NO ONE.. NO MERE MORTAL SHALL TOUCH MY FRIEND.In post 114, Not_Mafia wrote:Hey Almost, help me pls, they're picking on me
I mean, COME ON.. it's a mini Normal. Just Town vs Mafia. And he's literally NOT_MAFIA!
NO ONE.. NO MERE MORTAL SHALL TOUCH MY FRIEND.In post 114, Not_Mafia wrote:Hey Almost, help me pls, they're picking on me
Wait in line, buddy. I am not finished..In post 117, Elsa Jay wrote:But I'm no Mere Mortal, Probs50...
VOTE: DVaIn post 120, DVa wrote:It's 5 pages dude
I did mention it in that game. AP = Almost50, YES!In post 136, Sashaddin wrote:Is this an alt-account ?In post 102, DVa wrote:While Sasha is bothering me tonally, I'd really like to see some more pressure on Not_mafia. I do believe he is actually capable of playing the game and we shouldn't just wash our hands of him because he chooses not to most of the time.
Why not try DVa scum who saw fit to push a mislynch on you after the tictac read? If you flip town tictac has no reason to believe DVa is scum with you. amirite?In post 138, Sashaddin wrote:Tictac said he was drawing associations between us, and now you're putting me in the bottom of your list. This doesn't make sense unless one of you is bussing me. So you guys are two lean town for me.
OIC! Moving on...
This is the most recently ended game with N_M. He was a N1 Cop and he nailed scum Carca whom we lynched on D2. Check the date, check his ISO, check anything you like. He's GOOD as both Town AND Scum, so I say we give the guy a chance to scum hunt before we call him useless or anything like that. Do you want me to actually go back to find that game where he was a Vig??In post 174, Auro wrote:Unless the premise (town!Not_Mafia is a great asset to town) is wrong, his reasoning is correct.
I'm not scum, so I won't pretend to have figured it all out in 10 pages and less than 72 hours from the start (let alone less than SIX HOURS from me joining the game).In post 175, DVa wrote:You accuse me of tryharding but WHERE ARE YOUR READS?
Fine. It's my word against yours. I've provided exhinit #1 for the defense. You can produce your exhibit #2 for the DA.In post 176, DVa wrote:yeah except this is categorically untrueIn post 174, Auro wrote:The policy non-lynch on Not_Mafia isn't based on Almost50's personal ability to read him, rather that it's worse to lynch Not_Mafia compared to a lurker because town!Not_Mafia surviving (to a point where he begins to actually play) is very beneficial to town.
Not_Mafia's reads as town are mediocre at best and Almost50's ability to read Not_Mafia is also basically a complete lie
I know he thinks its true, but I have seen him lose games first hand over it
I don't want to say more and am probably going to just replaceout because I don't want to out my main
But basically everything A50 is saying both about A) Not_Mafia and b) His ability to read Not_Mafia is *complete horseshit*
He was on every lynch because N_M likes to be on lynch wagons. That is also his meta. He likes to lolhammer and we are all aware of it too, so nobody puts anyone @L-1 unless we want them lynched (or N_M is already on the wagon).In post 179, DVa wrote:OK, well then *ASK HIM TO SCUMHUNT*
In that game *you linked* the *only* correct read he gave was on Carcalilly. *every other read that was not based on a night_action was WRONG*
You can like his choice of *night actions* but that does not mean his reads are good. Nailing one scum out of three and being on every other mislynch wagon does not make him a reliable player or anywhere near above average.
Stop being manipulative. Did he post 80 posts yet? Did anyone? How long did it take him to get to 80 posts in that game (since the game started)? How long has this game been going?In post 181, DVa wrote:By post 80 he had *shown at least a small modicum of thought* and *reacted to people in the game*
Define LIE. You quoted me saying he was on every lynch in the game, and I've just doubled checked. He was the first vote on Penguin on D1, the first vote on Carac on D2, the 2nd vote on Gamma on D3, and the hammer vote on Spoogh on D4/ So, where is the lie here?In post 187, DVa wrote:This is a lie. He was on almost every wrong wagon on that game relatively early and never did his signature troll quickhammer.In post 185, Almost50 wrote:He was on every lynch because N_M likes to be on lynch wagons.
No, she's not. Anyone who gets so angry over a failed push on page 10 of D1 isn't as good a player as Mr Beans even. I'll just shut up because you asked, but please don't tell me DVa is a good player.In post 189, ofrhz wrote:A50 stop. DVa is a better player than Not Mafia.
*Sigh* If you say so..In post 196, ofrhz wrote:DVa is really good at town and not very good at scum, so what you're doing right now is incredibly anti-town.
How can it be OMGUS when her push is on N_M and not me? I am trying my best to get her to redirect her attention to me still.In post 197, BrightEyedFish wrote:You say you want to lynch scum but this vote is pure OMGUS.
Because ofrhz said so.In post 200, BrightEyedFish wrote:Then why such a quick unvote?In post 199, Almost50 wrote:How can it be OMGUS when her push is on N_M and not me? I am trying my best to get her to redirect her attention to me still.In post 197, BrightEyedFish wrote:You say you want to lynch scum but this vote is pure OMGUS.
N_M is already on the wagon = No quick hammers. You should've left him @L-1 for me to state intent and demand a claim. tictac has just finished a game with me and he knows well this is my playstyle. For better or worse he should've deduced this is NAI at worst.
Because I can't state intent and force a claim from you. You know well that you willIn post 216, tictac wrote:Dunno why ya don't L-1 me yerself, unless what ya actually wanted to to was quickhammer.
Read aboveIn post 217, BrightEyedFish wrote:You know, you could put him back at L-1 yourself
I can't answer this at this time. Sorry.In post 221, Auro wrote:Would still like an answer to this.In post 209, Auro wrote:@A50: What was your motivation in trying to lead DVa into a 1v1? To make you two the leading wagons? Did you want to prove some point, like your claim that town would never lynch you D1
And you buy that? I mean, let's assume for the sake of argument that tic is Town (hint: he's not) and that he wants not one, but TWO policy lynches. Do you think it wise to do that in a 10-players game? Let's do the math:In post 227, Auro wrote:Tac already said he's not interested in lynching anyone outside A50/Not_Mafia. And that too, not because they're his top scumreads, just policy alone. I really wish we all agreed on a course of action there, and moved past that.
Except she does just that all the time.In post 231, Auro wrote:hard to imagine her getting angry and threatening to replace out as scum motivated
FWIW, N_M has already TOWNTOLD for me. I promise I'm not BSing.In post 237, ofrhz wrote:....I feel like this is slightly towny for N_M tbh
pedit: He's nullscum, and I don't have any stronger scumreads, so yes, I'm fine with being on his wagon.
But I hope you did notice I SR the slot (and explicitly said it was scum) whileIn post 245, Auro wrote:Nevermind, I guess he replaced into it and got lynched very soon after so it doesn't count.Auro wrote:@ofrhz, I see you've modded a recent game where scum!NotMafia and town!A50 were lynched and killed in D1, N1.
I'm reading the game right now, but any thoughts you've to offer on the argument?
If he doesn't want TWO players in the game, he can replace out. Isn't that an easier course of action if he really disliked playing with us "both"?In post 254, Auro wrote:Where did he say he wanted *two* PLs? As far as I can see, he doesn't want both in the game, and hence a D1 PL on one of them.
In post 257, ofrhz wrote:Auro, that game is still ongoing, so I can’t talk about it.
Can't talk about that one either. In fact, it's the only way I can tell (and you probably can understand when I say he doesn't have many tells), so outing it at any instant = me not being able to read him anymore in future games.In post 266, Auro wrote:What was Not_Mafia's major towntell to you?
If it's 3 then they are all goons and we have at least 2 TPRs. It's usually 7 v 2 (9 players), 10 vs 3 (13 players). Many of the open setups use 9 vs 3 though (12 players).In post 270, Sashaddin wrote:This is my first 10-player and you're saying 2, so I assume 3 scums is too much for such a little town?In post 265, Elsa Jay wrote:But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?
VGP. *Thumbs Up*In post 273, Elsa Jay wrote:Honestly the Daychat is the biggest tip off for only 2 scum. Theoretically you could balance a 3 v 7 with enough PRs or kill restrictions, but with daychat that goes out the window because it's too valuable of an ability in a 10p.In post 270, Sashaddin wrote:This is my first 10-player and you're saying 2, so I assume 3 scums is too much for such a little town?In post 265, Elsa Jay wrote:But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?
Could you .. like .. use their usernames instead of thei nicknames? Cuz I really really get confused about hwom you're referring to most of the time.In post 282, Not_Mafia wrote:Fugu and What are scum
He said Fugu and What. That's 2 people.In post 285, Elsa Jay wrote:I just assume he's talking about DoLittle every time. It's easier on my brain.
My readlist sheet is a mess. I have red dots and green dots all over against most names. If I'm impartial (i.e. putting aside my gut) I would say Elsa is the towniest slot here. That said I know he is a cunning player and especially so as scum, so that worries me, but not too much (yet)In post 319, ofrhz wrote:A50 have your reads moved at all?
