What's to explain, my friend? I said I TR everyone with the exception of Antihero/ManWithNoName/FrankJaeger/Gamma Emerald. Given we have 3 scums over all it follows each of my suspects is 75% likely to flip scum. 3 out of these 4 are the scum team IMHO.
I am liking a50's reads as he was right about MWNM/NM/ceejay, as well as the read on my predecessor.
He put up that antihero/bujab & frank/irrelephant could be the scum team. If that's true though - then irrelephant is voting bujaber in a bussing situation, rn. Interesting.
I’m an informed Miller who knows there isn’t any Loyal modifiers and there is a total of 4 scum.
-Morality
I'm easily the best person in the game at mechanics. I don't presume to be the best at anything else.
bujaber is regularly a highposter as town and even excluding the replacement and v/la timings his posts per day are just lower than expected and it feels like he's not really doing much
despite this, other people who also weren't doing much (gamma/enigma) had much more shade thrown on them which makes me think it's a scum agenda thing.
oh, and I guess gamma also attempted to cfd bujaber d1 so there's that
Took a long time for y'all to see it. VOTE: gamma
L-1
this is a scummy post
the bolded doesn't sound like town talking to a scumread
In post 2148, BuJaber wrote:I feel like tw should be easier to townread by now. I'm getting paranoid because imo his strength lies in knowing how to not appear scummy moreso than trying to look townie. That's my impression from giyga's curse. He won because people didn't really have a reason to suspect him.
this feels like an over-acted response, he had also called enigma a policy lynch iirc and enigma's post isn't scummy at all
it reminds me of some of the fake scumhunting I did as scum where I just threw shade on things in a way that isn't useful to sorting people
Yea, I actually do agree. I'm not really getting the same vibes as Jungle Republic for example, I feel like he's more aggressive as scum, and willing to throw more shade than what I've really seen so far.
I'm planning on ISO diving him later however.
In post 2350, BuJaber wrote:The only thing I'm sure of here is that skitter and Vex are town. But korina has since really dropped his posting and enthusiasm which is meh but like I really don't think he can pull of the townspamming as scum. Particularly the parts where he's so sure he's on par with creature on the NK-attractiveness scale.
I mean, you were in FFB with me. You have a pretty good idea of what my scum-meta really is.
Very short, (awkward) posts, mostly lurking, etc.
Contrast that with my town play, which is literally the exact opposite thing, (at least in terms of activity, and length of posts).
Another thing I saw when looking through my scum-games (for another game), I realized that I ignore my partners. In FFB, I ignored all of Lovebird's posts. I didn't address her at all.
In NOIR, I acknowledged that NM existed, however, that was one post and I didn't reply to any of his other posts nor did I reply to MD's posts.
Also, if you're gonna try to say "what if I didn't know that" or "well I still could be groupscum":
1) I actually didn't realize that before looking at it for another game. If I did, I would've said that.
2) I did reply to Ceejay, however, I can't really address a lurking slot.
In post 2372, ruru wrote:oh, so in other news, we have different options today and I'm not sure which is best:
1. massclaim
2. no lynch, massclaim tomorrow
3. lynch, massclaim tomorrow (if green)
I'm not sure if #3 is that good actually
I tentatively like #1 I think?
Why do you like #1?
I'm personally fine with #2.
In post 2373, ruru wrote:like it's possible there are too many innos on lynchable players for us to effectively play the game today and that
plus a few other things are making me interested in just massclaiming today
How are you getting there? I'm kinda seeing it, but not fully.
In post 2423, the worst wrote:I am not used to seeing the quality of your posting and reads GO DOWN in later day phases. in my experience you've been like a beacon of lucidity; you're meant to make sense when other people don't. (yes, from both scumming against you and sky's jester game to an extent)
You've dropped back to tunnelling and shitposting. You can't keep a stable vote. When asked to explain your reads you squirm.
What's up with you here?
Ngl, I actually agree with this post in general, (the later part at least). I'm not sure how I'm counting this in general, but, it's certainly something to keep note of.
In post 2426, the worst wrote:I don't trust korina because I can't think the way he thinks which always leaves me like "this is a wolf right" and after noir I find it really hard to back down from this.
This is a post I generally wanted to reply to, @tw, if you're still reading the game, I don't mind discussing why you find my thought process scummy, but, I actually agree with this. I've had several others tell me before (namely in IRL games) that my thought process is so weirdly different, that it's hard to think how I do.
In post 2438, the worst wrote:i am very angery with myself for survivalistically hammering gamma right now
day two of this game was really fucking stupid. enigma is a wolf.
i'm sorry but opening the game with "intent to shitpost and grab pagetops" is not towny. it's not tonally towny, it's not laissez-faire, it's not carefree, it's an excuse to prodge. it is dead null at most.
first game related comment I can see (barring setup spec bc he said nothing noteworthy during it) is:
In post 78, ruru wrote:Suppose you're a scum at L1 and you have to decide what to claim, you have information that town will probably believe n+1 PRs existing, so you claim PR
a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed by
In post 87, ruru wrote:If scum really claimed pr every time then town could just confirm themselves by claiming vt
Hypothetically yes, but unfortunately town has a tendency to lynch VTs claims and let TPRs get off...
