let me put the nail in the coffin and seal this game for us, win or lose
what eragon just posted here was scummy and needs death
he is treating irrel as conftown when he is not, and he is doing that while putting zero work in the game this gameday. the self hammer part is senseless to be something he is thinking of doing when he is town, and pointing it out just feels to me like he is adding layers to his scum!eragon AtE. the whole "idgaf" thing just doesn't feel genuine, does it? yeah maybe rl is taking over, it happened to me too, but "honestly idgaf about this game anymore"? why even say that? and now, 102 pages in after so many dead people worked so hard for town to win this. he is gonna say he doesn't give a fuck? I call it scum.
alright if I'm wrong I'm wrong, let's kill eragon and figure it out yes nauci?
i can't do this to you nauci/irrel
its not fair to you who actually tried in endgame and throughout the entire game for me to just roll over and let us lose.
Ima kick school to the curb for the next day or two(I'll still focus but w/e) and help prove this game
let me put the nail in the coffin and seal this game for us, win or lose
what eragon just posted here was scummy and needs death
he is treating irrel as conftown when he is not, and he is doing that while putting zero work in the game this gameday. the self hammer part is senseless to be something he is thinking of doing when he is town, and pointing it out just feels to me like he is adding layers to his scum!eragon AtE. the whole "idgaf" thing just doesn't feel genuine, does it? yeah maybe rl is taking over, it happened to me too, but "honestly idgaf about this game anymore"? why even say that? and now, 102 pages in after so many dead people worked so hard for town to win this. he is gonna say he doesn't give a fuck? I call it scum.
alright if I'm wrong I'm wrong, let's kill eragon and figure it out yes nauci?
I didn't come this far to just hammer blindly so I'm still drawing this out for when I have time sorry >.<
In post 22, GameNBurger wrote:Also nobody dare TR me for that I did a bunch of shitty math only to come to the conclusion that its business as usual as far as claiming goes
in my last game a bunch of people town read me simply for effort and It blew my fucking minds as to why
I put up with it because I was town and people were having a hard time reading me but I'd like to get it out there that effort is not a one to one correlation with scuminess
a lack of effort is a good indicator of scum but a presence of effort does not indicate town
Anyways let that be a lesson to never do gametheory math late at night because youre bound to make idioitic mistakes, theres still a not great part of the stupidly simple model i used that doesn't account for the fact that T contains M in it, I should have broken it into P=t+M for more generalized use to make the death equation a bit easier to see the relationships
Why did you feel the need to "remind" us not to townread you for posting a mathematical proof? I find it a bit odd to automatically assume that people would give you free towncred just for that one early game contribution. I get your point about people making the mistake of townreading based on effort alone, but I really don't think it was necessary to explicitly say that you don't deserve towncred for sharing a mathematical proof.
ok, and so what? do you townread it, scumread it, null read it? who cares if it's unnecessary? is it scummy?
this is a very thin read, but from the very start, the fact that there is no daychat could mean that he is signaling volxen to see what Volxen's plan is and how hes gonna do the reads.
this is already the towniest motherfucker on the planet
this feels like a pocket, i dont really see how an extension would be so good and towny for asking, because thats an easy fake, so Tora either is pocketing the worst or vice versa
In post 400, Toranaga wrote:I ISO'd sesq and it's a lot of self contradictory posting that IDK if it's scummy or towny or what
this is very fencesitty, and its a way to leave Sesq's wagon as an option w/out having to be seen as a main pusher.
In post 538, Keyser Söze wrote:Toranaga, bad news.. during my re-read I had you down as the scum partner who bussed Volxen
Do you want me to talk through the scum narrative I have in my head?
nah, I know my reads are so good it feels like TMI
lynch me ahead bro
this just feels like deflection, instead of wondering whats the reason and (maybe) worried that he'll be seen as the busser, he just says "nah i know my reads are just too good"
"
Taranaga name drops his scum partner’s name and two other viable wagons.
Does not go into detail or present his scum case on any of them."
UNEXPLAINED READS? MUST BE A WOLF. you saw how volxen explained every single thing he thought or saw in the game, right? and what did he flip? yup.
"
Taranaga asks this question to Volxen: it’s a very non-aggressive/rhetorical question you would ask your scum partner. I suspect it was soft-distancing."
I'm getting around the idea that this is a wolf making pointless reads/questions etc there. it felt like fake work and I wanted to see what he'd respond to it. this isn't distancing, this is me smelling wolf from his post.
the rest of it I can't really respond to. I'm not in the mood to read this until I need to and I don't need to.
