Mini Normal 2040: Day 4

[BrightEyedFish]

i mean does it? it just feels like he's taking everything really out of context
how does this help our case

Our case?

[Clemency]

well yeah, it's not like it's been me or elsa alone here

[Clemency]

also i've been watching a lot of better call saul ok

[Elsa Jay]

i mean does it? it just feels like he's taking everything really out of context
how does this help our case

He's experiencing it all at real time like we did. If he read it all at once his thoughts would be different. Trust me, this is good for Town.

[BrightEyedFish]

Scumslip?

[Almost50]

OK. This is a juicy claim. We have different routes to take here. I still think it should be BEF who gets lynched, because the 1v1 comments is like him saying "I'm going down anyway, so taking a townie down with me and I'd get lynched on D2 for it anyway". He's probably also baiting a CC, so if it hasn't been done yet DO NOT CC if you are an investigative. (I'm still 5 pages behind, unfortunately).

[Clemency]

Scumslip?

ah yes because i'm infamous for being exceedingly careful with my wording

[Almost50]

Like, Day Cop is a HUGE advantage for the town. If it's true then scum must have a GF. I can't see a Day Cop in a 10-players setup. Not on MS anyway.

[Almost50]

if you really are a daycop and this is how you've decided to lay out your claim, this is a half-step from gamethrowing

What good would I be if I got lynched on D1?

At least now we either lynch me or EJ. If EJ goes down, 1 less scum to worry about, if I go down then EJ goes tomorrow after I'm confirmed.

Let's go back to this:

Hammer me and we go down 0-2 instead of 1-1

And then this:

That's assuming Scum gets town with a nk

How does this make any sense? What does "assuming Scum gets town with a nk"? Do you expect scum to .. erm.. holster? Shoot themselves?? Do you think a Doctor -if existent- would save the kill? If so, how? Because if you are indeed a Day Cop, then the Doctor should 100% be on you, which means scum can shoot anywhere else and their kill will go through.

Nothing computes here. Everything returns <bad command or filename>

The ONE explanation I would have probably excused you for would have been DOCTOR. But that also necessitated that you would actually TOWN READ Clemency, not SR him. In that scenario, you are confident in EJ being scum, and are saying Clemency will be shot tonight unless you protect him. That

obviously

wasn't/isn't the case because you had already stated a SR on Clemency at that time, so explain the 0-2 instead of 1-1 to me like I'm 3 y.o.

[Almost50]

best part is you didn't even need to try this half-baked attempt at a defense because the point of the wagon wasn't to get you lynched, it was to get you to talk
we've got what, like 9 days left?

"You ruined us. I was just going with the town and anything you said would have given me the chance to hop off the wagon. Anything but this nonsense!"

[Clemency]

best part is you didn't even need to try this half-baked attempt at a defense because the point of the wagon wasn't to get you lynched, it was to get you to talk
we've got what, like 9 days left?

"You ruined us. I was just going with the town and anything you said would have given me the chance to hop off the wagon. Anything but this nonsense!"

if i wanted off the wagon i'd be off the wagon

[Almost50]

That doesn’t make sense. If you were quickhammered, which I don’t think anyone besides not mafia would do and he’s already on your wagon, and you really flipped day cop, your flip would confirm your investigation result, so that still doesn’t explain why you claimed?

EXACTLY!

Says "I'm 100% sure EJ is scum" --> Get hammered --> flips Day Cop, and my nice (who's 11 yer old) can deduce he checked EJ. That's why PRs crumb their results on early days.

[Almost50]

That means any other PR will only be NK'd out of dumb scum luck if they don't choose me.

How many PRs do you expect us to have in a 10-players game? I'd say a maximum of 2, and the other being a protective if there's a Cop.

[Almost50]

That doesn’t make sense. If you were quickhammered, which I don’t think anyone besides not mafia would do and he’s already on your wagon, and you really flipped day cop, your flip would confirm your investigation result, so that still doesn’t explain why you claimed?

Here is my thought for how my claim benefits town.

We now know EJ is anti-town.

My claim makes me a perfect NK for scum unless they have a better option.

That means any other PR will only be NK'd out of dumb scum luck if they don't choose me.

I don't see how this is so hard.
EJ is anti-town, don't let it get anymore twisted.

Lynch EJ.

You keep saying "anti-town" a LOT. What is that? What is the exact wording you get for your results? Is it "Town/Anti Town"??

[Auro]

best part is you didn't even need to try this half-baked attempt at a defense because the point of the wagon wasn't to get you lynched, it was to get you to talk
we've got what, like 9 days left?

"You ruined us. I was just going with the town and anything you said would have given me the chance to hop off the wagon. Anything but this nonsense!"

Why wouldn't he say this in the scum PT tho? Saying it in the main thread doesn't seem helpful to him at all..

[Auro]

are you trying to get hammered?

Hammer me and we go down 0-2 instead of 1-1

OK, so since I'm -obviously- drawing a link between the two, I'd say this is SvS which translates:
- Are you trying to get yourself lynched?
- No. I'm trying to establish a connection between you and EJ, so if I get lynched you are safe and if you get lynched EJ follows (1v1), but if you are the one hammering me then it's likely it will backfire and you will follow (0-2).

Really can't see this as a TvT exchange, this alone is enough to keep my vote on BEF.

[DVa]

When was the last time there was a real "day-anything" in a normal game.

I've looked through like 15 and found exactly 0 examples. Vengeful is the closest it gets.

It's not listed as explicitly normal in the guidelines, and I don't think a non-explicitly normal role would make it into this setup.

I mean, beyond BEF obviously being fake, I'm not even sure the role is even possible in this ruleset. I thought dayvigs were jokes.

Now, the question for me is whether BEF being obviously fake makes him scum or flailing VT. I almost want to say VT here? I'm not locked on that though, and in any case we have learned that he's willing to generate a hilarious amount of wifom about his role.

Also wondering whether we should clarify what exactly Elsa's role said since that is much more likely to actually be real

[Almost50]

I'm at the top of page 22. I see Elsa's CC. I regret not having here earlier for that NOT to happen.

So, EJ: Do you get your results as Town/Not Town, Scum/Not Scum, Mafia/Not_Mafia (pun intended ), Town/Anti-Town, or what? Give me the exact phrase you get.

[Clemency]

Now, the question for me is whether BEF being obviously fake makes him scum or flailing VT. I almost want to say VT here? I'm not locked on that though, and in any case we have learned that he's willing to generate a hilarious amount of wifom about his role.

why are you trying to give him leeway?

[Almost50]

OK.. here come the crazy part in my brain: What if BEF is a Mafia DAY ROLE COP? He got lucky hitting EJ with a PR, decided to get him lynched, and he would be guaranteed to live through the night to provide a second result to his p before he goes down. Does this make any sense?

[Almost50]

I need to go get a quick bite, but I'll be back ASAP. 15 min max.



Don't go away. I'll be back soon with another cartoon. Haha hahaaha.. haha hahaaha .. hahahahahaha

[Clemency]

this is really gonna go on into the night, huh

[DVa]

why are you trying to give him leeway?

I've read enough games to know that VTs losing their shit is pretty common

I'm not saying I'm 100% on him not being scum here, it's certainly possible, I'm just thinking through which is more likely. I mean we basically wagoned him as a reaction test (or I did at least), he could have claimed daycop as a counter-reaction test. VTs pretty commonly do something exaggerated to give their one big top final read. "I'm masons with X!" "I'm cop with a guilty on Y!" They're usually wrong, but this does kinda fit the MO of a flailing VT giving their one final read. I think the reason they do it that way is *because they're VT, they know they're a safe mislynch, so why not just go for it?*

Of course it's fake, and I don't think there's basically any chance there's a true mechanical 1v1 between him and Elsa.

idk I'll have to think about it some more. I'm not saying this is dramatically outside BEF's MO as scum either, I'm just saying I can kinda see him doing this as a VT too.

[Almost50]

If He's scum: he knows if mafia is informed or not, and if there's no real Daycop his partner wont waste a shot on me because at that point he KNOWS I'm lying.

OK. Remind me to kill you post game, please!

[Almost50]

no seriously read the rest of the posts this is very unnecessary and you're putting a lot of stuff out of context for everyone

I always do my catch ups like this. It gives me the feeling that I'm reading this stuff in real time.