Another thing is that there is very little defence once a TPR is outed in this set up. No docs, watchers, JKs, etc. Bodyguard is less than ideal - i.e. very little to discourage scum NKing TPRs if they CC.
Why wouldn't scum just fake claim regardless of our discussion, claiming VT doesn't really help them out at L-1 anyways so at least could just take their chances with a CC bait or potentially get away with it?
a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed by
asking someone to explain their read on the player who he's traitor fishing.
like this is literally either "shitposting w ruru bc ruru is funny" or it's a wolf who smells a traitor and is excited.
someone else please tell me if you feel another motivation to his game entrance here. i know it's page 4 but like game mindsets have a tendency to spew a lot about where a person's at entering the thread so if someone wants to work thru what's going on here without being like "but the woooorst it's only page foooour" i'd be super happy ♥♥
I actually do agree with this post from TW. I'm not sure I would call Enigma as being scum solely on this post, however, I do agree that Enigma trying to take the pagetops isn't particularly helpful.
In post 18, Vex Vience wrote:im assuming that creature just gets obvtowned early on?
If he steals ma page tops, ima lynch him
pretty funny my pred gets flak for this but Engima gets away with it
whatever i'm just being salty. other important part of his entrance is incoming:
In post 41, Enigma wrote:Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.
What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.
thanks to vex during setup spec for providing hard figures; not a lot to read into but i'm tryna follow his mindset as below so worth throwing in
In post 37, Almost50 wrote:Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.
yeah i agree overall
Even considering that he’s an alt?
there's...not really a reason to shade the fact Vex exists here fmpov?
like the fact he's an alt doesn't really inform my read of vex come p4. the only thing it does for me (knowing he's korina) is suggests i'm prolly gonna reach a net wolfread because i don't know how to get into his head.
the shade throw is wonky. but let's be positive and treat it as a #staywoke moment.
responses incoming
Spoiler:
In post 46, skitter30 wrote:i don't know who he's an alt of, but i think his mindset has been pro-town for this stage of the game
In post 73, Vex Vience wrote:also enigma are u just generally against alts?
im getting that feeling from u
Nah doesn't bother me so much, meta only takes you so far when scumhunting
In post 67, ruru wrote:I think it's like actively antitown because it informs scum's decision of what to claim
Whilst I don't think its super productive, agree with Vex its fine to boot us out of RVS. I wouldn't say its helping scum unless people are literally softclaiming their TPRs, in which case helping scum CC is the least of our worries...
is fine talking w Vex basically 100% NAI interaction with no intent of sorting, and then
i'm not really vibing that town!igma added the "what if he's an alt!" shade into the Vex conversation and then lolvotes him about 50 posts later. especially when he shows like no active interest in sorting the slot and voteparks this for like a week (ending below)
1. Don't CC any fake claims
2. Vote for who you want to (hypo) vig with hurt tags
3. Hypo cop results tomorrow
UNVOTE:
Waiting a bit
I also agree on this post, the entire "what if he's an alt?" post just feels off. It feels like a cheap attempt at trying to throw suspicion on me followed by a flimsy reasoning to justify that. So what if I do actually have experence in these types of setups? That literally has no over-all effect on how players should be reading me.
It just means that I'd probably be a bit better at the setup than the others, however, that doesn't really change how I'd play, (and therefore get read by the others).
I'm basically sheeping players who are better than me on it not being a towny thing to say
Ehhhhhhhh I really don't like this post. I'm generally fine with sheeping, however, like, if you're just gonna sheep all game, I don't really like it.
This doesn't really affect my ruru read, however, it's something I'd like to point out.
In post 2511, skitter30 wrote:Idk what do you think about tw's repout? I think thats kinda townie fir him tbh
I'm not reaully sure what to make of TW replacing out. On one hand, I'd say that it is somewhat townie, however, on the other, I kinda feel like TW actually got fed up with Ruru and wanted to replace, making it NAI for me.
In post 2528, ruru wrote:and I really think we should just massclaim today
Why's that?
In post 2533, Performer wrote:hey everyone!
Thanks for the welcome, skitter.
I am absolutely not reading 100+ pages.
Things to do:
-figure out why tw voted ruru
-do some ISOs
-prioritize sorting alonzo as he's the only person I know in the 7 other people
Hello person.
In post 2534, Performer wrote:Also, can I get a summary of what's happened so far? That would be great.
Day 1:
- Creature got revealed as IC.
- We discussed setup spec and other things.
- Like half the player list replaced out
- Deadline got extended really far.
- I revealed that I was Vex
- Eventually NM replaced in, and we agreed to lynch him.
- NM flipped Mafia Goon
Day 2:
- A50 died, he flipped VT.
- We continued discussing things.
- I replaced Vex, only to have all games under one account.
- We eventually agreed to lynch Gamma, who flipped VT.
In post 1681, Alonzo wrote:dunno... did it start with B and end in AAAAAA?
