Micro 829: The Coalition [Endgame]

[Almost50]

Almost50, what do you think about the idea of padding the coalition with players who are easier to read, in that instance? I would suggest something along the lines of:
Chara
skitter30
Skygazer
Gamma Emerald
can't think of a fifth off the top of my head.

This depends on whether one is hunting for the instant win or is resigned to the idea we can't possibly get them all right and thus should be content with an "easier to sort" kind of lynchpool.

[Almost50]

Just out of interest, what is your take on Skygazer?

This is a very very bad question considering you claim to have been reading my posts!

Then this is an even worse answer!
I have been reading your posts, but as confessed my retention is very low.
There have also been developments since then.

So what's your take on Skygazer, baby monkey?

What does me not including her in my SIX contenders for the coalition tell you? I mean, regardless of anything else.. does it look like I have a confident TR there just by that fact?

[no lunch]

Almost50, what do you think about the idea of padding the coalition with players who are easier to read, in that instance? I would suggest something along the lines of:
Chara
skitter30
Skygazer
Gamma Emerald
can't think of a fifth off the top of my head.

This depends on whether one is hunting for the instant win or is resigned to the idea we can't possibly get them all right and thus should be content with an "easier to sort" kind of lynchpool.

Then perhaps we would be better off forcing "both or neither" into the coalition so we have a 2/5 chance of lynching correctly on-coalotion?

[Almost50]

Okay if Skygazer is too difficult: could you give me a quick concise update of your current read on me?

Scummier by the minute.

[no lunch]

What does me not including her in my SIX contenders for the coalition tell you? I mean, regardless of anything else.. does it look like I have a confident TR there just by that fact?

It isn't on me to answer this question.

Why is she not in your contenders and why did her posting earlier not change your mind?

[Almost50]

Then perhaps we would be better off forcing "both or neither" into the coalition so we have a 2/5 chance of lynching correctly on-coalotion?

Both of whom?

[Almost50]

What does me not including her in my SIX contenders for the coalition tell you? I mean, regardless of anything else.. does it look like I have a confident TR there just by that fact?

It isn't on me to answer this question.

Why is she not in your contenders and why did her posting earlier not change your mind?

VOTE: no lunch

Let's dance. THIS is my

serious

answer.

[skitter30]

Chara. skitter, Irrelephant, A50, Aubrey. I could switch you/me with Gamma if needs be, provided that gets a majority.

i'm feeling a little ???? about chara rn actually
it's probably just paranoia but yeah

This makes me sad
I wanted this feeling to just be me

I don't love how he wants Gamma in the coalition off of gutfeel when he's otherwise been so cautious with healing, and imo it reads like scum trying to bring mislynch-bait into the coalition last-second to make it easier post-coalition-hammer to avoid being lynched
But also that's basically the only agenda ping I'm getting from him and otherwise I did think he was probably town

eh their thoughts about gamma were kinda similar to mine and happened at kinda the same time so that doesn't bother me too much

it's like a gut thing. idk i'll try to explain i guess
like i guess i'm feeling a little bit like they want to townread? or that they're trying to be townread? and it doesn't feel entirely sincere to me?

+ maybe a little bit that a50 hasn't been super solid on them

i feel like that doesn't completely describe it but i'm not sure what else is bugging me atm

[Almost50]

@EVERYONE: What does the fact I'm not including X in my candidates to be in coalition tell you about my read on X?

[skitter30]

no lunch, how do you view metareads?

With glaring hypocrisy..... I believe they provide constraints of reality around which to read a player, but are liable to fall down when it comes to strong reliable accurate tells.

For instance, I think it is appropriate to acknowledge your strengths as scum when attempting to townread you.

Is there a reason why you ask?

basically im leading up to: how much weight do you give to me/chara a bit saying he's town?

[skitter30]

@no lunch: I'm here. Hit me

Ka-pow!

Firstly as context to anything we talk about, I believe you are scum-siding by suggesting we rush a coalition. 7v2 mountainous is a scum-sided setup, so the pentotomy of the coalition is all that we have.

Secondly, I have done an awful job of parsing your posts so far but I'm having a hard time pinning down how you actually feel about things past making tonnes of noise and rushing a coalition.

So in isolation my read of you is trending south of null.


Just out of interest, what is your take on Skygazer?

also this might be a weird thing to say but i feel like this is a little bit trying to look for the scummy side of his actions
and that you're like trying to frame it as scummy: 'making tonnes of noise'

[Chara]

it's like a gut thing. idk i'll try to explain i guess
like i guess i'm feeling a little bit like they want to townread? or that they're trying to be townread? and it doesn't feel entirely sincere to me?

you should feel like that, because i am trying to be townread.
you're wrong about it being insincere, though. :>

i am glad you brought up your Gamma read in response to this, though.

