I made is a bit gut-based but I feel like I am right with it

So Gamma, can you pick whichever one of those games illustrates your point best and tell me what agenda Flubbernugget was pushing in that game?

Not really? As I said, kinda a gut analysis. How about you look at them and tell me if you disagree that the games look different?

Now, I respect gut reads. Sometimes you have an impression of someone's play that's hard to put your finger on, but your overall idea is still a decent guide that helps you sort them. Examples of good gut reads might be "I think her posts feel insincere" or "He doesn't seem to be trying to scum-hunt". Pushing an agenda, on the other hand, seems to me a very specific claim. I mean, that's what an agenda is, right? If you get the impression that someone is trying to achieve a certain goal, you ought to be able to point to examples of where.

The reason Gamma Emerald can't point to such examples is that he made up his reason for town-reading Flubbernugget.

[Tommy]

Welcome Creature! You're pretty much confirmed town for me. But not for anyone else as far as I can tell.

nice to see you dodging actually doing any analysis

I will look at those Flubbernugget games and I thank you for pulling them together for me. But since I don't intend to lynch a claimed doctor today, I'm more interested at the moment in what your Flubber read tells me about you.

@flubber assuming you are town would scum partners be on both mislynch wagons? D1 me and Guerilla were both on wagon and d2 we were both on you.

Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I'm not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool; you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Ohkay this is gross Garciaing

What?

Think we're here:

• Gamma Emerald - Tommy, GuerillaWoo
  Tommy - Alchemist21, Gamma Emerald
  Toranaga - wilky
  wilky - Saudade, Flubbernugget, Toranaga
  Not Voting - EzekelRAGE

[Ausuka]

Votecount 2.4

wilky (3) - Saudade, Flubbernugget, Toranaga
Gamma Emerald (2) - Tommy, GuerillaWoo
Tommy (2) - Alchemist21, Gamma Emerald
Toranaga (1) - wilky

Not Voting (1) - Creature

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2018-10-12 13:11:57).

[Gamma Emerald]

Garciaing is answering questions not directed at you, and it’s a scumtell (idk exactly why but I’ve done it plenty of times so I think it’s a good tell).

[Saudade]

I only have one vote, and it's Tommy, for reasons I've already explained. Go read them over peasant

Side thing
Saudade using the word peasant kinda salts me, like with his tone it feels so facetious

[GuerillaWoo]

1) he brought it up in response to my misreading of your posts
2) you two clearly have a lingering dispute
3) I honestly just see this as him being unwilling to admit to a mistake

I'm not scumreading him but I'm not town reading him anymore tbh

Ohkay this is gross Garciaing
Alch doesn’t get called out because his was obv jokey de-escalation

Will you ever stop sniffing his butt or what


Still not seeing you labeling your readlists properly. Wanna talk about that? About how you sheeped alchie but didn't actually understand his accusation so you accused me of being scum for improper post labeling?

[Gamma Emerald]

1) he brought it up in response to my misreading of your posts
2) you two clearly have a lingering dispute
3) I honestly just see this as him being unwilling to admit to a mistake

I'm not scumreading him but I'm not town reading him anymore tbh

Ohkay this is gross Garciaing
Alch doesn’t get called out because his was obv jokey de-escalation

Will you ever stop sniffing his butt or what


Still not seeing you labeling your readlists properly. Wanna talk about that? About how you sheeped alchie but didn't actually understand his accusation so you accused me of being scum for improper post labeling?

Do I have to post “OMFG THIS IS A READLIST”? No. When I posted a readlist I formatted it properly so it came across clearly. If YOU can’t tell that, that’s YOUR problem, not mine.

[GuerillaWoo]

1) he brought it up in response to my misreading of your posts
2) you two clearly have a lingering dispute
3) I honestly just see this as him being unwilling to admit to a mistake

I'm not scumreading him but I'm not town reading him anymore tbh

Ohkay this is gross Garciaing
Alch doesn’t get called out because his was obv jokey de-escalation

Will you ever stop sniffing his butt or what


Still not seeing you labeling your readlists properly. Wanna talk about that? About how you sheeped alchie but didn't actually understand his accusation so you accused me of being scum for improper post labeling?

Do I have to post “OMFG THIS IS A READLIST”? No. When I posted a readlist I formatted it properly so it came across clearly. If YOU can’t tell that, that’s YOUR problem, not mine.

O shit r u rly this dumb

[GuerillaWoo]

Ok
Still think it’s pretty shady
Like why wouldn’t you state it was a read list in the post?

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok
Still think it’s pretty shady
Like why wouldn’t you state it was a read list in the post?

You write a massive wall with some reads sprinkled in with no preface to it
I made an individual post that was just reads
Try harder scum.

[GuerillaWoo]

Lol yeah remember how you didn't actually read it and told me it wasn't a readlist cuz it had no town reads but it did

Are you actually going to try to at least look like you're scumhunting or is your scumgame always this easy

OMGUS harder

[Gamma Emerald]

Lol yeah remember how you didn't actually read it and told me it wasn't a readlist cuz it had no town reads but it did

Are you actually going to try to at least look like you're scumhunting or is your scumgame always this easy

OMGUS harder

LOL what OMGUS
I've reset my reads for the most part, and as of where I'm at rereading you haven't pushed me
so keep pushing BS

[GuerillaWoo]

Mmhmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah that's a good wagon. Ditto LTVN or even Doughboy. Although I think DB's being a little confident if he's scum, but I dunno I also feel like Alchemist could easily be faking his good will.

Same with Saudade, although coming in to push someone without engaging me and deferring people off my wagon makes me think he's more anti-town than scum looking for an easy lynch.

I like Tommy's vibe though, don't think our focus should go there.

The post is all reads, all admit that, but it's horribly mis-communicated. When I posted mine it was (imo, apparently no one else can do simple reading) very clear that the post was constructed to convey reads

Townreads in Alch and Flubber
Townleans on Ezekiel and Wilky

Everyone else is a suspect rn

See how I put each tier on its own line? THAT is how you make your reads clear. You can also make it a line break for each player. Posting in paragraph form is NOT clear. GW continually hiding behind this is scummy imo.

[GuerillaWoo]

Dude I don't think you realize I don't give a shit whether you label your posts or not. I just wanted to see how you'd react when you're accused of making shallow reads. Your defensiveness speaks volumes here.

I'm not hiding behind anything. I literally brought it up. Projecting much