Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[ruru]

no

I'm

done wit hthis game I'm so done with this game that I spam random letters to ofrhz on discord like every day

[skitter30]

yeah i started doing that in the n5 start pm too

that's part of the reason why i think i'm just townreading you - you feel a lot more emotional/real/raw (idk the right word exactly) than in the newbie; you were a lot more composed/methodological if that makes sense

[skitter30]

and i didn't get a good vibe/handle on enigma in the pyp game; it's harder for me to form those meta reads / mental pictures of playstyle from that side of things

and cold meta is ok but it's different from like ... actually playing with someone and remember what they did at various stages of the game and knowing all the context etc

[ruru]

so I'm thinking about the case where someone above alonzo was investigative

n3 scum shoot the townier claim
n4 scum shoot alonzo, then he doesn't have to give an inno d5

it really only costs scum if his claim is believable enough that scum shoot him first and give the real pr an extra night

interestingly rb is the only role for which this is true

[ruru]

there's still the issue that if bujaber gets lynched like the game, alonzo is forced to shoot an investigative, but mysteriously survive until lylo, where he probably should and will get autolynched

that situation is still distinctly different from this one because scum don't benefit all that much from shooting me+alonzo in this one.

[skitter30]

I read those like four times and i dont get it

Ok i want to read alonzo's iso tofay at some point and then i think ill be ready to vote

Right now im basically trying to figure out how annoyed ill be if i lynch town!enigma after defending him all game

[ofrhz]

Are you guys still doing okay? Do you need a VC?

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 6.2

Not Voting (4):

Alonzo, ruru, Enigma, skitter30

With

4

alive, it takes

3

to kill.
Day 6 ends in (expired on 2018-11-12 15:30:00)

Other:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays

Have a VC anyway

[ruru]

so I'm thinking about the case where someone above alonzo was investigative

n3 scum shoot the townier claim
n4 scum shoot alonzo, then he doesn't have to give an inno d5

it really only costs scum if his claim is believable enough that scum shoot him first and give the real pr an extra night

interestingly rb is the only role for which this is true

this is about the case where bujaber isn't lynched and there's one investigative above alonzo

there's still the issue that if bujaber gets lynched like the game, alonzo is forced to shoot an investigative, but mysteriously survive until lylo, where he probably should and will get autolynched

that situation is still distinctly different from this one because scum don't benefit all that much from shooting me+alonzo in this one.

this is about the case where bujaber is lynched and there's one investigative above alonzo

[Enigma]

Hi, I'm not the last scum and it really sucks in this position. Let me respond to a few of the quotes you have

[Enigma]

The speed at which the CJ wagon formed is a bit off putting .. the VCA will be interesting if/when he flips

CJ and NWMM are so contentless I can barely make a read, and I don't even know if CJ has read the whole thread yet ...
Reading Open 733 where CJ was scum (with tw), CJ actually (pretends) to scumhunt a bit, actively pushes mislynches, and interacts with the gamestate. Open 725 is a bit of a mess to read, but CJ feels also a bit more actively driving lynches (and he was bussing his partner AP).

Maybe part of why I'm hesitant, in addition to CJ simply having zero content, is a lack of CJ voting on someone so far and advancing the game state. I've also mislynched CJ in other games, partly because he was lurky and didn't get a chance to defend himself. But I've also seen town CJ defend himself as the lynch target when he was more active.

So meta wise I don't quite see the picture on CJ.

meh

Even now, I look at the ISO of CJV/NM/MWNN and I still don't see how others called him as scum. And this is kinda useless because there is a complete lack of content to look for associations from that slot. Props off to tw for accurately calling CJV scum-meta.

[Enigma]

VOTE: NM
Trollylololol

HURT: duck

this vote did come out of nowhere tho

Not really I would have voted anywhere and I really didn't care who I voted at that point. The trollylolol is in reference to a game where town!NM got town!me mislynched by fake claiming cop results on me and I was still kinda sour at him for that.

[Enigma]

I kinda feel like the mod scum took has to be between day talk and traitor? As I understand from the flips, both of the group scum have been lynched as goons and without mods. Now these were the two slots that got to decide on the mods, keeping in mind that they do/did not know who the traitor is/was pregame. Why would they give scum PR mods to the traitor rather than themselves? BP/JOAT/RC is useless for traitor as a single mod.

this feels weird, idk why

This is just me trying to be mechanical and realising I don't understand how the game works :/

[Enigma]

I'm still kinda confused who is scum at this stage. I'm inclined to think ruru and skitter are town because of the TR I've had with them all the time, but also because they kinda think each other are more likely to be town as well ... But then this leaves Alonzo where the night actions make sense wrt to him being scum, but it is such a shitty play to fake claim and NK that as he said he is too "basic" to do that

[Enigma]

and i didn't get a good vibe/handle on enigma in the pyp game; it's harder for me to form those meta reads / mental pictures of playstyle from that side of things

and cold meta is ok but it's different from like ... actually playing with someone and remember what they did at various stages of the game and knowing all the context etc

That's because you were scum playing me the whole time and were more focused in pulling the wool over my eyes for the whole game
btw, are you doing the same here?

[ruru]

does traitor get to see the scum pt after both goons die?

[Enigma]

does traitor get to see the scum pt after both goons die?

Is this for me bc I barely know how this set up works... I think we've established that. Apparently the recruited traitor flips as a goon, you cant choose who gets mods, etc etc.

[Alonzo]

How do you feel you've played in this one ruru?

[skitter30]

this is about the case where bujaber is lynched and there's one investigative above alonzo

i can't tell if this hypothetical is for scum!alonzo or town!alonzo

[skitter30]

and i didn't get a good vibe/handle on enigma in the pyp game; it's harder for me to form those meta reads / mental pictures of playstyle from that side of things

and cold meta is ok but it's different from like ... actually playing with someone and remember what they did at various stages of the game and knowing all the context etc

That's because you were scum playing me the whole time and were more focused in pulling the wool over my eyes for the whole game
btw, are you doing the same here?

nah

[skitter30]

i skimmed alonzo's iso and between the two i just feel like enigma's is a townier iso
it feels more sincere and real to me

off of associatives i don't think it's enigma but that's only a valid assumption if last scum isn't traitor and that's not a thing that i actually know to be true

[Alonzo]

The thing is Skitter if you truly believe that you are one of two things.

Wrong about ruru

Or the deepscum we are all looking for.

[skitter30]

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

An old and storied tradition.

so as far as i can tell, brass has never done ye olde 'vote your buddy in rvs' thing

[skitter30]

he's also literally never completed a scumgame; as far as i can tell he replaced out of all of them

[skitter30]

The thing is Skitter if you truly believe that you are one of two things.

Wrong about ruru

Or the deepscum we are all looking for.

yeah i'm not very certain rn

i'm kinda stuck because i don't know how to use associatives and i keep forgetting that there may or may not be a traitor