In other words: Voting "Showtime" counts as a vote on "DrDolitte" unless there's someone with a "Scarface" avatar. Correct?In post 326, DrDolittle wrote:
"Fugu is the fish guy" if there are more than two avatars with fish. NOT OK
Be my guestIn post 338, Clemency wrote:mind if i steal that for my signature woweeIn post 336, Almost50 wrote: Clemency is a mystery to me. He feels like a cold-blooded assassin is some sense. He looks pretty calm, maintaining a poker-face all the time I can't get through. But I literally have no case against him.
Didi it ever occur to you that I might be a lie-detector and and explicit claim is exactly what I would have wanted to verify?? Would you call that a scum-motivated thought?In post 340, Auro wrote:In fact, I actually think there's higher scum motivation (unless scum with tictac) in letting the ITH + Claim happen on tictac at that stage. If you were impartial to your own agenda at that time, wouldn't you agree?
No. In the two examples I gave you I would argue that for ANY slot in the game at all. Push someone to claim and I lie-detect to verify and that'd be that. OR, make someone commit to a claim that could probably be CC'd or proven false by the N1 NK flip.In post 352, Auro wrote:So you could argue this for any slot you individually scumread, yes?
*Scratches Head* If this is your scum list, then I would be 100% for lynching you! Honest! Are you telling me Sasha & BEF are the only 2 slots you TR????In post 376, Carmen wrote:Auro
ofrhz
Almost50
Clemency
Not_Mafia
Elsa Jay
Well, that's a start for a scumlist. Still have reservations on removing DVa but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
Let's start here.
VOTE: Elsa Jay
Hmmm.. ok.. but let it be known that I don't explicitly TR either of your 2 locktowns either. Neither is even in my top 3 reads for town! And I find it even more confusing that your bottom 2 are actually my top 2!!!!In post 380, Carmen wrote:Nope, but those are my two "locktowns", so to speak. There are a few names up there that I townread more and a few that I scumread more. I just feel like getting a few personal interactions in myself before I make such a drastic change as taking someone's name off of a list. You understand, don't you?
That's when.In post 253, Almost50 wrote:FWIW, N_M has already TOWNTOLD for me. I promise I'm not BSing.In post 237, ofrhz wrote:....I feel like this is slightly towny for N_M tbh
pedit: He's nullscum, and I don't have any stronger scumreads, so yes, I'm fine with being on his wagon.
So use your skills to read the readable of the two. Do you have questions for me?In post 390, Sashaddin wrote:My town reads are DVa, Elsa Jay, Carmen and Clemency, without order.
I have a slight town lean on Auro.
No scum yet despite reading again and again, but it could be in the duo A50-N_M because I didn't even go there since it appears they are not considered for today. And because one of them is unreadable.
I'll respond in bits:In post 395, Sashaddin wrote:3. Your opinion of the Tictac slot hasn't changed when Clemency came in, you're still suspicious (379).
4. In 130 and 336 you have me as town, then town lean. In 381I'm implicitly not town anymore.
I won't directly respond to these, but instead let me tell you a shot story: Check this out. I was s sub-in and I acted a s Town Leader and we won on D1. This was the game directly after the AP game we shared.In post 395, Sashaddin wrote:1-a) Was it your intention to be a leader in this game or was it the N_M thing that got you to the front?
1-b) What about Day 2 and your lynching potential?
OK.In post 395, Sashaddin wrote:2-Not a question, but if you see a tell like this in me just tell me please
2-a) Will you defend N_M to the last day since you're persuaded he's town?
Because then I would need someone else to state intent in order to get that claim. Sometimes you sit on a wagon too long and the player stalls based on "nobody stated intent" so it's useless. I'm not putting Carmen @L-1 for the sake of it. I want to get a claim from this specific slot. Carmen could even save us all the trouble (and some time) by claiming now.In post 395, Sashaddin wrote:3-a) You don't like that slot with either player in it, why aren't you putting it at L-1 (since M_M is on it)?
4-a) Why? What did I do?
In post 409, BrightEyedFish wrote:Clem und Elsa = Scum
So, both are scum so you opt to vote the one with no wagon on them and refrain from putting the one with the wagon @L-1?? DVa sure has this one right I guess.
Tell me more.In post 421, BrightEyedFish wrote:I'm 100% sure EJ is not town
Share a fact with us then. Humour us, mate.In post 424, BrightEyedFish wrote:d reasoning? I'm not sharing that view.
In post 425, Clemency wrote:are you trying to get hammered?
OK, so since I'm -obviously- drawing a link between the two, I'd say this is SvS which translates:In post 426, BrightEyedFish wrote:Hammer me and we go down 0-2 instead of 1-1
Trying to remedy the situation after the fact?In post 428, BrightEyedFish wrote:That's assuming Scum gets town with a nk