"
hey Taranaga, please give me a rating for a) effort b) believability c) sincerity"
a for effort
b for delivery
a for sincerity
I'm locktowning you for trying to case me, it's really cute from you
locktowning from casing is ??? and i think its to stop keyser from actually voting/casing Tora, because its harder to scumcase people townreading you than people scumreading you
I ISO'd you and didn't think it was too bad. there's some towny moments like making fun of NSG and asking a bunch of seemingly relevant questions while providing no follow up. little towny things here and there.
you seem only focused on ausuka this gameday and I can't townread anything this shallow.
"theres some towny things and then little towny things here yada yada yada"
after saying dunn was posting scummy...
feels like backing off from bussing
In post 606, Toranaga wrote:I'm gonna townread dunn's last post cause he is attacking my perspective on mafia in general other than read/my alignment or whatever
it's just a towny thing to do
attacking your mafia perspective is towny?????
thats the first i heard, this is just reaching for a reason to give a strong TR to dunnstral
Not voting: [GameNBurger], Toranaga 110, 2 718281828459 151
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
what a beautiful vc. this wagon feels pure. I didn't read irrelephant or reundo to any depth but the posts keyzer soze mentioned are a great look for reundo who seemed to be onto volxen from the very beginning and for all the correct reasons why he was a wolf (the superficial highly descriptive posting that never really went anywhere). keyser is very towny and I think sesq is town for a lot of added up thin reads on both players in that slot.
alright good start.
and the wagon was pure, is it TMI? especially saying that he didnt read rel/reundo and still called them pure.
In post 647, Keyser Söze wrote:Came into D2 thinking Toro-Dunn (but they’re both united over scum-Ausuka, who in turn doesn’t town read them! how perfect ) so this is going to be an interesting day. So I’m now sat here with my popcorn, waiting to see the uncensored interactions between those players (so far they’ve talked about eachother, but not engaged one another).
maybe tora but I think dunn is town mate
p.much scumclaiming and giving dunn a higher read than himself.
i know its probably a joke, but sometimes jokes have effect.
if you claim scum as a joke, is it a joke or real???
In post 657, Irrelephant11 wrote:My last thought (about Toranaga) got me thinking about how the wagon on volxen happened and I went back and found this
In post 399, the worst wrote:hot take: we need to hammer Sesq who will do nothing to defend themselves or flashwagon volxen who is one rung townier and will become extremely obvious later if scum
Which, given scum don't have day chat, is VERY INTERESTING.
If volxen "will become extremely obvious later if scum", why be concerned about lynching him now? (wagon movement was still more toward sesq, who tw says here is scummier)
Unless
he's trying to hint to his scum buddy that it's time to bus
Toranaga immediately followed it up with the move to vote volxen, which tw followed. Tor has tried to claim towncred for them both this game day, and has since lampshaded "inb4 partners" which, admittedly, would be bold, but would also make anyone who called them partners look a little silly
Any thoughts on this? tw has come across as feeling v towny in tone but I can't get over the combo of
-GNB's weirdness
-volxen's long, drawn out nullread of the slot
-tw's TMI of the lynch
And then Toranaga
-Has directed attention off-wagon without reasoning
-Has lots of interactions with tw that are really very friendly and (significantly) once tw joined the game Tor was much more interested in playing
Tor was also pretty scummy last game day imo (see: Keyser's case, which was mostly ignored?)
Thoughts anyone? They happen to both be independently possible scum but ISO the two of them + GNB and see if you see what I see
For now I'll start with VOTE: Toranaga
pedit: hi sorry
same as above, the faking "Scumclaiming" seems as a way to show "scum would never act like they are caught just cuz someone scumreads you"
In post 661, Toranaga wrote:when have I directed attention off wagon though? I came in, read the wagons, thought volxen was scummier and booya it was scum
the crowd goes wild woohoo
this seems like going overboard with trying to get towncred for helping get volxen lynched.
Probably a decent vote tbh my tr on them kind of feels like it was probably an inaccurate shitread.
Joining around 4th/5th on both wagons without any explanation
here
sheep this god of mafia
dunn you're so good with this ausuka push
the fuck was I thinking misreading you as a wolf
this just reads weird, "the fuck was i thinking misreading you as a wolf"
i mean, bringing attention to this just is a bit "oh no im so bad at reading your obvious town" with giving reasonings like "thats a good push"
Tora's interactions with dunnstral are extremely telling
In post 699, Toranaga wrote:I'll let someone else do it cause it's a lot of long complicated posting that'd require too much from me lol
I just dropped by to say ausuka has literally dropped the 3 names pushing her the hardest as her top scumreads
it's OMGUSing so hard that it's probably the first time I use the term seriously
This is also horrible, and ignores the fact that a) I was scumreading Dunnstral from before he voted me and b) town are naturally inclined to suspect people pushing them. Like in this case scum are legitimately on my wagon because the push on me is awful but even if they're not any townie is often inclined to say people pushing them is town. Honestly I think Toranga is far too experienced to not know this.
