Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[Enigma]

Hello responding to prod. Sorry about lack of activity, time is evaporating with work. Its the weekend finally. Will catchup in next 24h

[ruru]

[skitter30]

what are the odds buj is gonna claim pr next gameday

can you explain why you think this is a thing?

[skitter30]

actually im not really following irrel/ruru's convo on the prior page much at all

[Alonzo]

BuJ you say I have been scummy at times, but you have not called me out on it once or barely interacted with me.

You didn't even react when I voted you.

I'm just getting caught scum Vibes now, and you trying to sow the seeds of confusion

You speculate about me fakeclaiming, And shade me to the others but you're avoiding me completely feels like.

[Irrelephant11]

@skitter what part of it aren't you following? Or how can I help..?
A quick summary I think would be
ruru: the worst's soft PR claim is less scummy in retrospect given how much information he wouldn't have had as traitor, making it riskier to do something like that as traitor
me: I don't think it's as risky as you say it is, but this is at least somewhat true

Spoiler: let me know if this series of posts doesn't answer your question about the BuJ thing

@ele: let's see...
Possible scum teams:

If enigma flips town:
- ruru + you
- ruru + alonzo
- you + alonzo
And by PoE performer with any of {you, ruru, alonzo}
If enigma flips town then ruru dies at night (pretty much confirms alonzo town):
- you + performer

If enigma flips scum:
- you
- ruru
- performer
And alonzo by PoE
If enigma flips scum and ruru dies at night:
- you
- performer


Without getting two mislynches in a row I'm not considering korina.. pretty confident TR there. And skitter is just town.

Possible scum teams:

If enigma flips town:
- ruru + alonzo

What

Buj, what the fuck are you on rn?

Buj, you are saying that literally both of them are lying, and for whatever reason during a massclaim one of the actual TPRs said VT.
Town is guaranteed to have one other TPR at the start of the game, meaning one of {Alonzo, Ruru} is being truthful.
We're pretty sure scum took one modifier, meaning that there'd be 3 TPRs meaning {Alonzo, Ruru} TPRs makes sense.

Not if a townie fake claimed VT. It's dangerous in this setup but there a few people here who if they did that as gc or tracker, will end up winning the game for town because they will never be NK'd and hopefully won't be lynched.

But basically yeah.. more reason to scumread enigma.

And I appreciate your thinking.

But fakeclaiming VT is the opposite. As long as you can avoid getting lynched, the advantages are well worth it.

[skitter30]

eh it's prob on me; i'm feeling a little sick today and like i'm thinking thru fuzz :/ i'll look at it again like tomorrow maybe

the bujaber thing i'm a little confused about because i feel like we're probs lynching him today

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 3.13

Alonzo (0):

Performer (0):

ruru (0):

BuJaber (3):

Irrelephant11, skitter30, Alonzo

(L-2)

Enigma (1):

BuJaber

Irrelephant11 (0):

skitter30 (1):

Performer

Korina (0):

No Kill (0):

Not Voting (3):

Enigma, Korina, ruru

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to kill.
Day 3 ends in (expired on 2018-10-16 07:30:00)

Other:

- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays

[Performer]

off topic:

Baby, it’s a brighter day
Are you just gonna stare at the wall? What’s wrong
Today is Friday, come meet me
Wherever we go, I’ll make you feel better, let’s go together

In our lives
There will be much harder things than this
This might be the beginning
So today, let’s go far away
---------------
I love Kpop! hehe

[Performer]

Enigma upon your return - I want to see reads list and your thoughts on what's transpired.

[ofrhz]

This is now a kpop appreciation thread!

[BuJaber]

BuJ you say I have been scummy at times, but you have not called me out on it once or barely interacted with me.

You didn't even react when I voted you.

I'm just getting caught scum Vibes now, and you trying to sow the seeds of confusion

You speculate about me fakeclaiming, And shade me to the others but you're avoiding me completely feels like.

I don't think you're fakeclaiming. I was asked who would be scum if enigma flips town and in that scenario, if you or ruru do not die at night you would be a suspect. Because one of the VTs could actually be a TPR.

Earlier I hypo inno'd you. Unlike some people who accidentally or (maybe intentionally), I don't push my hypo innos.

[Alonzo]

@performer did you ever give A TLDR on your skitter vote?

[Performer]

Alonzo I did not yet, but I want to see what enigma days before going into it.

[Performer]

Also for all this hypo inno talk, nobody should be heading into d3 not sorting/reevaluating even their trs. That raises all sorts of issues and is suspicious.

[Performer]

This is outrageous. Nothing still from enigma in 24 hrs. That's a classic scum stall tactic if you ask me. Going to post my case , not waiting anymore. Enig and skit can go.

[Performer]

Gamma Emerald (4): Creature, Bujaber, Alonzo, the worst (L-2)

this is an icky wagon

the people i townread are: vex, ruru, enigma, creature
the people i don't are: buj, alonzo, tw, ge, ejji

why has this game stalled .... ?

i have like nothing new to say

sure, let's see what happens if i vote VOTE: alonzo

i still think ejji's (irrel) slot is scum

{creature}
{ruru}
{enigma, vex}
{}-- null
{bujaber, alonzo, gamma, tw}
{you}
{}

i'm unhappy with that bujaber/alonzo/gamma/tw tier but i'm not entirely sure what to do about it

idk what else do you want me to talk about?

enigma is some combo of gut/tone/good timing of posts that i dont' think i can explain better + most of the below-null camp have been pushing him and like none of the above-null camp have been

tw used to be my biggest scumread so i'm making progress; still don't feel like i can confidentally townread him but it isn't nearly strong of a scumread as it has been previously

i don't especially scumread bujaber, but i'm not particularly against wagoning him to see if that'll help move the game out of this complacent/stagnating state tbh; my alonzo vote didn't really accomplish anything

VOTE: bujaber

VOTE COUNT 1.28

Almost50 (0):

HeWhoSwims (1):

Almost50

the worst (1):

Not_Mafia

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

Not_Mafia (7):

the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami

LYNCH

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (2):

HeWhoSwims, BuJaber

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (1):

Gamma Emerald

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-14 16:30:00)

Other

:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- HeWhoSwims still needs to be replaced

i mean in this vc gamma is dead, nm is dead, and a50 is dead (as is creature). everyone alive is either on town!gamma or scum!not_mafia

my best guess is one on not_mafia and one on gamma; i highly highly doubt both partners were off; if both partners were on i think tw is one of them

==

Like why isn't this obvious? @anyone other than ruru, am I being dumb or is it just true that I made a good point and ruru is refusing to accept that?

you're kinda my highest priority to sort right now; i've been trying to since daystart of day2 but ejji flaked and so that didn't really work out

does anyone have a strong read on irrel's slot either way?

i keep swinging to bujaber/irrel

mostly cuz i townread everyone else more

but i'm kinda ??? dubious and uncertain

wrt to enigma i'm kinda losing patience/motivation to keep fighting this

Do u think me/enigma could be svs?

I have been p-edited; im much slower at typing on a phone than on a computer im realizing

Why would you object an enigma wagon??

enigma's posts just feel good tonally

so two scum in {enigma/performer/irrel/bujaber/vex}
going to go here i think for now

VOTE: bujaber

This series of posts is strikingly like scum agenda. Hard defends enigma, uses the same easy-go-to reason to tr me too (tonally). Wanted tw/me, alonzo, buj, irrel dead at various points of ISO. The posts plain point to that - scum agenda. And what do you know, the ones she wants dead are alive (except for GE), and she’s jumped at the opportunity to kill buj.

Compared to enigma’s ISO, buj is townier. Skitter interactions regarding and with enigma & buj, are bizarre too. Something I’ve been contemplating is why would scum buj vote enigma after I reanalyzed enigma’s scummy ISO with a strong push – that doesn’t make sense given the way buj has posted about enigma on other days. I think it’s enigma & skitter.
enigma said At this stage for scum:
Elephant prime candidate. Alonzo/Buj solid maybes.

Korina – buj & irrel, skitter – buj & who else??, buj – irrel & I if not enigma (I don’t think scum would be this bold to be stating sr on irrel & I of all people since irrel & his predec ejinami have been quite town in their interactions…in fact I think he’s saying this because he had me as a 3rd possibility largely due to my predec tw and irrel’s big case on buj).

