A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[jjh927]

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: mastina

p-edit: I told you my results. If you have something else in mind, please tell me what, because I am drawing a blank regarding what more you could possibly want......

VOTE: mastina

VOTE: invisbiiltit frick I mean mastina
knew we should have killed nico

VOTE: mastina

hi nsg, how r u

VOTE: Mastina

I honestly do not think this is a town role and I feel that my role is diametrically opposed to it.

Don't tell me it wasn't possible

[Jingle]

Okay, so in scenario 1, how does you faking a guilty end up in my plan?

I will not argue further with scum. I asked for one simple analysis entertaining the possibility mastina is scum in your next post, and you didn't give it.

Therefore, you three are scum and you are protecting mastina.

So I see no point in arguing with you.

I will have all three of you lynched sooner or later, make no mistake about that. It starts the moment mastina refuses to gladiate me.

Will you reconsider this position if you get a PM telling you mastina is a loyal gladiator? Cause we're totes waiting for that before resolving this. And you lying about the contents would literally be gamethrowing.

[NicoRobin]

No I think NR is actually just bad at the game

You can be bad at the game while being scum

Mini Theme 1936.

p-edit: Yes. Would you consider changing yours positions if I find out info that condemns her?

[NicoRobin]

Anyway, I am leaving now.

[jjh927]

Like, do you not understand the logic of "bad enough to fakeclaim a guilty that is easily caught as scum means also bad enough to fakeclaim a guilty that is easily caught as town?"

Yes but I don't believe the motivation to fake the guilty and have provided a potential scum motivation for it

[jjh927]

No I think NR is actually just bad at the game

You can be bad at the game while being scum

Mini Theme 1936.

Not ecologically valid

[Jingle]

Would you consider changing yours positions if I find out info that condemns her?

If you promise me, 100%, that you will not fakeclaim this result as town, and you get an incriminating result on mastina, I will return to the premise that one of the two of you must be scum and determine which one of you it is using every method at my disposal. Which, notably, was my position before mastina claimed you faked a guilty. If you get the information that mastina is a loyal gladiator, either mastina is town or both Chickadee and Kuroi are scum with her and this game is going to be super easy.

Note: This does include making Creature elaborate on why mastina is scum now. (In fact, Creature should just do that.)

[jjh927]

I also still think her rolecop would give her the full PM because again, this is a theme game

[Jingle]

Like, do you not understand the logic of "bad enough to fakeclaim a guilty that is easily caught as scum means also bad enough to fakeclaim a guilty that is easily caught as town?"

Yes but I don't believe the motivation to fake the guilty and have provided a potential scum motivation for it

I don't see either "dumb move as scum" or "dumb move as town" as more likely atm, and think you're arguing for what is essentially a policy lynch, incidentally creating a ton of noise while we have other information to consider.

If you'd like to case NR, I'd prefer you do so in a way that isn't going to be the two of you yelling at each other for 50 pages.

If you don't believe NR could behave this way as town, go read Cheet's UPick. viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76071

[Skygazer]

UNVOTE:

[Jingle]

I also still think her rolecop would give her the full PM because again, this is a theme game

Better point, and worth considering. But attempting to convince NR that she's scum instead of engaging other people to try to convince them/hear their reasoning is, again, counterproductive. Whether or not she is in fact scum. And if you stop tunneling her for a minute I think you'll realize that.

[jjh927]

Oh I know it's counterproductive it's just there's an extent to which I feel obligated to respond to her I guess?

I will get to casing her if it would be beneficial at some point, just not today

[jjh927]

Also I appreciate being given games she actually played out properly because it gives me more to test my theories on the meta angle without having to trawl through a load of games and see if she actually posted in them

[Vecna]

That said I did here that Creature actually played a scumgame with his town meta this one time

all the time, recently. everyone misreads him based on outdated meta

[Jingle]

In that particular game she was a mason with mastina and got into an argument with someone (also town) over a very similar step in logic (hideously OP interaction can't possibly exist) that presupposed information she didn't have. In her defense, a lot of this was caused by another set of players, one scum and one town, fakeclaiming mason together. Fair warning, it's not gonna be a fun read.

[Jingle]

That said I did here that Creature actually played a scumgame with his town meta this one time

all the time, recently. everyone misreads him based on outdated meta

Man, this sucks. Pretending to not have to read creature's slot because of the Creaturetell was super useful as scum the only game I played with him.

[Vecna]

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM SHIT


WE HAVE A GODDAMN LOUD DOCTOR


UNLESS YOU HAVE A GUILTY, HIDING THE FUCKING DOCTOR IS THE BEST USE OF ANY UNCLAIMED ROLE.

bullcrap

[Jingle]

Bullcrap we have a loud doctor, or bullcrap we should avoid claims to hide the loud doctor?

[jjh927]

That legitimately sounds like a perfect game to trial the meta shit on

I'm not looking macro here

[NicoRobin]

Would you consider changing yours positions if I find out info that condemns her?

If you promise me, 100%, that you will not fakeclaim this result as town, and you get an incriminating result on mastina, I will return to the premise that one of the two of you must be scum and determine which one of you it is using every method at my disposal. Which, notably, was my position before mastina claimed you faked a guilty. If you get the information that mastina is a loyal gladiator, either mastina is town or both Chickadee and Kuroi are scum with her and this game is going to be super easy.

Note: This does include making Creature elaborate on why mastina is scum now. (In fact, Creature should just do that.)

And if I get proof that she is scum?

All I've gotten from both of you is what you'd do if my results say that she wasn't lying, not what you'd do if she was lying......

[NicoRobin]

No I think NR is actually just bad at the game

You can be bad at the game while being scum

Mini Theme 1936.

Not ecologically valid

Why isn't it valid?

[Vecna]

So Nico is lying, and Porkens can back me up here.

I was told, "Nico is demanding your role; you have 48 hours to comply, or she becomes a triple voter for you."

She CAN'T have a result yet. I've allowed it, so she will get one, but she doesn't have one RIGHT NOW.

I'm not voting her though, because I am 100% positive she's just town fakeclaiming. This is PRECISELY the kind of stunt she'd pull.

Also, pizza is delicious.

bullshit as well.

porkens, nico, mastina scum?

[jjh927]

No I think NR is actually just bad at the game

You can be bad at the game while being scum

Mini Theme 1936.

Not ecologically valid

Why isn't it valid?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_validity

[Jingle]

And if I get proof that she is scum?

I will evaluate the two of you.

Look, I get that you want me to say I'm going to turbo lynch mastina. That's simply not the case. I'm not going to turbo lynch you either. I'm going to reevaluate based on the new information. At the moment, I think you're probably both town. If that read changes due to mechanical reasons, I will need to read, engage with people, determine alignments, and all of that fun stuff to decide which one of you is more likely to be the town party.

I can't promise you any more than that, because to do so would simply be a lie.

[Jingle]

So Nico is lying, and Porkens can back me up here.

I was told, "Nico is demanding your role; you have 48 hours to comply, or she becomes a triple voter for you."

She CAN'T have a result yet. I've allowed it, so she will get one, but she doesn't have one RIGHT NOW.

I'm not voting her though, because I am 100% positive she's just town fakeclaiming. This is PRECISELY the kind of stunt she'd pull.

Also, pizza is delicious.

bullshit as well.

porkens, nico, mastina scum?

Since FB isn't answering and he literally said the same thing, ?