Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Chickadee]

I submitted the cop on October 12, 7:48pm (Central time)

What are you hoping to get by making me look at time stamps?


Pedit: I specifically didn't check you Elsa because you claimed ascetic.

[Chara]

also, and this is only using Cerb's post as a guide and the fact that Almost isn't giving you any direct flavour information: it sounds like it's unlikely Nico is actually River. otherwise that would be very direct information.

pedit: ascetic is a passive and usually active all the time as a result, Elsa.

[Reasonably Rational]

Still don't really like the reasoning THAT much, but for now I accept it. Personally I'd have checked me yesterday or today, but you do you.

Unless ascetic also stops day abilities, in which case that's very broken. But hey, that'll prove I'm ascetic.

Ascetic generally stops everything, regardless of when the action is submitted.

Maybe this is the time where I should make my standard announce, in a modified form.

*cough*

WE ARE ALL IDIOTS. ALL OF US ARE STUPID. NONE OF US KNOW WHAT THE MODERATOR INTENDED, OR HOW THEY WILL RULE. DO NOT MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT YOUR ROLE. ASK THE MODERATOR EVERY QUESTION YOU CAN ABOUT HOW YOUR ROLE WORKS AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH OTHER ROLES/STANDARD MODIFIERS.

That is all.

-Cerb

[Chara]

that reminds me:
Flicker, can you hammer in LyLo/MyLo?

[Reasonably Rational]

I submitted the cop on October 12, 7:48pm (Central time)

What are you hoping to get by making me look at time stamps?


Pedit: I specifically didn't check you Elsa because you claimed ascetic.

Both cops, Chickadee, and the time of the submission and the result.

And because they're day actions, knowing what occurred around the time the action was submitted/may have swayed you to make that decision is relevant, as well as knowing if any of your behaviors changed after the submission/before the results, after the result was received, etc.

-Cerb

pedit: Flicker already answered, the mod said generally anything that modifiers voting ability is deactivity in LYLO/MYLO, so they can vote in those situations.

[Chickadee]

that reminds me:
Flicker, can you hammer in LyLo/MyLo?

They already answered this. Yes they can.

[Chara]

thanks. i was looking, but i only play on my phone so it's sometimes difficult to find what i'm looking for.

for what it's worth i'm less concerned with specific replies to my posts to Chickadee, now that i'm thinking she's probably town. they coupdn't hurt, though.

[Chickadee]

I'll humor you this time cerb, but chasing time stamps is not how I want to spend this game, and it will absolutely (and is) kill my desire to participate.

I got the Porkens result shortly after submitting (8:26pm that night)

I copped Nico at the beginning of D2. October 15 4:47pm. I got the result October 15, 5:06 pm. Nothing had even happened D2. I was going off leftover info from D1 in choosing Nico.

Pedit: you're telling me Chara.....I'm chasing time stamps on my phone....

[Reasonably Rational]

I'll humor you this time cerb, but chasing time stamps is not how I want to spend this game, and it will absolutely (and is) kill my desire to participate.

I got the Porkens result shortly after submitting (8:26pm that night)

I copped Nico at the beginning of D2. October 15 4:47pm. I got the result October 15, 5:06 pm. Nothing had even happened D2. I was going off leftover info from D1 in choosing Nico.

Pedit: you're telling me Chara.....I'm chasing time stamps on my phone....

1) Chasing time stamps is incredibly easy to do, and very valuable when you're claiming to have done hidden things(in the Varsoon Variety Hour game that was scrapped, Beeboy caught *two* scum based off of the timing of the submission of a day action).

2) I'm sorry that your situation makes it harder for you to do, but it's still useful, and I love you for doing it. <3

-Cerb

[Jingle]

This is a disturbing amount of power given the presumption that the HoB had an even chance of winning with any other scum team.

Claims so far:
Probably town by balance, flavor or use if real:
Day Flavor Cop with a demonstrable ability to get guilties.
Lightning Rod (possibly multiuse).
Priest.
NR?
Mason
Mason
?
?
?

3rd party Doc (role, but not alignment pseudoconfirmed).

Traitor

?
?

We're missing: a method by which Toog survives last night. A Presumptive town killing role. Assuming one of those is real and town, this is way too much power for a 2.5 person scumteam to handle because reasons.

Oh, also, because this makes it super clear that I have power and I'm fairly certain my soft earlier outed what said power was, I'm a mason. My mason buddy OR I made a crumb at some point that should be fairly obvious only if pointed out. I'm not interested in outing them right now.

