In post 1520, Kmd4390 wrote:I have them both as town on play, but am at the point where by PoE one or both of those is probably wrong. Was leaning Aero but he dropped a couple of town tells in the replace out post where he no longer has a win condition to work towards although I realize he could just be trying to help set up the replacement out of etiquette. Basically I expect the lynch comes down to the two of them and I'm not standing in the way. I've been wrong enough this game that I don't have confidence in any reads. One thing that stands out to me is that Saudade and Aero wagons seem to be all town. Why did scum not vote them? Obvious answer is maybe it's as easy as the team is just Aero/Saudade.
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I just read everything else and have nothing to add on it. It's all either spam, stuff that has already been said, or just not relevant.
if you're paranoid about me being scum (really the only person who in this table I think is really "outplaying" if theyre scum that's not oka??) i think meta'ing me pretty clearly shows i'm town at this point
Saudade wrote:Kat why do you townread OkaPoka?
His thought process is super genuine, he's always been taking his own initiative in scumhunting, I like the way he talks to himself in his walls and is always spitballing ideas. If he's scum I'm royally screwing something up in terms of how I'm scumhunting right now
Like there's definitely an argument where Oka is scum here and shot Cheeky because she was starting to doubt him and scum would rather off me so that they fight if they're both town, but that's just NKA and a pretty shitty reason to ignore the rest of his play.
In post 1520, Kmd4390 wrote:I have them both as town on play, but am at the point where by PoE one or both of those is probably wrong. Was leaning Aero but he dropped a couple of town tells in the replace out post where he no longer has a win condition to work towards although I realize he could just be trying to help set up the replacement out of etiquette. Basically I expect the lynch comes down to the two of them and I'm not standing in the way. I've been wrong enough this game that I don't have confidence in any reads. One thing that stands out to me is that Saudade and Aero wagons seem to be all town. Why did scum not vote them? Obvious answer is maybe it's as easy as the team is just Aero/Saudade.
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I just read everything else and have nothing to add on it. It's all either spam, stuff that has already been said, or just not relevant.
why arent u creating content then?
gonna build on this,
Its apparent that you are in a position in which you are doubtful of your reads. You also appear to be unsure of sorting this game. All fair. You seem to be disappointed at recent content generation, so you can't really make a informed decision, still fair.
But you can't just cya, if you don't like how its being played, why aren't you actively trying to change gamestate to develop reads? Ask some questions or whatever. IDK. But rn kinda feels to me that you are just saying yo gamestate sucks but I don't want to do anything about it.
I think scum!Oka comes off more robotic in tone too, just a feeling I get from having a kinship with how I described Gamma. He's definitely in the same vein in terms of Logic vs Feeling but that's not really what I mean by robotic. Like KMD is a "logical" rather than "emotional" player in terms of how he thinks but he never reads robotically as either align.
Tone is definitely not why I'm townreading him though
In post 1520, Kmd4390 wrote:I have them both as town on play, but am at the point where by PoE one or both of those is probably wrong. Was leaning Aero but he dropped a couple of town tells in the replace out post where he no longer has a win condition to work towards although I realize he could just be trying to help set up the replacement out of etiquette. Basically I expect the lynch comes down to the two of them and I'm not standing in the way. I've been wrong enough this game that I don't have confidence in any reads. One thing that stands out to me is that Saudade and Aero wagons seem to be all town. Why did scum not vote them? Obvious answer is maybe it's as easy as the team is just Aero/Saudade.
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I just read everything else and have nothing to add on it. It's all either spam, stuff that has already been said, or just not relevant.
why arent u creating content then?
You quoted what I've got at the moment. Today was busy. I was with family for my grandpa's 70th birthday. I come back and there's like another ten pages. I'm just trying to keep up at the moment.
