Mini Normal 2040: Day 4

[Carmen]

Well from your "observation", who's the 3 most likely scum ATM?

whatever answer i could give you would be disingenuous because i don't believe it possible to tell the intentions of people off of this little information

This is +town indicative most of the time.

[Carmen]

You're trying to make sense of NotMaf. That was your first mistake.

After a quick look at his meta, I see that...

Town.

[Auro]

Didi it ever occur to you that I might be a lie-detector and and explicit claim is exactly what I would have wanted to verify?? Would you call that a scum-motivated thought?

I could come up with dozens of other motives. How about forcing a suspect to commit to a claim early on before they had a chance to gather more info about the setup? Is forcing "potential" scum to commit to a fake claim in a rash a scum-driven motive?

Anyway, the problem I have with this is, again, that he's potentially very scum to

you

. Weakly scum for a couple of people. (At that time)
So you could argue this for any slot you individually scumread, yes?

I don't think that's really

individually

alignment indicative per se.
To a third party who doesn't strong scumread tictac, though, I think it's reasonable to let this happen when town consensus scumreads tictac enough (instead of a single external scumread), given the time we have.

[Almost50]

So you could argue this for any slot you individually scumread, yes?

No. In the two examples I gave you I would argue that for ANY slot in the game at all. Push someone to claim and I lie-detect to verify and that'd be that. OR, make someone commit to a claim that could probably be CC'd or proven false by the N1 NK flip.

[Carmen]

Auro: I don't know them.
ofrhz: Town unless scum (you know what I mean )
Almost50: That's me, and anyone who votes me gets the death penalty (plus will have to treat me to a dinner at a restaurant of my choice afterwards)
BrightEyedFish: He can be Town, unless he posts in the wrong thread.
Clemency: I don't know them.
DVa: Although I don't know them, they gave me a look I didn't like when I first walked in. KILL THIS!
Not_Mafia: Obviously TOWN by virtue of being Not_Mafia. I mena, the mod says this is Not_Mafia, so who am I to argue. Right?
Elsa Jay: I always confuse the two. They have the same hair cut Let's just say this is the survivor, although I know in a mini-normal there are no survivors. Just let him end game though.
Sashaddin: Let's talk about this, but not yet about that. Ya feel? Town for now.
tictac: I prefer KitKat, but I'll give him a pass on the basis he's refreshing.

So, granted that you don't know Auro or Clemency, what is your first impression of them? The question isn't "do you know people" it's "who is scum"? And so far the only person you have called scum is me, for observing that your obnoxious 'reading' post was obnoxious.

You also seem to be suggesting a policy "not lynch" on not_mafia for entirely joke reasons. Why should we read Not_Mafia as town in this game based on what he is actually doing in this game?

I think it's pretty obvious that he's joking and I think it takes a specific kind of mindset to not notice that. Starting to scumread DVa here.

[Auro]

@A50: Then that makes my conclusion stronger. My argument here's against you noting my unvote as maybe anti-town.

[Carmen]

Tictac said he was drawing associations between us, and now you're putting me in the bottom of your list. This doesn't make sense unless one of you is bussing me. So you guys are two lean town for me.

Why not try DVa scum who saw fit to push a mislynch on you after the tictac read? If you flip town tictac has no reason to believe DVa is scum with you. amirite?

In my plan B on my Excel sheet I was actually thinking BOTH of them were scum

Town.

[Carmen]

So, tictac:
- Fakevotes for Trebor in 20.
- Switches vote for me in 34, doesn't cite a reason.
- When asked, says "borderline posting - avoiding total nullposts but not giving content either" in 53.
- Doesn't respond to my post 61, where I try to engage him on his complaint.
- Slips mention of a scumchat, and when asked, talks about pregame chat.
- Finally responds on my vote when ofrhz points out the unfairness of it, in 88.

The lack of direct engagement with his biggest scumread (me), and his over-justified reasoning/replies ping me as scummy.
That he responded when someone else said it was unfair.

VOTE: tictac

I believe tictac is at L-2 now.

Nah.

Not a huge fan of Auro so far but I can't tell if it's a tone thing or not where he'd always be that way, even as town.

[Carmen]

But Meta is

always

a factor, DVa. You can look at just this game, but you don't get the whole picture.

Me and Almost have personal experience with NotMaf. When you have experience with a player, you look at everything when reading them, meta and past personal experience included.

Personal experience tells me not to bother day 1 and instead go for other sources.

