Mini Normal 2040: Day 4

[Almost50]

@A50: What was your motivation in trying to lead DVa into a 1v1? To make you two the leading wagons? Did you want to prove some point, like your claim that town would never lynch you D1

Would still like an answer to this.

I can't answer this at this time. Sorry.

[Almost50]

Tac already said he's not interested in lynching anyone outside A50/Not_Mafia. And that too, not because they're his top scumreads, just policy alone. I really wish we all agreed on a course of action there, and moved past that.

And you buy that? I mean, let's assume for the sake of argument that tic is Town (hint: he's not) and that he wants not one, but TWO policy lynches. Do you think it wise to do that in a 10-players game? Let's do the math:

2 mislynches (Policy Lynch =/= Scum Lynch) + 2 NKs and we are already at MyLo (assuming 2 scums) or have lost (assuming 3 scums). I'll go for 2 scums bc I don't think a mini normal would give you only one mislynch before you are in LyLo/MyLo.

Now tell me, do you think this is a pro-town proposition?

[Almost50]

hard to imagine her getting angry and threatening to replace out as scum motivated

Except she does just that all the time.

[Almost50]

VOTE: tictac

DVa might be the dullest player of all time

....I feel like this is slightly towny for N_M tbh

pedit: He's nullscum, and I don't have any stronger scumreads, so yes, I'm fine with being on his wagon.

FWIW, N_M has already TOWNTOLD for me. I promise I'm not BSing.

[Auro]

he wants not one, but TWO policy lynches

Does he? I just read through his ISO and he says this:

Both of these player in a game means day1 has to be a policy 4 the game to have any meaning.

Where did he say he wanted *two* PLs? As far as I can see, he doesn't want both in the game, and hence a D1 PL on one of them.

[Almost50]

@ofrhz, I see you've modded a recent game where scum!NotMafia and town!A50 were lynched and killed in D1, N1.

I'm reading the game right now, but any thoughts you've to offer on the argument?

Nevermind, I guess he replaced into it and got lynched very soon after so it doesn't count.

But I hope you did notice I SR the slot (and explicitly said it was scum) while

also

stating I won't vote N_M, but the town can do it w/o me. Right?

Here, the only difference is I'm NOT letting the town mislynch N_M if I could help it at all. N_M is TOWN in this game.

[DrDolittle]

vote count 1.05

Day 1, Vote Count 5

tictac

(4) : Clemency, BrightEyedFish, ofrhz, Not_Mafia

(L-2)

Not_Mafia

(2) : DVa, Elsa Jay

Auro

(1) : tictac

DVa

(0) :

Almost50

(0) :

Elsa Jay

(0) :

orfhz

(0) :

BrightEyedFish

(0) :

Clemency

(0) :

Sashaddin

(0) :

Not voting:

: Almost50, Auro, Sashaddin

with 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

day one will end with no lynch in (expired on 2018-11-09 19:00:00)

[ofrhz]

Auro, that game is still ongoing, so I can’t talk about it.

[ofrhz]

A50.... zzz

[Auro]

But I hope you did notice I SR the slot (and explicitly said it was scum) while also stating I won't vote N_M, but the town can do it w/o me. Right?

I did. I tried to quote it into here, but wasn't able to. I didn't doubt that you were lying about policy not-lynching anyway, tho - hence my lack of a scumread on you for it.

Pedit: @ofrhz, crap, hadn't noticed. Okay.

[Almost50]

Where did he say he wanted *two* PLs? As far as I can see, he doesn't want both in the game, and hence a D1 PL on one of them.

If he doesn't want TWO players in the game, he can replace out. Isn't that an easier course of action if he really disliked playing with us "both"?

I am here because Elsa wanted me to play with him, as we like pitting our wits against each other. (His charm vs my trickery to be precise). I checked the player list and saw N_M, ofrhz (both of whom I know well), as well as Sasha, BEFm and -gulp- tictac (all of whom I've played with recently). I didn't know tictac hates me, and I sure as hell didn't know DVa was on tunnel mode. (I apologize to both you and Clemency, but I don't know you guys. It's not like I didn't want to play with you, but more like I neither was for nor against it because I literally do not recognize either of you)

But I might have confused something DVa said for a tictac quote?? OH, well.. my point still stands. DVa isn't scum hunting and now tictac is joining her in that. If we don't want the game to become bipolar we need to find us some common ground.