Saudade wrote:KMD I need you to start posting more than a post per 10 pages
Then quit creating 10 pages every time I'm doing anything other than reading the thread. *shrug*
Oka wrote:But you can't just cya, if you don't like how its being played, why aren't you actively trying to change gamestate to develop reads? Ask some questions or whatever. IDK. But rn kinda feels to me that you are just saying yo gamestate sucks but I don't want to do anything about it.
My only issue with gamestate is that I was wrong on Day 1 and it's too fast paced. I'm reading what Katyusha has to say and it just makes too much sense so I'm basically on board with Aero/Saudade as the most likely team. I mean...what questions do you expect to "improve gamestate"? "Why do you post so much?" lol
KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare
In post 1522, Katyusha wrote:saudade/gamma
kmd/gamma
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kmd/saudade
n_m/gamma
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n_m/oka
oka/gamma
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kmd/oka
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kmd/n_m
saudade/n_m
saudade/oka
sorry for spamming lol, just realized i left out a pretty important team :/
I don't see any reason to disagree with the order of the non-me teams here and that means the most likely team without gamma is Not_Mafia/oka which I don't think is it. So I'm good with a gamma lynch.
KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare
typically when im disappointed with gamestate (almost always), i try an strike up a conversation or write something up and try and create discussion and content. i might not be the best scumhunter, but if i can create content for better players to build off of then my job is done. ask people why they do x idk, everyone has their own style of improving game state.
i post a lot cuz thats just my style. honestly the real champions are people who can post frequently and be in multiple games at once.
pedit: ok so you are pretty ok with gamestate then, right?
Let's start here. What made you think I was disappointed with gamestate? And why does that matter more than who to lynch today?
Oka wrote:pedit: ok so you are pretty ok with gamestate then, right?
*shrug*. I've never really been one to think about gamestate. For me, it's more about reads and action. Who is scum and how can we get them lynched. After you brought it up though, I realized that yeah the amount of posting is a lot to keep up with. That's my biggest gamestate issue.
KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare
I've been wrong enough this game that I don't have confidence in any reads.
-thats what i thought made you disappointed
i think its more important that we are all confident on our scumreads today. compromise lynches are sucky. a bad gamestate is not a good conductor of scumhunting, and if you feel that way then im doing something wrong. my hope with my interaction with saudade was to point out how flawed his reasoning is. i think gamestate opinion and reads go hand in hand, like if you are confident in your reads then you are happy with gamestate, you are unhappy with gamestate if you dont feel confident in your reads. just my pov
speaking of being confident in my reads i kind of want to stop using teams as a crutch but like my read on the aero slot has barely developed beyond d1 and I don't really have a real reason to scumread kmd/saudade beyond poe
like i can definitely point to reasons to townread kmd, i can point to reasons to townread saudade. i absolutely cannot rationalize town!aero beyond his replaceout but that's solely from d1 play/disconnection from thread on his return
which is why i'm glad gamma's in the slot, having something more tangible than poe is always useful and if i'm wrong i'll be able to see it pretty easily I think. im? just not sure why i'd be wrong anymore because i feel like my initial view of the game was just always right and i kind of bent over because i have zero self confidence in myself as a player
Saudade wrote:Where did Gamma go
oooff
now do you see why i'm scumreading him? :/
obviously that's not the only thing but i think that's ai
Oh, ok. I must have been misunderstanding what you meant by gamestate then.
What I mean is I'm not really confident that I've read anyone correctly on their play because I know I've been wrong a lot. I feel pretty good about Gamma's chances of being scum based on vote counts and Katyusha's possible pairs posts.
Oka wrote:my hope with my interaction with saudade was to point out how flawed his reasoning is.
Well that's a given. You and Not_Mafia carry your playstyles from game to game so him saying you are scum together for playstyle reasons obviously isn't selling me. If Not_Mafia had a history of being active and verbose or no history at all, sure, maybe there'd be something to what he's saying. But that's not the case. You guys both play the way you are playing now as both alignments so that's the wrong way to try to read either of you.
KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare
