Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm really sad you rolled scum again Tor :/

Ooo
Talk about this more please

[Gamma Emerald]

Mod responded to my request for flavor. I'm a Reaver. That's a good guy, right?

is this real or just some kind of joke scumclaim or something? not familiar with the show.

This gives me a headache
Someone else can judge responses to this, I can’t deal

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

Currently shutting up and gomna take a shower.

Jeez, what the heck is even happening.

so just like that you drop the scum read on me?

here i thought i was going to have fun.

Why the fuck did you post this

[Gamma Emerald]

me and cheekyteeky is the real masonry

i thought we were a masonry

Ok yeah I noted the weird aversion to the connection earlier and this makes it 100% scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait no I’m stupid

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay I misattributed some things but Mala still comes out scummy from that exchange

[Chickadee]

So if nico is river then she’s likely town.

I just don't really see how a flavor day time cop is a town role.

Please tell me what happened between these two posts.

The first looks like you accept my claim. Then people put up a fuss and questioned me. Then you had doubts.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Malakittens
While I still have plenty more catchup to do I think putting a vote out is good, especially since I have substantial confidence in this

[Chickadee]

I have confidence to, but I want Lala to answer me first.

[Chara]

Apologies if it's not super coherent. I'm going to go sleep now. I'll check back in a few hours and see if this made sense to people. I'm open to better ways to try and get +EV out of it but I think there's not many plausible ways really.

oh good, you noticed.

[Malakittens]

So gamma do you not know how to read a joking tone when I was replying to RC? Because I was legit joking with him. That’s how him and I roll. I was definitely not claiming masons with him when I wasn’t a mason.

As for Elsa I wanted to engage with him over reads and I didn’t like how he dropped his scum read on me so fast.

As for your reply Chick. I have been somewhat following along and someone mentioned that if Nico is actually river it has to mean she’s town because wasn’t river part of serentiy? Which I was asking because I have zero knowledge of flavor so I’m trying to sort it out here. Regardless of your ability being either town or scum; if nico is river then she’s town if I am getting the flavor right. I’m slowly trying to sort out reads

[Reasonably Rational]

Apologies if it's not super coherent. I'm going to go sleep now. I'll check back in a few hours and see if this made sense to people. I'm open to better ways to try and get +EV out of it but I think there's not many plausible ways really.

oh good, you noticed.

Noticed that he wasn't super coherent, or something else Chara?

-Cerb

[Chara]

that there aren't too many good ways to get max EV out of what you two noticed.

[Reasonably Rational]

that there aren't too many good ways to get max EV out of what you two noticed.

Yeah.

Lots of discussion about it. I'm pretty sure we shouldn't have actually said *anything* and just made the appropriate push(es) with other reasons, but *shrug*. Misplays may have been made, we'll see.

-Cerb

[Jingle]

Assuming universal formatting for town role pms, we could pseudo conf ~four players. I’d rather not, tbh because it feels a lot like winning via mod error and there is a chance that the role pm is different for the various prs.

If we want to use that, I can share the four questions I came up with.

FWIW, this is similar but not quite the thing I saw. What I saw was flicker claiming that her pr had the flavor of “a man of the cloth” to go with the role name of priest. Ours, notably, had no flavor. Just mason. Link to pt. Wincon.

[Chara]

let's leave it for now.
i think there's a use for this, but perhaps not right at this moment.

also think this makes Flicker town, actually.
let's just keep lynching scummy players for a bit.

[Jingle]

FWIW, this is similar but not quite the thing I saw. What I saw was flicker claiming that her pr had the flavor of “a man of the cloth” to go with the role name of priest. Ours, notably, had no flavor. Just mason. Link to pt. Wincon.

Wait, misread. Disregard this part.

[Reasonably Rational]

I mean ... "You are flying pumpkin that shoots lasers out your arse" or whatever the precise wording of the sample PM is ... isn't actually role info. It's flavor. Specifically ... it's flavor that explains the role.

We have flavor that gives the motivation for our role. I would expect at least 5 or 6 of the characters on the ship to have something very similar to ours.

As far as the mason claim goes: there's two obvious mason pairs who are unambiguously and obviously going to be town if they are used in this game. One doesn't make sense. The other does. If you are that pair of people, I would actually expect that it would have been difficult to give any flavor explaining your mason connection that would not ALSO have given away which characters you are. (The pairs I'm thinking of: Simon and River; Zoe and Wash).

Make of this what you will. I was in a hurry and misplayed so the question now is whether to go anywhere with this. I also already raised the ethical concern of whether going along these lines is even something we want to do. Like ... if it is true that every town role pm was constructed with some kind of flavor statement that transitions into the role mechanics ... then using that would bypass the obvious mod intent of NOT breaking the game by flavor. But ... when I asked this question earlier the only reactions were opposite of this line of thinking.

So I guess we'll wait a bit and let folks check in and decide if they want to do anything with it. If not, I'm personally happy to divulge what we've got. At this point, I can't imagine any town seriously having any doubts about us which means we're probably going to be killed off because I misplayed.

~D

[BuJaber]

I mean ... "You are flying pumpkin that shoots lasers out your arse" or whatever the precise wording of the sample PM is ... isn't actually role info. It's flavor. Specifically ... it's flavor that explains the role.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Of_Its_Ass

It's like saying "you are a cop" or "you are a doctor". It's not flavor.

[Jingle]

Eh. I think there’s a difference between guessing flavor based on role and attempting to confirm players based on a chunk of text missing from the sample pm.

And Chara, its actually not possible to make use of this post townflip, which is the point of deciding today.

The four questions I came up, btw, because it really doesn’t matter if we don’t end up using them are as follows:

What type of clause/phrase is the missing piece.
Number of letters.
How many words?
Whole thing.

I suppose we could break it into individual pieces, but that seems like it’s as in depth as is reasonably unguessable. Even still, answering those questions seems kind of unfair to the scumteam.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Jingle can we just lynch Bujaber? They seem to be missing the point, and given the other suspicion of them...it might do well to resolve the entire situation. Either our suspicions about what we've found are wrong, OR this ignorance they're showing actually means what we think it does.

-Cerb

[BuJaber]

If you still think you have a point once of us is too stupid to continue talking about this. I'm happy dying in exchange for a promise gou'll move on to better discussions.

[Jingle]

I’m intentionally not leading wagons today as is my right as a claimed mason.

I won’t stop you though and may or may not give you my vote if you go there.

[BuJaber]

My flip proves you wrong on everything anyway might be the best way to trigger a hard reset if you're town.

[Elsa Jay]

Claims this game so far-

Elsa: Neutral Doc (Ascetic BP)
Flicker: Priest
Toog: Lightning Rod
Chickadee: Day flavor cop (who says Robin is River/Simon)
Jingle: Mason

I'm keeping this as a reminder for later.

Pedit: Jaber, if you're town, you probably shouldn't let yourself get hung so easily.