I'm townreading everyone that thinks I'm scum other than you cause I know you're doing this out of desperation. you're just scumreading everyone that scumreads you lol. and dunn is town so you're 100% wrong on all the reads.
or your trying to keep the lynch option open instead of calling ausuka town
In post 22, GameNBurger wrote:Also nobody dare TR me for that I did a bunch of shitty math only to come to the conclusion that its business as usual as far as claiming goes
in my last game a bunch of people town read me simply for effort and It blew my fucking minds as to why
I put up with it because I was town and people were having a hard time reading me but I'd like to get it out there that effort is not a one to one correlation with scuminess
a lack of effort is a good indicator of scum but a presence of effort does not indicate town
Anyways let that be a lesson to never do gametheory math late at night because youre bound to make idioitic mistakes, theres still a not great part of the stupidly simple model i used that doesn't account for the fact that T contains M in it, I should have broken it into P=t+M for more generalized use to make the death equation a bit easier to see the relationships
aaaaaaand gamenburger is already never scum because he is lecturing no one in particular on how townreading him for effort is wrong, before anyone said anything.
also I find his watcher claiming content something that doesn't even go through scum head in the first place... it's one thing to say a bunch of LAMIST-y stuff just to get townread. this man is going depths to understand how to best play the set up.
so yeah that's yet another evidence that the worst is pretty much always town here.
i agree here, but if your so confident in TW!town, why were you fine with him being lynched D3(iirc you were fine with it)
In post 770, Ausuka wrote:duckling why do you townread toranga so much?
his reaction to my entrance pinged town, he's quite organically reached a few of the same thoughts I have and I think his fluctuations in energy levels are pretty genuine from him.
legit starting to t/tread u two as well
so good at mafia, this kid
I'll literally let you tell me which one of dunn/ausuka is best today, I think you're leaning dunn and that's fine by me tbh
I did like his ausuka wolfread a lot on d1/today and I like that he mocked NSG as a towny thing to be doing
the first sentence sounds like extreme pocketing, and the second is also pocketing but also the switch on Dunn again, he had been saying Dunn's clear town just a couple posts before,
In post 967, Toranaga wrote:wouldn't town!northsidegal be completely sure someone is scum already?
wouldn't she be building these beautiful walls of literature about it?
where is all of it? where is any of it?
scumreading someone because they havent found scum(FTPOV) is extremely shallow and reachy.
In post 979, Toranaga wrote:I agree dunn backtracking on his ausuka scumread is towny of dunn, idk what that means re: svs tvs svt or anything. it's a good look for him regardless and I think based off d1 the way dunn shaded ausuka doesn't really happen as a svs interaction at all.
not voting anything else today. I read another 10 posts from her ISO and none of them are towny, many are scummy. it's literally just blending in without a single post that indicates an actual attempt at solving the game. her progressions are non existant, her scum reads are empty, her town reads are blend, this isn't NSG's town game and IDC what your meta is. anyone can make 64 air balloons in posting form as scum, even the person who hates scum the most. IDK what the hell are you guys seeing here, I really don't.
sorry if wrong, don't think so.
says hes not voting anywhere else, but ends up hopping on the dunn wagon, probably for towncred of ANOTHER bus
anyone scumreading dunnstral needs to read him shading the volxen wagon when it was L-2 and actually pushing people who voted there. is this in his scum range? because this is objectively towny. a player's first instinct while watching a wolf team mate go down, is to distance themselves from it. universally. dunn is not only not doing that, but actively pushing people with good reasoning behind it. this does not seem like he knows volxen is scum at all.
In post 220, Reundo wrote:
I don't really understand the town-reads of volxen. Everything he's posted seems like surface-level scum-hunting based mostly around points that have already been brought up by others, and as a whole it seems like he's much more interested in garnering why player X scum-reads player Y than providing scum-reads of his own. I'm more worried about him than 2.718 at the moment.
I think dunn gets lynched regardless of this read on him
I think with you that at least 3 if not more people, that think the way he defended volxen doesnt really happen as svs. I'm the one who initially postulated this idea ITT and I think it's correct, but it's absolutely very very thin and his attitude/posts outside of that are not towny. it's quite the hero read given the context where dunn is just potatoing the game really hard.
I absolutely don't understand anything on your paragraph about NSG. also I think between her and ausuka, ausuka is a lot townier and the town between the two if there is one town between the two.
i think town!Tora would try to save someone he strongly TR's
-the assocations with Dunn are absolutely horrid, he completely flips back and forth with the read, calls it scum/town/scum/town calls it hard town and doesnt try to save it at EoD
theres more, read the post
-he claimed scum technically, it could be a joke, but also its probably deflection and WIFOM, "scum wouldn't claim scum saying they were caught cuz one read"
-keeping his mislynch options open, like when he townread EVERYONE EXCEPT AUSUKA for casing him????
-pocketing, much with TW
-townreading people casing him because it makes it less likely for them to strongly push him
thats the main gist of page 1, probably some more in my wall i forgot to note here, but yeah
let me put the nail in the coffin and seal this game for us, win or lose
what eragon just posted here was scummy and needs death
he is treating irrel as conftown when he is not, and he is doing that while putting zero work in the game this gameday. the self hammer part is senseless to be something he is thinking of doing when he is town, and pointing it out just feels to me like he is adding layers to his scum!eragon AtE. the whole "idgaf" thing just doesn't feel genuine, does it? yeah maybe rl is taking over, it happened to me too, but "honestly idgaf about this game anymore"? why even say that? and now, 102 pages in after so many dead people worked so hard for town to win this. he is gonna say he doesn't give a fuck? I call it scum.
alright if I'm wrong I'm wrong, let's kill eragon and figure it out yes nauci?
ill respond to this post singly because its on the same page rn
Yes i am treating irrel as conf!town until i can do things and get a read, and i am 99% confident they are town, ever since beginning of the game.
isnt the "self-hammer" stuff also senseless as scum? plus the fact i said i would do it but 1. its gamethrowing and 2. nauci/irrel dont deserve it, shows i wasnt really serious, and you pushing over this is reachy AF.
idgaf was perfectly true, and i do believe i explained why i said that, because i had had fun during the game, and didnt want to ruin it in end-game with a bunch of shit/hate
eragon you had toranaga in your towncore along with me for awhile
why did you lose your townread on tora when it became lylo while holding onto your read of me?
If your answer is a variation of "pocketed" please provide examples
I ISO'd both players and especially read around EOD2 and I no longer think it's toranaga
I am back to feeling game solve about it
Some reasons tor is likely town, besides the d1 "bus":
-mentioned tw should have been n1 kill for TMI'ing volxen's lynch (the only townie who could TMI was watcher, so yes tw should have been the kill there) to which eragon replied something like "huh?"
-when eragon/dunn were competing wagons, and eragon was at L-1, Tor went back to dunn first (I think). This would be Tora's second time singlehandedly choosing to lynch a scum partner over a townie
-the number of mislynches in a row implies we were operating on a false assumption; that assumption was not town!toranaga (which developed d2 as a result of toranaga's volxen vote), because we had that in mind when lynching dunnstral. It is more likely town!eragon (which developed d3 as a result of eragon wanting dunnstral dead), because once that settled in we could no longer manage to lynch scum
dunnstral I'm actually flip flopping a lot more than I'm showing so don't give up here
tora if you would do more to show scum!eragon here that would be great
I have uneven amounts of residual astigmatism and bad haloing from lights sources but it's gotten a bit better today so I'm going to take a crack at this because I'm running a fever so can't do housework anyway \o/
After the end of the last, long day, the stranger reappears, holding their hat against their chest.
"Didn't think, with just the four of you, that you'd need so much time, but so it goes. Who shall leave our group this final day?"
Two hands point firmly toward Eragon. After a delay, Eragon points toward Toranaga.
"Well, alright then. Now, come this way, friend, and you can join your teammates."
The stranger leads Eragon away. When they return, they're smiling.
"I think this calls for a celebration. Let's welcome back all the winners, shall we?"
Tables piled with food appear. At the same time, multiple doors open, and Huntress, Ausuka, the worst, northsidegal, Keyser Söze, and Reundo walk through them.
Part of you wants to just go home, but you don't want to turn down free food - and after all, you did "win" - so you stay for a little while. When you finally leave, a gentle high-pitched sound surrounds you, and the building slowly reverts back into the empty, abandoned Wawa. You look down to see you're wearing the same clothes you were the first day. You check for the WW coin, but it's gone...