(づ￣ ³￣)づ
I kinda skipped half of his posts tbh
looking for someone to tell me if he's actually outside his scumrange or he's just aggressively vomiting wordcount to avoid being read accurately
like I can't be stuffed trying to dig thru his ISO but a lot of his posts are garbo
ok, i havent really ever rolled scum and none of you have played with me irl so really the only source of my meta that is known is myself.
my meta can simply boil down to this:
unless im actively trying to look town and emulate my serious-town meta, my scum-meta is literally lurking
you said that yourself in noir that if i kept lurking, you'd have said that i was lockjaw scum.
me trying to emulate an active town meta as scum is incredibly hard for me only because i naturally wanna lurk out and let the others play the game
as town, i don't wanna do that, i wanna be active and try to be a force that players should deal with.
my serious-town meta (the one im playing to rn), involves me cutting out most of my jester-y nature and playing it with the sole intent of winning, which involves a lot of wall posts or posts where i post a lot of stuff
it involves me posting my thought process as i read through.
does that mean everything will be relevant? no, but its still what im thinking
looking back at forest fire blitz, my posts (to me) felt very empty. they felt like im talking just to talk.
looking at one of my actually relatively good town games, (Sadomafiosochism), sure i joked around at the start, but i played seriously after that calling it as i see it
my biggest point is why would scum!me want to willing post my entire thought process when ik its a lie and if i fuck up, i could give away my partner(s)? that's why i suck at playing informed minorities and why i prefer being town or third party.
its like me gambitting. why would i (as scum) put myself in the spotlight so early when ik (and everyone else knows) that if im scum, and i flip scum, my interactions with everyone else will be scrutinized?
im not a strong scum player, but i am a strong town player.
this is one of my final points on this: if im scum, why would i make a wall towards the ic telling them they should be more active? why wouldnt i want (as scum) the ic to be inactive when i could just as easily get tr'd without making that post versus making it?
also, ftr, i made this account just to prove to myself that i actually am a good fm player if i try
that's the whole point of this account
for me to have a game where i dont get pl'd d1 just because its me
In post 1780, skitter30 wrote:i don't townread anything you want; nothing is happening in the game right now; ruru wants it and i don't have any particular objectsions
i don't believe i ever said the two of you are a team
i've really only stalled out because of the sheer number of replacements
tbh, its kinda making me not wanna play only because by the time i start to actually read someone, they've replaced out, meaning that most of my reads have to get scrapped because the new player plays entirely differently
Took a long time for y'all to see it. VOTE: gamma
L-1
In post 2246, the worst wrote:VOTE: Gamma
is this a wolf? ¯\(°_o)/¯
am I more likely wrong on Gamma than anyone else I'm TRing? d=(´▽｀)=b
do we need this phase to end? ＼（○＾ω＾○）／
In post 2627, Korina wrote:How are you getting there? I'm kinda seeing it, but not fully.
In post 2404, Alonzo wrote:I will make to to RR this whole think over the weekend, RN im not entirely certain of my viewpoint. Have too many townreads.
this post struck me as townie in the moment, although it isn't as strongly in retrospect. i think it's cuz scum can just kinda decide what their viewpoint is, as convenient, and the fact that he admitted to being unsure and that he needs to reconsider kinda indicated to me that he's trying to think about the game and come to actual conclusions and not just going-with-the-flow or doing what's convenient atm
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In post 2624, Irrelephant11 wrote:Also re: ruru/tw team I agree it doesn't seem likely when thought about in depth, but on a skim "You're scum!!" "No, YOUUUU!!!" "NO YOU oh wait you're town" [the end] makes sense on a surface level as something bold scum might do (which I get the impression both these players are: bold)
i feel like the argument was too protracted to be svs
like i said earlier maaaaaaabe traitor v s but i don't think that was an argument between two people who knew the other's alignments
also i don't think ruru is boldscum and i don't think she's confident enough in her scumgame to have an argument like that in realtime
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In post 2627, Korina wrote:How so? I could see Enigma flipping scum, and I could also see Ruru flipping scum, (mainly based on her most recent posting).
ruru i think is just town and i don't think she's flipping scum here and it's hard for me to read other people as her partner (especially people i think are town!) when i can't really imagine her flipping scum either
not because i necessarily scumread them but more because i townread everyone else more
still not super solid on these reads tho
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In post 2638, Alonzo wrote:Skitter can you tell me more about why you SR'd Irrels preds plz
ejji's nm hammer was bad imo
frank: bad tone; bad votes on a50 and gamma early game resulting from a bad readslist; wagon never really took off; bad reaction to korina telling creature to like play the game (ie calling korina's post scummy when it was hilariously obvtown)
idk just read like 677- 681 and the ensuing convo i had with frank within the next couple of pages through maybe like 807 or so
I wasn't impressed with predecessor
But really it was the day 2 stalling we had when Alonzo and Gamma were counterwagons. It makes me thing one of them is scum. So I voted for gamma because Alonzo was my hypo inno.
Elephant do you like phantismo ? Which do you prefer? Or I could call you ele for convenience.
Anyway why the change of attitude? You came in pretty hot and taking some immediate stances some of which were pretty unique like the gamma townread. Now you're somewhat unsure of yourself and sheepy.
why not?