[skitter30]

Almost50, what do you think about the idea of padding the coalition with players who are easier to read, in that instance? I would suggest something along the lines of:
Chara
skitter30
Skygazer
Gamma Emerald
can't think of a fifth off the top of my head.

wait since when am i easy to read?

[no lunch]

basically im leading up to: how much weight do you give to me/chara a bit saying he's town?

If you are both confident you have a read on him and can confirm you believe that town-Almost50 plays as though he has an agenda and would intentionally deflect my efforts to sort him via forcing deeper thought in real-time interactions, I would value that read.

Don't have a metric for reading Almost50 at the moment.

also this might be a weird thing to say but i feel like this is a little bit trying to look for the scummy side of his actions
and that you're like trying to frame it as scummy: 'making tonnes of noise'

Absolutely. I intended to put him on edge for that discussion (he just toppled over rather than talking, unfortunately).

[skitter30]

also kind of worried skitter is piggybacking off of elephant's paranoia of me. i guess you'd call that counter paranoia.

and skitter unvoted Gamma around the same time i did. i'd assumed she saw the same thing in his towny responses.
why did you unvote Gamma, skitter?

he kinda gut-pinged me as town and like trying ot contribute
don't think i can describe why better

(i think i may have brought up the paranoia thing first last night but it is entirely possible that i am mistaken in the ordering)

[skitter30]

it's like a gut thing. idk i'll try to explain i guess
like i guess i'm feeling a little bit like they want to townread? or that they're trying to be townread? and it doesn't feel entirely sincere to me?

you should feel like that, because i am trying to be townread.
you're wrong about it being insincere, though. :>

i am glad you brought up your Gamma read in response to this, though.

yeah i was thinking that idk if that's inherently scummy
but it's feeling a little wrong/scummy/paranoia-inducing to me kinda

[no lunch]

Almost50, what do you think about the idea of padding the coalition with players who are easier to read, in that instance? I would suggest something along the lines of:
Chara
skitter30
Skygazer
Gamma Emerald
can't think of a fifth off the top of my head.

wait since when am i easy to read?

This was a post I was hoping he would engage with me on. :/
You're not easy to read, I just have a strong feeling that you are town in this game. I was testing the prospect of Almost50 and Skygazer being aligned...something which he clearly did not want to engage on.

[Aubrey]

Holy shit this is getting bloody.

[no lunch]

Almost50, why don't you like talking to me?
I'm asking for you to explain your read in a roundabout way.

[skitter30]

basically im leading up to: how much weight do you give to me/chara a bit saying he's town?

If you are both confident you have a read on him and can confirm you believe that town-Almost50 plays as though he has an agenda and would intentionally deflect my efforts to sort him via forcing deeper thought in real-time interactions, I would value that read.

Don't have a metric for reading Almost50 at the moment.

also this might be a weird thing to say but i feel like this is a little bit trying to look for the scummy side of his actions
and that you're like trying to frame it as scummy: 'making tonnes of noise'

Absolutely. I intended to put him on edge for that discussion (he just toppled over rather than talking, unfortunately).

i guess it's more that i don't think scum!a50 plays this way

and i guess i'm kinda seeing a pattern of you framing things negatively and that strikes me as as kinda scummy

[Almost50]

@EVERYONE: What does the fact I'm not including X in my candidates to be in coalition tell you about my read on X?

[Chara]

@EVERYONE: What does the fact I'm not including X in my candidates to be in coalition tell you about my read on X?

you don't trust your read on X?

pedit: that might be possible, the first i remembered was elephant's worry i was buddying him.
your continued posts here are making me kind of reconsider the paranoia though. i don't know. i might have gotten it into my head that your scumgame was really good to the point that i can't townread you without second-guessing it, in spite of you doing things i feel are towny this game.

skitter: ignore this if i'm asking you to do something you hate, but if you don't hate it, could you take a look at my approach in Purgatory mafia? if yes i'll get the link.

no lunch: sorry about muscling in on your questioning of Almost. if skitter's town i think her read on him can be considered, however, and if you're townreading me i would take mine into account as well.

[Chara]

Holy shit this is getting bloody.

do you have an opinion on it?

[no lunch]

i guess it's more that i don't think scum!a50 plays this way

and i guess i'm kinda seeing a pattern of you framing things negatively and that strikes me as as kinda scummy

How is that scummy during the early parts of day one..?

[no lunch]

You won't see a drive-by shade throw from me. If something crosses my mind, I'll say it, and if something feels poorly explained I'll prod it and make the answerer uncomfortable while I do so.