WE ARE ALL IDIOTS. ALL OF US ARE STUPID. NONE OF US KNOW WHAT THE MODERATOR INTENDED, OR HOW THEY WILL RULE. DO NOT MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT YOUR ROLE. ASK THE MODERATOR EVERY QUESTION YOU CAN ABOUT HOW YOUR ROLE WORKS AND HOW IT INTERACTS WITH OTHER ROLES/STANDARD MODIFIERS.

FWIW, I've been sending A50 notes guessing flavor for almost the whole game and he hasn't warned me once.

[Jingle]

Oh, didn't edit after deciding to claim.

I was flavor speccing in the mason PT, not by PM.

[Gamma Emerald]

and using a flavour cop on a slot that was likely to be lynched? in that situation i would let the slot die unless i thought they could be very useful, and cop someone i'm unsure about but could rely on if they turned up town. or someone who would be more difficult to catch if scum.
if not the first time, then the blatant alignment info you got for Porkens would have indicated this is basically a cop and you should pick your target more carefully.

I think I see more Town motivation from Chickadee’s actions than scum motivation, anyone wanna talk to me on this?

[Chara]

i think Chick's town.

[Gamma Emerald]

why would you use what seems like pretty legitimate flavour information on two slots that aren't really that useful to the game?

This is a bad argument. Copping inevitable mislynches is a reasonable move imo, because the value of the inno's goes up in that if you cop a strong player and get an inno, they weren't going to be getting lynched anyways. I get the arguments for copping the people driving the game, but still. I disagree that they're bad cop targets in and of themselves(though if one assumes lots of town vigs, just letting them get vigged is even better than copping them...still saves the mislynch. )

-Cerb

I actually disagree. If you cop a likely lynch, two things will happen: you find Town, and you’ll probably have to claim once your inbox is run up, or you find Scum and you don’t get the advantage of that check when you fullclaim and reveal all the unflipped slots you checked.

[Chara]

^^^^^^
this is especially true for lategame. it's not about saving a mislynch, but rather helping to solve the game as a whole. a strong but scummy ISO is usually my first priority.
but that's neither here nor there!
also i've changed my mind, i'm now in favour of attempting to flavour game. this has to do with Chick being town, mainly.
of course, i can't actually do it (i hate reading the wikis of something i haven't seen myself) but i look forward to your efforts.

[Jingle]

i think Chick's town.

I explicitly believe the thief claim. I'm not entirely sure how that relates to Chick's alignment.

(Thief, btw, is a nerfed flavor cop in that instead of being outright told the flavor of the target they are given a hint or "item they stole". )

[CheekyTeeky]

I believe the claim. Im not sure if I believe it's a town role yet.

[CheekyTeeky]

It doesn't matter at this stage as the claim/alignment is self resolving.

[Jingle]

Unless ascetic also stops day abilities, in which case that's very broken. But hey, that'll prove I'm ascetic.

Mod basically proved you were ascetic with the announcement about lightning rod/ascetic interactions, btw. Had to double check to make sure A50 doesn't have an angleshooting policy rule to be able to bring this up, but the odds that your roles would interact in a nonstandard way and he was prepared for that mean that he had already determined how they would interact for this game. Wasting an action on confirming your asceticness is just that, wasting an action.

[Jingle]

Okay, Chick, ask A50 how your role interacts with a theoretical lightning rod.
Toog, ask how your role interacts with day abilities.

Pending answers, we potentially have a follow the cop scenario on our hands.

[Chara]

I explicitly believe the thief claim. I'm not entirely sure how that relates to Chick's alignment.

her targets/reason for targets/posting on this real life day, coupled with towny posting on day 1.

[Jingle]

Let me rephrase. I believe the claim and can see arguments for her to be scum or town based on it. I'm not sure which to be the case.

I'm not saying it's NAI because it most certainly isn't, I'm saying I'm not sure yet and need to spend more time thinking about it.

[Chickadee]

Myday action is unaffected by the LR night action. They are resolved in different phases. Also I cannot target the ascetic.

From the mod.

[Jingle]

I submitted the cop on October 12, 7:48pm (Central time)

Um...

This is after this post:

A LYNCH has been achieved

VC#0

TPFKAP (9): Thor665, Gamma Emerald, Elsa Jay, CheekyTeeky, BuJaber, Jingle, Nancy Drew Shogunate, Chara, Toogeloo

BuJaber (2): McMenno, Chickadee
Flicker (2): Reasonably Rational, northsidegal
NicoRobin (2): Malakittens TPFKAP
Reasonably Rational (1): NicoRobin


Not Voting: Flicker

Deadline suspended

Possible scumslip on RR's part?

[Jingle]

Yeah.

VOTE: RR

Don't see how they could have made that mistake if they were actually trying to solve the claim instead of looking like solving the claim.