Why are you arguing against NM's policy lynch... while voting him?

[Elsa Jay]

Because I want to have my vote somewhere, so I'm putting it there to say I disapprove of NotMaf's methods.

[Carmen]

Interesting strategy. You wouldn't rather have your vote on, say, a scumread?

[Elsa Jay]

I was gonna, but then it got to L-2 amazingly fast.

[Sashaddin]

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

Your signature should be:
1...e4 2...Ke2

??

[DVa]

@DVa: You've mentioned twice that I'm "tonally" off from before, If you want to tell me why (after this game) I would appreciate it, because I can't see what I'm doing differently here.

I don't need to wait for post-game

This is you in 2038:

VOTE: Doughboy

hmm i do like the golfball in your avatar

I like golf, a lot.

It's been 21 years and I still hate Sephiroth for killing Aerith (Aeris)

UNVOTE: Doughboy

VOTE: Sephiroth

UNVOTE: Sephiroth
VOTE: AP
suspiciousness > evilness

this is you here:

Let's fastwagon the chewy bastard!

OOOOOh! A wagon! *Stomp*

VOTE: Trebor

Mod notes: Not sure who Trebor is, so these votes are ignored.

I didn't know either, I just like jumping on a wagon!

Have you played with people from different time-zones before?
Don't you think this accusation is *way* too

early

to make

Not in my time zone!

Ba-doom-boom-tish!

like you're tonally different, I think that's objectively true. It doesn't make you scum, but in 2038 you seem to be taking rvs seriously while sorting, whereas here you seem to be just kinda having fun and joking around. Maybe you're just loosening up or feeling better about your play, but it means you don't read the same way you do as you do in your completed town.

[Sashaddin]

For what it's worth, I find Carmen way more towny than Tictac right now. But Tictac was pissed...

[Auro]

@Sash: What about Carmen's posts appear towny to you? I'm not quite seeing it.

[DVa]

I think it's pretty obvious that he's joking and I think it takes a specific kind of mindset to not notice that. Starting to scumread DVa here.

while 130 is a readlist with jokes, I do not agree that the reads list as a whole was a joke or that the specific reads of auro and clemency were jokes. A50 is fully capable of analyzing players he's unfamiliar with so having him so exclusively rely on meta here was jarring, even if I know meta is pretty important for his process. doesn't make him scum but I was trying to get him into the game and move him out of overrelying on meta if he is town which should make him easier to sort either way

[Sashaddin]

I don't need to wait for post-game

Thank you for answering!

Maybe I'm more confident because I think I got better! Seeing a lot of familiar names did indeed made me looser, I felt this was since the beginning.
In any case, you can read me better than I can myself!

[Clemency]

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

Your signature should be:
1...e4 2...Ke2

??

are you talking shit about the ultimate forbidden technique
the undefeated strategem
the infallible Bongcloud?

[Sashaddin]

@Sash: What about Carmen's posts appear towny to you? I'm not quite seeing it.

The duo 258-260 and the analysis leading to his previous reads. But to be fair, I did not find Tictac too towny either, I had him null until I asked and Clem answered.

[Sashaddin]

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

mind if i steal that for my signature wowee

Your signature should be:
1...e4 2...Ke2

??

are you talking shit about the ultimate forbidden technique
the undefeated strategem
the infallible Bongcloud?

Yes I am
impossible
Light it up bro!

[Clemency]

@Sashaddin
https://lichess.org/kCESMSTO

[Carmen]

I think it's pretty obvious that he's joking and I think it takes a specific kind of mindset to not notice that. Starting to scumread DVa here.

while 130 is a readlist with jokes, I do not agree that the reads list as a whole was a joke or that the specific reads of auro and clemency were jokes. A50 is fully capable of analyzing players he's unfamiliar with so having him so exclusively rely on meta here was jarring, even if I know meta is pretty important for his process. doesn't make him scum but I was trying to get him into the game and move him out of overrelying on meta if he is town which should make him easier to sort either way

I doubt that he even read the thread at that point. His comments on Auro and Clemency were statements of fact, yes, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the post wasn't a joke or was meant to be an actual readslist.

[Carmen]

For the record, I don't plan on pushing you today. I may be overthinking things to see you as scum when it comes to your whole argument in the A50 / NM thing, along with a few other reasons not to push you for now that I don't care to elaborate on.

[Carmen]

@NM
Why fugu?

Fugu