After a bit of rereading ISOs, I find it very interesting that korina, skitter, and enigma don't sr one another strongly . In fact, I’ve seen multiple times they tr each other while being ok with other people being lynched.

[Performer]

Like I feel there are two distinct blocs with different lynch preferences forming atm.
{Creature, skitter, Korina, ruru, me}
{Elephant, GE, BuJ, tw, Alonzo}

I TR most of the first bloc actually ... just leaving this thought here as I think it would be interesting to look at once we have more flips.

@a50 why wagon sky?

Because it's fun.
And also bc it's good for the game.
Well, it's as good as any other wagon really, but my vote is already there and so is ruru's, so if you want to be our third I'd be obliged. (It's still be L-4 you know, and N_M isn't even in this game if it makes you feel any better)

Someone should replace out so NM can replace in so we can lynch him

Btw, now that this game is over ... viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76766
This has kinda been in my mind the whole game, but couldn't say much as ongoing.

Skitter was one of my strongest TRs in that game, I even doc protected her because I thought she would be prime NK target ... alas she was scum
scum!skitter a force to be reckoned with, and was literally universally townread by everyone and won because town trusted her enough to hammer test her in MYLO

So I haven't really commented on skitter so much, that said I am kinda townreading skitter this game, but I don't trust her or my reads on her hahahha
Hence my earlier comment about I don't really know how to read her with confidence

Still maybe worried about deep wolf skitter (non-goon fue to hypo inno), but suppose now I think the trick is to look out for apathy late game (from her scum PYP X/Y) .. if she is alive then/

[Performer]

Those quotes further my case posted.

[ruru]

I don't think skitter defends her partners more than she has to as scum

she also probably doesn't push me d1 as scum

she hates pushing things she doesn't believe in and she's generally willing to bus

she's also town by postcount in this game

so like skitter+enigma is not a scumteam

[ruru]

After a bit of rereading ISOs, I find it very interesting that korina, skitter, and enigma don't sr one another strongly . In fact, I’ve seen multiple times they tr each other while being ok with other people being lynched.

what does this mean to you?

[Irrelephant11]

@skitter maybe I should have said “what are the odds BuJ PR claims at L-1?”
Probably not very high either way so meh

Agreed that Enigma might be scum, but proooobably not with Enigma based on how oddly and regularly she’s defending him? At least based on the fact that she’s apparently great at scum

@anyone who has me in their scum pile (skitter, BuJ, idk who else) can you please summarize the case? Even if it’s on my preds, I’d like to know what about their play was scummy

[Enigma]

Hello responding from pg 106 over the next few hours, not having read subsequent pages.
Also, no more work travel for next 3 weeks (fingers crossed) so activity should be better

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Ruru claim I believe because I thinks she was crumbing it

massclaim today might seem mechanically stupid but I have good reasons for it

I also don't think Alzono would fake claim rb, and regardless this is something that should be solvable before endgame if he is fake claiming (i.e. not dying).

So scum pool likely within the claimed VTs.

[Enigma]

further explanation - basically he voted a tpr - alonzo, my slot (green), GE (flipped green), didn't have nm (red flip) as scumread from what I skimmed through. That's condemning .

This makes me really wonder about his ISO pattern - if this means irrel/eji & buj/antihero are actually town then, because right now I have buj as an sr. But I'm not super fond of associative hunting as Alonzo knows from that 1 newbie game...so it should be shelved for another day I guess.

1. How would I know Alzono is a tpr, and if I was scum why would I not just nk him? Alzono's early play, plus his predecessor's could hardly be called town. It is literally only after the my post above that I am shifting him from null/scum to town.
2. Don't know if your slot is green
3. Yeh I can't read NM (or his lurker predecessors), sorry not a genius

VOTE: enigmaSo I was trying to find in my ISO and enigma's after I replaced in, why tw tunneled him after I questioned him on that. No answer from him.

If you read my ISO you would also notice that I have no idea why tw was tunnelling me and I'm still not really sure why. Isn't this something you are better placed to answer anyways

e.g.

Duck, I can't really reply to you or really even engage in a discussion of well as most of your explanation is hardly clear. Like I went through your ISO to try and make a response but I really don't know how to respond to the below:
"gutscum"
"guarded feeling"
"pings scummy"
"worded funny"

Let me know if you want me to comment on anything specific.

[ofrhz]

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