@Elsa: See? This is part of why I hate smaller games. People trying to get smart = an instant loss. Sometimes it's just a bad town move and sometimes it's scum-drive, but the result is always the same: No time for one to use his brain, and not time for someone elsa to show off their survival skills.

[DrDolittle]

Please do not discuss ongoing games. Site rules have a blanket ban against such discussions. Thanks.

[Clemency]

i'm not surprised you don't know me seeing as i don't really play much

[Almost50]

Auro, that game is still ongoing, so I can’t talk about it.

Is it? F to the limit!! He talked about it band assumed he double checked!

[DVa]

....I feel like this is slightly towny for N_M tbh

While I see your PoV here, I don't think that going from a wagon that he failed to keep A50 on board for, and instead joining the leading wagon that is a counter-wagon to himself, is particularly towny. If N_M is scum, he knows A50 will commit to any counter-wagon other than himself due to the explicitly stated metagame reasons.

I will say that not continuing to tunnel me does show 1% thought, but he's far from the 5% thought I would expect from town!N_M

Anyway basically going to actively avoid this thread for today and probably tomorrow if I can help it. I have too much other irl shit to do to continue to be pissed at this thread all day and I need more content from several people anyway.

[Elsa Jay]

Unfortunate you still dont see the beauty of smaller games, but i accept you got your own taste.

But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?

[Auro]

If he doesn't want TWO players in the game, he can replace out. Isn't that an easier course of action if he really disliked playing with us "both"?

What's odd to me is that he said he would've anyway, except DVa argued against this and that's keeping him. I can see scum motivation in sheeping DVa to an extent of "I would've already gone; if she goes I go" and advocating for a policy lynch while carrying a lack of interest to scumhunt anywhere else. If Not_Mafia is ML'd, we can't really go deep into his justification for voting.

What was Not_Mafia's major towntell to you?

I saw the thread was locked and hence assumed it was finished, sorry >_< I'll be a lot more careful next time.

[Almost50]

What was Not_Mafia's major towntell to you?

Can't talk about that one either. In fact, it's the only way I can tell (and you probably can understand when I say he doesn't have many tells), so outing it at any instant = me not being able to read him anymore in future games.

I understand that you may choose not to believe this (or at least not take it into account) based on there being no substantial evidence of there being a tell in the first place, but that's as mush as I can offer you for now.

[DrDolittle]

Seeking Replacement for tictac.

[Elsa Jay]

Seeking Replacement for tictac.

... We actually chased him out the game. He REALLY didn't want to deal with our shit.

[Sashaddin]

But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?

This is my first 10-player and you're saying 2, so I assume 3 scums is too much for such a little town?

[Sashaddin]

2 mislynches (Policy Lynch =/= Scum Lynch) + 2 NKs and we are already at MyLo (assuming 2 scums) or have lost (assuming 3 scums). I'll go for 2 scums bc I don't think a mini normal would give you only one mislynch before you are in LyLo/MyLo.

Found this later, sorry for the previous question.

[Almost50]

But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?

This is my first 10-player and you're saying 2, so I assume 3 scums is too much for such a little town?

If it's 3 then they are all goons and we have at least 2 TPRs. It's usually 7 v 2 (9 players), 10 vs 3 (13 players). Many of the open setups use 9 vs 3 though (12 players).

[Elsa Jay]

But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?

This is my first 10-player and you're saying 2, so I assume 3 scums is too much for such a little town?

Honestly the Daychat is the biggest tip off for only 2 scum. Theoretically you could balance a 3 v 7 with enough PRs or kill restrictions, but with daychat that goes out the window because it's too valuable of an ability in a 10p.

[Almost50]

But for the sake of consistency, let's just assume we have 2 scum ATM and look for pairs. Seems fine for now right?

This is my first 10-player and you're saying 2, so I assume 3 scums is too much for such a little town?

Honestly the Daychat is the biggest tip off for only 2 scum. Theoretically you could balance a 3 v 7 with enough PRs or kill restrictions, but with daychat that goes out the window because it's too valuable of an ability in a 10p.

VGP. *Thumbs Up*