Mini 573 - Darkstalkers Mafia - Game over!

armlx · Post Post #575 (ISO) » Wed May 07, 2008 1:53 pm

Err, gorckat, not Gorrad. Confusing names and what not, was referring to when gorckat asked xtoxm his night choice, i called fishing, he called reading the rules, and I called him Blackberry.

As for mafia, I'm pretty unsure on it, but I'm leaning yes just for balance issues without making infi town unrecruitables.

Alabaska J · Post Post #576 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 10:49 am

Aight. I'm also leaning towards there being a mafia. Still unsure about the massclaim, though. I'd like to hear from everyone.

gorckat · Post Post #577 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 11:38 am

I want to hear from OpFor's replacement. We've had zippy from him today, and we need something.

Dead Rikimaru · Post Post #578 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 4:34 pm

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Pyron

VOTECOUNT #25

Flameaxe

(3): Xtoxm, armlx, Alabaska J

armlx

(1): Flameaxe

Not voting

(6): springlullaby, GhostWriter, OpposedForce, gorckat, Drunken Piper, Claus

Deadline is on

May 16

Needed for a lynch: 6 votes
If by deadline no one has 6 votes the player with more votes is lynched
If two players share the top score of votes lynch is decided by

duel

IMPORTANT!!!!!

gorckat wrote:I want to hear from OpFor's replacement. We've had zippy from him today, and we need something.

Actually there isn't one yet.
Still looking for it.
But I hate when games stall while waiting for replacements, there are enough players alive to keep discussing.

DR

Claus · Post Post #579 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 6:13 pm

Gorkcat, given the fact that we have a cult, and a SK, and 12 players, do you think we have a mafia as well?

armlx · Post Post #580 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 6:15 pm

I think theres a mafia. Maybe not a 3 person one, but I definitely think there is one.

Claus · Post Post #581 (ISO) » Thu May 08, 2008 6:33 pm

I know Armlx, you said it before. I wanted to ask what everyone else says.

What I REALLY should be doing is re-reading the thread for signs of cult-hood, but no time to do that now

gorckat · Post Post #582 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 1:26 am

I think a mafia is very likely. Someone died Night One, after the SK.

Two people targeted Al night one, FWIW.

armlx · Post Post #583 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:13 am

gorckat wrote: Two people targeted Al night one, FWIW.

I'm putting money on those 2 people being doc + cult leader, and I'm assuming you know the names. I'm trying to do the math to see if revealing those names and lynching one is the best plan, as the mafia (or vig, if thats the killing group we are seeing) are sure to kill the other as its the biggest threat to them regardless of which lives.

Ok, so 10 alive, 2 cult, 2-3 mafia, 5-6 town. Reveal, if CL is lynched and we go to day its

1 cult, 2-3 mafia, 4-5 town. Still majority as recruit is aiming to kill scum too.

If doc is lynched.

2 cult, 2-3 mafia, 3-4 town. Still majority again, thought very likely to lose to either scum group.

Other options include a failed recruit somewhere in there, town vig shooting as it doesn't increase the game clock, RBing the mafia kill, but this is the simplest scenario.

Opinions on what gorckat should do?

gorckat · Post Post #584 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:16 am

Yes- I know the names.

armlx · Post Post #585 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:17 am

you weren't supposed to say that. Now you are the auto-cult recruit tonight if you don't reveal.

armlx · Post Post #586 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:19 am

I'm pro-reveal based on that math btw, but please don't do so until everyone has commented on other possible scenarios.

GhostWriter · Post Post #587 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 10:13 am

Well, I've been having computer problems. Read the sig. I'm going to just pick up here, and if anyone would like me to answer specific things, just ask me.

I'd actually be leaning towards a back-up SK or two SK's, simply because, when I looked at the character list of Darkstalkers on wikipedia, I didn't really feel like there would be enough characters that would work well enough together to be mafia. The only way I can even see a mafia is a two person mafia, and that just doesn't feel right to me...

armlx · Post Post #588 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 7:08 pm

With a cult a 2 man mafia and sk, thats 4/12 scum ration which is standard, so it does make sense setup wise.

Claus · Post Post #589 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 7:26 pm

I think that Gorckat should reveal the names. We probably caught the Cult Leader red-handed here.

armlx · Post Post #590 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 7:58 pm

Also would like to point out that Gorckat is almost certainly not mafia now as no mafia would do something like this especially with a cult running around. However, if he reveals and the person we lynch doesn't appear to be someone who targetted Al, I think everyone, specifically the mafia, has to assume Gorckat is a lying recruit and aim elsewhere for the leader.

Claus · Post Post #591 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:08 pm

armlx wrote:With a cult a 2 man mafia and sk, thats 4/12 scum ration which is standard, so it does make sense setup wise.

Not really, if you think that cult, 2 man mafia and an SK means possibly 4 pro-town players down every night (1 culting = 2nks). That is just too swingy.

armlx · Post Post #592 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 8:16 pm

There's also a lot of room for crosskills, failed recruits (3, and I'm assuming SL is somehow), and with 0 vanilla's town power to come into effect in that set up as well, and though it is swingy any game with no vanillas will be swingy by default.

gorckat · Post Post #593 (ISO) » Fri May 09, 2008 11:44 pm

Claus wrote:I think that Gorckat should reveal the names. We probably caught the Cult Leader red-handed here.

Even if I out a doc?

Alabaska J · Post Post #594 (ISO) » Sat May 10, 2008 4:29 am

Would doc prevent me from being recruited?

Also, what if mafia targeted me and a doc?

Also, I think gorckat has to reveal or else we will lose the information forever tonight.

Claus · Post Post #595 (ISO) » Sat May 10, 2008 4:47 am

gorckat wrote:
Claus wrote:I think that Gorckat should reveal the names. We probably caught the Cult Leader red-handed here.
Even if I out a doc?

I thought about that. I'm pretty sure we have no mafia, and the doc was intended for the SK.

gorckat · Post Post #596 (ISO) » Sat May 10, 2008 4:50 am

If I wait any longer, we can't act on the info at all:

Claus and OpFor targeted Al, thus why I've been pushing for OpFor or his (eventual) replacement to do something.

In a vacuum, I've been willing to think Claus doc'ed Al, but with no idea what OpFor was up to, its hard to say.

Claus · Post Post #597 (ISO) » Sat May 10, 2008 5:49 am

I had a feeling you would point your other finger at Opp. Force.

I might as well claim.

I'm Anakaris (the mummy guy), and I use my coffins to protect people from harm. When S.L. revealed that she new of cults, I asked the mod if my protection included culting, and he gave me an ambiguous answer. So I think I do not protect from culting.

Going to sleep now, see you guys in a few hours.

armlx · Post Post #598 (ISO) » Sat May 10, 2008 6:03 am

Well shit, this is awkward considering the other person isn't even here to respond.

Alabaska J · Post Post #599 (ISO) » Sat May 10, 2008 7:21 am

I can say this because I'm confirmed town, otherwise I'm sure I would be in hot water: should we just lynch Opposed Force anyway? I believe Claus' claim, and Opposed Force isn't going to do anything anyway except take away a vote with his lurking. I know it is harsh, but barring any information about Claus' claim being inaccurate or someone finding something very iffy in his posts, I really think Opposed Force will be lynched regardless of whether he shows up, is replaced, or not. And knowing the replacement situation here at MS, it is possible we may not get a replacement anytime soon. I want as many people to comment about this as possible.

unvote, vote: Opposed Force

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Also, can cult recruit and kill in the same night? This would make sense then if we had no mafia but a super-cult as to why I was targeted to be killed and not recruited.